Game has only been live for 30 hours and Eurogamer has decided to put up a review already, this site is extremely unprofessional, that is not enough for any game
im starting to think Tasos had a point when he went mad at Eurogamer
After a week playing a Chanter in the open beta for Aion: The Tower of Eternity, NCsoft's new MMO, this sequence of key-presses is hard-coded into the muscle memory my left hand. I can tap it out on a table-top, the rhythm steady, urgent yet patient, hitting every skill's cooldown on the nose. Not a second or a mana point wasted. 2, 2, 3, 3, 5, 2, 3, 4, 5."
Well, in his defence, the game didn't change that much from OB to release. At least, not in the area he seems to have the most gripes with. On the other hand, his issues with the combat are hilarious.
In the PvE game everybody is looking for the optimal setup of keystrokes that will leave little gap between abilities. I don't recall any other game that works any differently in solo PvE. Perhaps he was expecting an innovation there? Who knows. Thing is, all MMOs work exactly like this.
Game has only been live for 30 hours and Eurogamer has decided to put up a review already, this site is extremely unprofessional, that is not enough for any game
im starting to think Tasos had a point when he went mad at Eurogamer
Why? It is a fair review and completely honest. And a score of 7/10 seems about right. I think it is a strong point of Eurogamer that it continues to demystify the hype around games in general and mmo's in particular. Apart from being informative it was fun to read.
Game has only been live for 30 hours and Eurogamer has decided to put up a review already, this site is extremely unprofessional, that is not enough for any game
im starting to think Tasos had a point when he went mad at Eurogamer
Why? It is a fair review and completely honest. And a score of 7/10 seems about right. I think it is a strong point of Eurogamer that it continues to demystify the hype around games in general and mmo's in particular. Apart from being informative it was fun to read.
Well it is his opinion. It's not quie fair to review a game that noone has even reached the level cap of fully explored the Abyss. In all seriousness....Aion had little to no hype on the hypo meter.
lol that’s even worse, I’ve never seen an mmorpg reviewed from the beta
"Beta" isn't really the right word here, the game have been out for over a year, the only big difference here is translation.
Besides he could actually be speaking Korean instead and played the game for a long time.
Eurogamer is far from the best site for reviews, but it isn't the worst either (I give them 3/5 myself .
But you guys are assuming one thing or another when they as well could have a guy who played the game for a year, we don't know that. I wouldn't buy a game only based on a EUgamer review of course but there are many other sites with worse reviews around.
And 7/10 seems ok, 9 should be exceptional and 10 almost impossible to get. Most sites are way to generous (including this site). 5-6 should mean average, not bad. Of course are some other of EUgames review scores a bit high hten but still. But there are some sites out there that just give away 10s to loads of games while 1-6 all mean pathetic and 7-9 means ok. It kinda makes the scale rather useless.
Game has only been live for 30 hours and Eurogamer has decided to put up a review already, this site is extremely unprofessional, that is not enough for any game
im starting to think Tasos had a point when he went mad at Eurogamer
Why? It is a fair review and completely honest. And a score of 7/10 seems about right. I think it is a strong point of Eurogamer that it continues to demystify the hype around games in general and mmo's in particular. Apart from being informative it was fun to read.
Well it is his opinion. It's not quie fair to review a game that noone has even reached the level cap of fully explored the Abyss. In all seriousness....Aion had little to no hype on the hypo meter.
Thanks for the good laugh. Little to no hype indeed.
lol that’s even worse, I’ve never seen an mmorpg reviewed from the beta
"Beta" isn't really the right word here, the game have been out for over a year, the only big difference here is translation.
Besides he could actually be speaking Korean instead and played the game for a long time.
Eurogamer is far from the best site for reviews, but it isn't the worst either (I give them 3/5 myself .
But you guys are assuming one thing or another when they as well could have a guy who played the game for a year, we don't know that. I wouldn't buy a game only based on a EUgamer review of course but there are many other sites with worse reviews around.
And 7/10 seems ok, 9 should be exceptional and 10 almost impossible to get. Most sites are way to generous (including this site). 5-6 should mean average, not bad. Of course are some other of EUgames review scores a bit high hten but still. But there are some sites out there that just give away 10s to loads of games while 1-6 all mean pathetic and 7-9 means ok. It kinda makes the scale rather useless.
Only been out ten months in Korea :P
Yes 7/10 is not a bad score, but imo it is not fair at all, I know people can tell if they like a game or not from a few hours but it is not enough for a review ( a review is supposed to fair and unbiased), he has not seen anything past level 30, most sites give a mmo at least 100 hours before giving a fair review
Darkfall creates something completely new and innovative... then get a 2 then a 4. Aion puts a L2 skin on WoW and gets 7.
The fact that creativity scores no points is proof enough that Eurogamer is a shitty review site. Plus rushing an MMO review like they do is retarded. They have no credibility left.
Darkfall creates something completely new and innovative... then get a 2 then a 4. Aion puts a L2 skin on WoW and gets 7. The fact that creativity scores no points is proof enough that Eurogamer is a shitty review site. Plus rushing an MMO review like they do is retarded. They have no credibility left.
What exactly was new and innovative about Darkfall? Never mind, don't answer that. It will derail the discussion.
The thing is that polish and all the features promised by the developers presented in the game score better than empty promises and unfulfilled potential.
Eurogamer gives very shallow reviews. In fact, I think they make it a point to be one of the first review sources to rate a game, therefore putting their name out their to the public when a game is first released and many avid fans and players flock to the review sites to see how good a game is right after launch. What do these eager fans and players find? Only one review, and thats from eurogamer... thus raising eurogamer's popularity and hits even if their reviews are inaccurate.
Im not saying eurogamer is the only review source to use this tactic, but I would say they are the most widely known.
if you ppl who bash eurogamer (a site for which i frankly don't care one way or another) would've bothered to actually read the review before whining that your beloved game "only" got 7/10, you would've noticed that:
a) the reviewer clearly states that review is only for the first 25 levels before getting into PvPvE zones. the points he makes about that part of the game (which is the first half lvl-wise if i'm not mistaken) are all valid and on that basis a score of 7/10 is certainly fair.
b) the reviewer also clearly states the site will publish a re-review once the game has been out for a while to see how the PvP element adds to the game.
so if one has actually mastered the art of reading he/she will find it is indeed a proper review as written. if not, well don't expect to be taken seriously.
Hm, I don't share this notion. I found the review very balanced and true. 7/10 seems a fair verdict and most stuff he said was right. I don't see the review is totally of the mark. Personally, I usually found Eurogamer made reviews to which I can agree, which is all that counts for me. They are often a bit more stern which is much needed in a time of way too much hype and blind praise. Like those 8 rating for Champions! Give me a break! No, I can't see anything wrong with the rating ot 7/10 on Aion.
Well, the following is not exactly "fair" to nitpick in this particular game, since it's the way all MMOs work (or at least the better ones):
After a week playing a Chanter in the open beta for Aion: The Tower of Eternity, NCsoft's new MMO, this sequence of key-presses is hard-coded into the muscle memory my left hand. I can tap it out on a table-top, the rhythm steady, urgent yet patient, hitting every skill's cooldown on the nose. Not a second or a mana point wasted. 2, 2, 3, 3, 5, 2, 3, 4, 5.
Optimising the usage of your skills in order to minimise the downtime between your cooldowns is neither new or bad. Nor is finding that optimum skill circle and using it to tackle the solo PvE mobs.
Apart from that, I see nothing wrong with that review, as long as everyone understands that he basically reviewed the open beta with whatever limitations were in place (if any).
I guess the thing here is the reviewer admits he bases the review on the first 25 levels . Personally i think reviews of mmos within the first two -three months of release are too soon because it does nt give the reviewer anywhere near enough time to form a balanced opinion . If we were to review WoW on its first 25 levels at the time of its release we would have thought the game was a grinder and level much the same critisms at it as some people are leveling at Aion now .
A review released too soon and on too little knowlage is no review at all . It more of a first impressions article .
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That guy clearly has issues with Korean MMOs.. lol
It does not take a long time to say a game is good or bad. I quit Vanguard in less than an hour and it is pretty well known that the game sucks.
You either going to really like it or hate it...period. Aion is a huge success in Asia.
Yes but that’s not a point, a review can’t be rushed...especially for any mmorpg
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He does say in his opening line that the "review" is based on the open beta and not the launch or pre-launch game.
7/10 and link for anyone interested: www.eurogamer.net/articles/aion-the-tower-of-eternity-review
"2, 2, 3, 3, 5, 2, 3, 4, 5.
After a week playing a Chanter in the open beta for Aion: The Tower of Eternity, NCsoft's new MMO, this sequence of key-presses is hard-coded into the muscle memory my left hand. I can tap it out on a table-top, the rhythm steady, urgent yet patient, hitting every skill's cooldown on the nose. Not a second or a mana point wasted. 2, 2, 3, 3, 5, 2, 3, 4, 5."
lol that’s even worse, I’ve never seen an mmorpg reviewed from the beta
March on! - Lets Invade Pekopon
Well, in his defence, the game didn't change that much from OB to release. At least, not in the area he seems to have the most gripes with. On the other hand, his issues with the combat are hilarious.
In the PvE game everybody is looking for the optimal setup of keystrokes that will leave little gap between abilities. I don't recall any other game that works any differently in solo PvE. Perhaps he was expecting an innovation there? Who knows. Thing is, all MMOs work exactly like this.
Why? It is a fair review and completely honest. And a score of 7/10 seems about right. I think it is a strong point of Eurogamer that it continues to demystify the hype around games in general and mmo's in particular. Apart from being informative it was fun to read.
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Why? It is a fair review and completely honest. And a score of 7/10 seems about right. I think it is a strong point of Eurogamer that it continues to demystify the hype around games in general and mmo's in particular. Apart from being informative it was fun to read.
Well it is his opinion. It's not quie fair to review a game that noone has even reached the level cap of fully explored the Abyss. In all seriousness....Aion had little to no hype on the hypo meter.
"Beta" isn't really the right word here, the game have been out for over a year, the only big difference here is translation.
Besides he could actually be speaking Korean instead and played the game for a long time.
Eurogamer is far from the best site for reviews, but it isn't the worst either (I give them 3/5 myself
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But you guys are assuming one thing or another when they as well could have a guy who played the game for a year, we don't know that. I wouldn't buy a game only based on a EUgamer review of course but there are many other sites with worse reviews around.
And 7/10 seems ok, 9 should be exceptional and 10 almost impossible to get. Most sites are way to generous (including this site). 5-6 should mean average, not bad. Of course are some other of EUgames review scores a bit high hten but still. But there are some sites out there that just give away 10s to loads of games while 1-6 all mean pathetic and 7-9 means ok. It kinda makes the scale rather useless.
Why? It is a fair review and completely honest. And a score of 7/10 seems about right. I think it is a strong point of Eurogamer that it continues to demystify the hype around games in general and mmo's in particular. Apart from being informative it was fun to read.
Well it is his opinion. It's not quie fair to review a game that noone has even reached the level cap of fully explored the Abyss. In all seriousness....Aion had little to no hype on the hypo meter.
Thanks for the good laugh. Little to no hype indeed.
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"Beta" isn't really the right word here, the game have been out for over a year, the only big difference here is translation.
Besides he could actually be speaking Korean instead and played the game for a long time.
Eurogamer is far from the best site for reviews, but it isn't the worst either (I give them 3/5 myself
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But you guys are assuming one thing or another when they as well could have a guy who played the game for a year, we don't know that. I wouldn't buy a game only based on a EUgamer review of course but there are many other sites with worse reviews around.
And 7/10 seems ok, 9 should be exceptional and 10 almost impossible to get. Most sites are way to generous (including this site). 5-6 should mean average, not bad. Of course are some other of EUgames review scores a bit high hten but still. But there are some sites out there that just give away 10s to loads of games while 1-6 all mean pathetic and 7-9 means ok. It kinda makes the scale rather useless.
Only been out ten months in Korea :P
Yes 7/10 is not a bad score, but imo it is not fair at all, I know people can tell if they like a game or not from a few hours but it is not enough for a review ( a review is supposed to fair and unbiased), he has not seen anything past level 30, most sites give a mmo at least 100 hours before giving a fair review
March on! - Lets Invade Pekopon
I think he was referring to the hype generated by the company, as opposed to the hype generated by the fans.
He might very well be, but I was not and he responded to that, which made me laugh as did the review.
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Darkfall creates something completely new and innovative... then get a 2 then a 4. Aion puts a L2 skin on WoW and gets 7.
The fact that creativity scores no points is proof enough that Eurogamer is a shitty review site. Plus rushing an MMO review like they do is retarded. They have no credibility left.
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i agree with this score. no way can get any higher in current state. but still decent
What exactly was new and innovative about Darkfall? Never mind, don't answer that. It will derail the discussion.
The thing is that polish and all the features promised by the developers presented in the game score better than empty promises and unfulfilled potential.
I agree with the OP.
Eurogamer gives very shallow reviews. In fact, I think they make it a point to be one of the first review sources to rate a game, therefore putting their name out their to the public when a game is first released and many avid fans and players flock to the review sites to see how good a game is right after launch. What do these eager fans and players find? Only one review, and thats from eurogamer... thus raising eurogamer's popularity and hits even if their reviews are inaccurate.
Im not saying eurogamer is the only review source to use this tactic, but I would say they are the most widely known.
Every review will contain inaccuracies, no doubt, but can you point out the inaccuracies in this review for me?
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Except it dosent.
Thats just your opinion and it is stupid to extend it more widely then that.
And yeah, Eurogamer are pure idiot drivel.
if you ppl who bash eurogamer (a site for which i frankly don't care one way or another) would've bothered to actually read the review before whining that your beloved game "only" got 7/10, you would've noticed that:
a) the reviewer clearly states that review is only for the first 25 levels before getting into PvPvE zones. the points he makes about that part of the game (which is the first half lvl-wise if i'm not mistaken) are all valid and on that basis a score of 7/10 is certainly fair.
b) the reviewer also clearly states the site will publish a re-review once the game has been out for a while to see how the PvP element adds to the game.
so if one has actually mastered the art of reading he/she will find it is indeed a proper review as written. if not, well don't expect to be taken seriously.
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Hm, I don't share this notion. I found the review very balanced and true. 7/10 seems a fair verdict and most stuff he said was right. I don't see the review is totally of the mark. Personally, I usually found Eurogamer made reviews to which I can agree, which is all that counts for me. They are often a bit more stern which is much needed in a time of way too much hype and blind praise. Like those 8 rating for Champions! Give me a break! No, I can't see anything wrong with the rating ot 7/10 on Aion.
Well, the following is not exactly "fair" to nitpick in this particular game, since it's the way all MMOs work (or at least the better ones):
After a week playing a Chanter in the open beta for Aion: The Tower of Eternity, NCsoft's new MMO, this sequence of key-presses is hard-coded into the muscle memory my left hand. I can tap it out on a table-top, the rhythm steady, urgent yet patient, hitting every skill's cooldown on the nose. Not a second or a mana point wasted. 2, 2, 3, 3, 5, 2, 3, 4, 5.
Optimising the usage of your skills in order to minimise the downtime between your cooldowns is neither new or bad. Nor is finding that optimum skill circle and using it to tackle the solo PvE mobs.
Apart from that, I see nothing wrong with that review, as long as everyone understands that he basically reviewed the open beta with whatever limitations were in place (if any).
I guess the thing here is the reviewer admits he bases the review on the first 25 levels . Personally i think reviews of mmos within the first two -three months of release are too soon because it does nt give the reviewer anywhere near enough time to form a balanced opinion . If we were to review WoW on its first 25 levels at the time of its release we would have thought the game was a grinder and level much the same critisms at it as some people are leveling at Aion now .
A review released too soon and on too little knowlage is no review at all . It more of a first impressions article .