E3 - 3 v 3 Arena incoming

bcbully

http://tamrielfoundry.com/topic/3v3-pvp-demo-e3-2014/

Straight from E3. 

 

How do you guys feel about this? No doubt a lot of people requested, but I'm not so sure. If this was implemented today, it wold be a horrible idea. ESO is not balanced around 1 v 1 or even 3 v 3.

 

I don't know if I want them going down the path of strict balance either. I know a lot of PvE only people will take issue even though there are a lot of pve changes on the way that will effect pvp, increasing physical damage for example. This sword cuts both ways.

 

At the same time I LOVED WoW arenas. I played thousands of matches and would probably be all in in ESO arenas too. uhg... what do you guys think?

 

edit - 3 v 3 now unconfirmed?

ZOS_JessicaFolsom wrote: »

We actually have a knowledgebase article about this. Quoting it below:

 

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Q - Will the PvP we saw at E3 be added to the game?

A - We set this up specific for shows, such as E3, so we can get small groups working together for a quick PvP-style match.

While it’s a small taste of what our massive PvP is like in the live game, we thought it would be a fun way for folks to fight with / against each other with the limited amount of time they have at shows like this.

This mode isn't in the live game, as it’s something we specifically setup for small, quick matches. However, ESO is a living, ever-evolving game, and if we see lots of requests for smaller style PvP combat, it could be something we add in a later update.

 

Zeymere

Originally posted by Ehllfhire - "They already stated in the may 1st interview there will be no duelling, arenas, or battlegrounds, as all would kill off cyrodil pvp.

 

Wow another post a person asked about this very thing, about adding arenas and bg's and the first post was the above.

 

bcbully

Originally posted by Zeymere
Originally posted by Ehllfhire - "They already stated in the may 1st interview there will be no duelling, arenas, or battlegrounds, as all would kill off cyrodil pvp.

 

Wow another post a person asked about this very thing, about adding arenas and bg's and the first post was the above.

 

You know I figured out what the server lag issues were from lastnight and how to fix them. 

 

The problem is everyone can't play on the same damn server! lmao Everyone wants to though 45 minute queues. They've raised, lowered, then raised caps again. It's just not possible atm. 

 

Arena would certainly siphon some players off and help with this issue... idk...

Kyleran

People enjoy them,  so as long as they don't draw down too heavily from the main RvR game play it seems like a  good idea.

 

cronius77

mixed feelings , not my cup of tea personally but i can see exactly what you mean about strict cookie cutter nerfing and balancing. But look at all the current crying over dragon knight nerfs and how pretty much the entire community on their official forums spill out vile hate towards them. I personally think they should stick to their guns and keep it a realm vs realm end game and keep designing systems and other cool stuff for realm vs realm instead. They have a darkness falls style dungeon in the works now and for people who did not play DAOC this was one of the best features of the game there. There would be entire zerges of players for that lone stealther ganking low levels and 1 vs 1 fights in that pve dungeon. It was frustrating and annoying as hell getting ganked when you were trying to level and get emerald and diamond seals for gear in there. But let me tell you damn if it wasnt fun as hell. I think they need to stict to this vision and stop letting the wow cry hard crowd destroy that vision of the game. Those babies are going to leave on the net shiny title anyways so who cares what they have to say.

Ehllfhire

So ZOS is throwing the towell in on RvR? I will quit, this game is going f2p soooooo fast.

MsPtibiscuit

Welp, ESO was fun the time it lasted. See ya in CU/SC/BDO

Zeymere

Originally posted by Ehllfhire
So ZOS is throwing the towell in on RvR? I will quit, this game is going f2p soooooo fast.

Ehl...

Hated calling you out on that one.  But lesson learned never underestimate the greed to make money and a companies need to say they wont do something but eventually do just that.

 

Z.

azzamasin

Any feature that pulls players from the RvR area is a bad ideal.

Ehllfhire

Originally posted by Zeymere

Originally posted by Ehllfhire
So ZOS is throwing the towell in on RvR? I will quit, this game is going f2p soooooo fast.

Ehl...

Hated calling you out on that one.  But lesson learned never underestimate the greed to make money and a companies need to say they wont do something but eventually do just that.

 

Z.

I shouldnt be surprised they were losing ~12k subs a day according to a friend of mine who works for them in their accounting dept. They are likely desperate.

Distopia

Originally posted by Zeymere
Originally posted by Ehllfhire - "They already stated in the may 1st interview there will be no duelling, arenas, or battlegrounds, as all would kill off cyrodil pvp.

 

Wow another post a person asked about this very thing, about adding arenas and bg's and the first post was the above.

 

http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/post/6242947#6242947

Yeah i made a thread on the topic long ago, not a single person agreed it would be a good idea.

hikaru77

Originally posted by azzamasin
Any feature that pulls players from the RvR area is a bad ideal.

Warhammer had RvR and BGS, I dont remember the RvR zone empty because everyone was playing BGS.  

BGS or Arenas are pretty much a must for a PvP player, is not all about one of another, we want options, choices. So the best thing that ZENIMAX can do to, is dev some BGS or arena system.   

Vapors

Originally posted by hikaru77

Originally posted by azzamasin
Any feature that pulls players from the RvR area is a bad ideal.

Warhammer had RvR and BGS, I dont remember the RvR zone empty because everyone was playing BGS.  

BGS or Arenas are pretty much a must for a PvP player, is not all about one of another, we want options, choices. So the best thing that ZENIMAX can do to, is dev some BGS or arena system.   

Players play what gives the most "EXP/Progression/Gear" in Warhammer BG's were way more popular for a long time since they were the best way to level up your RR and it gave you most tokens. After some fixes and buffs to the Open RvR, the majority started to RvR only and the que times for BG's went up.

Anthur

BGs are a waste of developer time/resources in an MMO imo. If someone really wants BGs he/she should play LoL or something similiar. They do that pretty well.

Instead they should have added small group content to Cyrodiil.

Anyway, there are always lots of people who want "everything" in an MMO instead of focusing on features where MMOs are strong and not inferior to other games.

kosac

great news.. and what about autoqueue?

Bahz

it will mess up the game just like WoW. World pvp will be dead and all classes will be "balanced". And if they mess it up like wow, they will add pvp gear grind and large differences between pvp and pve gear.

Loke666

If they can do it with not too much work and don't care to rework or balance the classes for it then it is no big deal but one would think there are plenty of better things for them to do right now. PvP wise they should use the resources to make the RvR more fun instead.

I am not much into small arenas myself, but if a majority of the players want it they should consider it. The question is if it is what the players really want.

Sovrath

Originally posted by Distopia

Originally posted by Zeymere
Originally posted by Ehllfhire - "They already stated in the may 1st interview there will be no duelling, arenas, or battlegrounds, as all would kill off cyrodil pvp.

 

Wow another post a person asked about this very thing, about adding arenas and bg's and the first post was the above.

 

http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/post/6242947#6242947

Yeah i made a thread on the topic long ago, not a single person agreed it would be a good idea.

hmmm, I wonder if that's really true.

In any case, I can see ways that it could work. Heck, Lineage 2 had a type of arena for Heroes and that didn't take people away from world pvp or sieges.

It really all depends on how it's implemented.

Not saying Zenimax is capable of implementing it well, but you can have a arena pvp with different rewards and goals and still have it work with Cyrodiil pvp.

However, if Cyrodiil pvp is just flipping keeps (which it seems to be) then that's something they need to address. That only works for so long.

mrBurns210

 I was thinking of resubbing when I saw the road ahead.  I am glad I waited I can save myself 15 bucks.

baphamet

personally, i wont be doing it as i got my fill of that shit in wow and hated it after a while. unless i just round some friends up and do it for fun but that's the problem, people are too serious about it and it gets annoying real fucking fast.

Zeymere

Originally posted by Sovrath

Originally posted by Distopia

Originally posted by Zeymere
Originally posted by Ehllfhire - "They already stated in the may 1st interview there will be no duelling, arenas, or battlegrounds, as all would kill off cyrodil pvp.

 

Wow another post a person asked about this very thing, about adding arenas and bg's and the first post was the above.

 

http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/post/6242947#6242947

Yeah i made a thread on the topic long ago, not a single person agreed it would be a good idea.

hmmm, I wonder if that's really true.

In any case, I can see ways that it could work. Heck, Lineage 2 had a type of arena for Heroes and that didn't take people away from world pvp or sieges.

It really all depends on how it's implemented.

Not saying Zenimax is capable of implementing it well, but you can have a arena pvp with different rewards and goals and still have it work with Cyrodiil pvp.

However, if Cyrodiil pvp is just flipping keeps (which it seems to be) then that's something they need to address. That only works for so long.

Which part?  Here is the link to the post i was referring to. 

http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/412689/Zenimax-needs-to-add-DUELING-and-ARENAS.html

 

Z.

SpottyGekko

I am not really surprised. I love ESO very much, but I fear that Zenimax's desire to capitalize on the ES IP will not end well.

 

This move sounds very much like "kneejerk reaction". It follows hot on the heels of the Cyrodiil campaign changes announcement. Flinging everything imagineable at the wall to see what sticks ?

 

I'm beginning to suspect that in the case of ESO, the design looked good on paper, but the delivered product turned out to be something else entirely. No doubt the idea of marrying DAOC's RVR with the mighty ES RPG looked like a sure-fire winner, but the resulting identity crises ended-up alienating more people than it attracted. It delivered neither DAOC nor an ES RPG, and two very different groups of fans were left dissatisfied with the compromises required to weld together steel and wood.

 

Trying to force prospective PVP'ers to grind 62 levels (currently) of PVE before they can reach their full potential is just as doomed as trying to offer prospective PVE'ers the goal of Cyrodiil PVP as the "ultimate endgame".

 

Trying to be "all things to all players" is always a massive gamble, and almost always fails.

bcbully

tropic for another thread...

Sovrath

Originally posted by Zeymere

Originally posted by Sovrath

Originally posted by Distopia

Originally posted by Zeymere
Originally posted by Ehllfhire - "They already stated in the may 1st interview there will be no duelling, arenas, or battlegrounds, as all would kill off cyrodil pvp.

 

Wow another post a person asked about this very thing, about adding arenas and bg's and the first post was the above.

 

http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/post/6242947#6242947

Yeah i made a thread on the topic long ago, not a single person agreed it would be a good idea.

hmmm, I wonder if that's really true.

In any case, I can see ways that it could work. Heck, Lineage 2 had a type of arena for Heroes and that didn't take people away from world pvp or sieges.

It really all depends on how it's implemented.

Not saying Zenimax is capable of implementing it well, but you can have a arena pvp with different rewards and goals and still have it work with Cyrodiil pvp.

However, if Cyrodiil pvp is just flipping keeps (which it seems to be) then that's something they need to address. That only works for so long.

Which part?  Here is the link to the post i was referring to. 

http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/412689/Zenimax-needs-to-add-DUELING-and-ARENAS.html

 

Z.

The part that "no person agreed it would be a good idea. I just went through that thread and several people, myself included, didn't agree with you. Not srue how you are getting "not a single person agreed it would be a good idea."

Zeymere

Originally posted by SpottyGekko

I am not really surprised. I love ESO very much, but I fear that Zenimax's desire to capitalize on the ES IP will not end well.

 

This move sounds very much like "kneejerk reaction". It follows hot on the heels of the Cyrodiil campaign changes announcement. Flinging everything imagineable at the wall to see what sticks ?

 

I'm beginning to suspect that in the case of ESO, the design looked good on paper, but the delivered product turned out to be something else entirely. No doubt the idea of marrying DAOC's RVR with the mighty ES RPG looked like a sure-fire winner, but the resulting identity crises ended-up alienating more people than it attracted. It delivered neither DAOC nor an ES RPG, and two very different groups of fans were left dissatisfied with the compromises required to weld together steel and wood.

 

Trying to force prospective PVP'ers to grind 62 levels (currently) of PVE before they can reach their full potential is just as doomed as trying to offer prospective PVE'ers the goal of Cyrodiil PVP as the "ultimate endgame".

 

Trying to be "all things to all players" is always a massive gamble, and almost always fails.

^^ This whole post  x 1000 percent dead on how I feel.  TY TYVM!

 

Z.

Zeymere

Originally posted by Sovrath

Originally posted by Zeymere

Originally posted by Sovrath

Originally posted by Distopia

Originally posted by Zeymere
Originally posted by Ehllfhire - "They already stated in the may 1st interview there will be no duelling, arenas, or battlegrounds, as all would kill off cyrodil pvp.

 

Wow another post a person asked about this very thing, about adding arenas and bg's and the first post was the above.

 

http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/post/6242947#6242947

Yeah i made a thread on the topic long ago, not a single person agreed it would be a good idea.

hmmm, I wonder if that's really true.

In any case, I can see ways that it could work. Heck, Lineage 2 had a type of arena for Heroes and that didn't take people away from world pvp or sieges.

It really all depends on how it's implemented.

Not saying Zenimax is capable of implementing it well, but you can have a arena pvp with different rewards and goals and still have it work with Cyrodiil pvp.

However, if Cyrodiil pvp is just flipping keeps (which it seems to be) then that's something they need to address. That only works for so long.

Which part?  Here is the link to the post i was referring to. 

http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/412689/Zenimax-needs-to-add-DUELING-and-ARENAS.html

 

Z.

The part that "no person agreed it would be a good idea. I just went through that thread and several people, myself included, didn't agree with you. Not srue how you are getting "not a single person agreed it would be a good idea."

Ok gotcha I guess keeping up with the quotes and sub quotes is hard.  I didn't say that, that was Distopia.

 

Ty

Z.