Well I applied to this beta ages ago and never got in. Thats no problem I was still quite interested in it anyway.
Howvere I have had several attempts to buy the game key via there website to no avail. They use what seems to me to be a silly way of purchasing.
Didnt matter what I did I always got an error on completeing the transaction. Click and Buy would add me as an active subscriber, but I never received a key.
When I mailed them about this all I was told is that I wont be able to play the game til I purchase a key ....doh...
Then they pointed me to the website to buy and do all the same stuff again !
So I have given up this idea and by the sound of the review, maybe thats a good thing
I think the review perfectly shows why not to subscribe to this game. With that said the World-engine is always worth the deal to visit (for some exploration) if you haven't yet. Had this been a serious development team this game could have been a hit but they got in way over their heads.
Last I heard, AD was backing out of GMing for the game due to the negative light it was shedding on them. Not sure if there is any substance to this rumor, but I read something about it.
Originally posted by Sheista Last I heard, AD was backing out of GMing for the game due to the negative light it was shedding on them. Not sure if there is any substance to this rumor, but I read something about it.
It's too late, they're already tainted. Then again, I have no love for CodeMasters games, so they can stick with them if they want
Originally posted by Supergohan it breaks my heart to see the game still hasnt changed that much from the early beta.i agree with every point given, except the support. cause that should be a - number. if you want support you gonna have to go to the players themself.
Isn't that the truth...started with SoG....where I along with several others volunteered to help with support of SoG (remember DSH in IRC chat?)...little did we realise we were really the only support that game offered...when we left, support was just no longer there. I know we weren't liked by part of the community...but we helped a great number of people get into and try the game. Perhaps we shouldn't have bothered...would have caused the downfall of this game a lot quicker..
i remember him , but not that much. i was always on irc trying to help people, but that stopped after the first patch for SoG (atleast i think it was a patch, could have been SoG going live to), because my login didnt work anymore and after 100+ mails and some months i gave up trying
Originally posted by indiramourn Originally posted by Mrbloodworth Seems this review was done before the last patch. They removed the 25 FPS cap.
The Multi-threading realy does improve things alot also.
The latest patch did a lot more damage than it did good. Isn't that obvious? Or have you been avoiding the official forums? The only reason the DnL servers are still up at all are for the few suckers who are tricked into buying the game (which is the soul purpose of the recently released "demo") and to beta test patches on a hold-on group of masochistic diehards who--like yourself--refuse to see the writing on the wall.
Sorry, not a fan boy.
I haven’t had the issues with the patch others have had. And the dual core updates did do allot for performance...and i have two types of comps, Multithreaded and dual core.
I don’t speak about what I don’t experience. I have read the forums. I bought the game after launch, and im a freedom pass subscriber. I pay no monthly fee. Don’t be mad at me because I didn’t believe the hype and played it smart when entering the game. And like I have said before, I’m a fan of the TECH not the game. I only log in when they patch...and even then not for very long. And like i said, i can log in any time they patch...for free basically, no subscription. So, like I said, stop hating me because I was smarter than you and didn’t get screwed by a blatantly incompetent company.
I’m sorry your mom is upset about the charges you cant cancel on her CC.
Originally posted by tepthtanis
PS... And Mr.Bloodworth! You are a big loose fanboi that's second only to Ztyx,weg and puure or whatever. I remember you...but I won't say anything bad about you because everyone deserves an opinion. But if you can't be objective and list the flaws as well as the pluses of the last patch then don't say anything at all. Uh huh. I agrred with the review, and the patch dosnt change alot, but it does do for me what i posted about.
PS: Tepthtanis, your a moron.
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Hey, go right ahead and be insulting. I'm not the moron that was a fanboi of DnL. I remember your little clown or jester picture. I remember you laying into the people that critsized the game. I remember you calling them "morons" among other things. And you know what, I don't give a rat's butt. I also don't remember anyone saying they hate you on here. Where the hell did that come from??? Like I said, everyone is entitled to their opinion. If you want to tell everyone that you still play this game and it works perfectly on your computer, go right ahead. 98 out 100 of them would tell you that "you" are the moron.
Did you get a little snick and a titter when you called me moron??? Really! How old are you?!?!?
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Originally posted by tepthtanis Originally posted by Mrbloodworth
PS: Tepthtanis, your a moron.
Hey, go right ahead and be insulting. I'm not the moron that was a fanboi of DnL. I remember your little clown or jester picture. I remember you laying into the people that critsized the game. I remember you calling them "morons" among other things. And you know what, I don't give a rat's butt. I also don't remember anyone saying they hate you on here. Where the hell did that come from??? Like I said, everyone is entitled to their opinion. If you want to tell everyone that you still play this game and it works perfectly on your computer, go right ahead. 98 out 100 of them would tell you that "you" are the moron.
Did you get a little snick and a titter when you called me moron??? Really! How old are you?!?!?
Every part of that post is a lie. Please post a link to where i said "I love DnL, nothing is wrong, its the best game ever". Because you are thinking of WEG.
I called you a moron because of your post, and postings. You have no idea what you are talking about, and decided to insult me.
My stance has allways been the same on the game. (Pre-SOG i was very excited thoe, who wasn't)
I like the TECH, and dont think the devs will dig them selves out of this one. Its a shame.
Now, you may be talking about people of your nature going overbord and stating very outlandish things...then yes..lol.. i may have called someone like that a moron, as i just did
Its one thing to not like the game and be mad for whatever reason, but I do hate it when people look for anything to scream about. I think allot of people forget that most Developers are people too, with their own dreams... and shit happens. Whatever that may be.
But people like you who seem to think they created the game just to screw you over are morons, lol. Yes, the wasted millions to devlop a game just to get your 40$ + 15 a month......once.
Please prove me wrong.
Thanks.
---------- "Anyone posting on this forum is not an average user, and there for any opinions about the game are going to be overly critical compared to an average users opinions." - Me
"Hello person posting on a site specifically for MMO's in a thread on a sub forum specifically for a particular game talking about meta features and making comparisons to other titles in the genre, and their meta features.
My stance has allways been the same on the game. (Pre-SOG i was very excited thoe, who wasn't)
I like the TECH, and dont think the devs will dig them selves out of this one. Its a shame.
Now, you may be talking about people of your nature going overbord and stating very outlandish things...then yes..lol.. i may have called someone like that a moron, as i just did
Its one thing to not like the game and be mad for whatever reason, but I do hate it when people look for anything to scream about. I think allot of people forget that most Developers are people too, with their own dreams... and shit happens. Whatever that may be.
But people like you who seem to think they created the game just to screw you over are morons, lol. Yes, the wasted millions to devlop a game just to get your 40$ + 15 a month......once.
Please prove me wrong.
Thanks.
So you're saying that them telling the world that the games state is the fans fault is okay. You're saying that them selling a game that should be in alpha to people at a premium price is okay. You're saying that their incompitant development is okay. You're saying that their theft of vworld tech from Pix is okay. Everything about DnL is okay with Mrbloodworth because you only play the game to experience the patches and you feel you didn't get ripped off. What planet are you from buddy? You attack me and call me a moron because you claim you're not a fanboi. Then turn around and defend DnL and still call me a moron!?!?!?
They don't want just my 40$ plus 15$ a month. They want everyones. And amazingly! That adds up to millions!!!(By the way, I got a refund!) Also, they wish to get rights to the vworld tech.
I come on to these forums for the dual purposes of seeing Farlan fail and to make sure "people like you" don't pull noobs into that meat grinder. So if you're going to come on here and say" Works great on my computer and that's all that matters to me!" without mentioning the negatives of the new patch then prepare to be critisized by "people like me!"
So go back to playing your "patches/tech" (Whatever!) and stay away from me because I'll burn you everytime...
Prove me wrong.
Have a nice day.
Played Wow, D and L, AOC, GW, Eve, Rift and many more insignificant games.
I was thinking about applying for a position at my work (sideways move) recently and one of the things required was "marketing skills" and preferably a degree or diploma in marketing.
I consider myself at 40y/o and having been an admin and training professional for the last 10 years, to have a solid grasp of marketing concepts, though I have no formal qualifications. I applied anyway and the selection process is still going. So why am I telling you this here ?
Because marketing is like drinking a glass of milk. Anyone with 1/10th of a brain and at least one working limb can do it. Having to go to University to study marketing is like having to go to a technical school to study wiping your butt for mine. Its just not neccessary.
However the MMORPG industry seems to be swamped, nay infested, with people who occupy marketing positions but seem to have no concept whatsoever of how to successfully market a product. My personal view is that its because they all went to Uni and studied it. They all learned the same tired 19th century marketing strategies from their ageging professors and they have not noticed that the world (particularly gaming) has become far more savvy to these basic advertising techniquies.
The absoloute most basic tennant of successful product or service promotion is "under promise and over deliver"
The exact opposite of the system used to market MMORPG's
So.... no surprises here with DnL.
Nice review
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This is the review that took so long to release? Uh... OK. Kind of un-inspired, no?
Was there something else going on here? I mean so much could have been done with a review about this game and this was just kinda.."yeah game sucks, everyone is leaving, bye".
Originally posted by Ivannatinkle That brings up an interesting, and valid, point. Which other games are AD involved with?
They were involved with Seed, doing community management and live events. Actually, I think the better parts of Seed were in the CS and live events. Always prompt, always helpful, and always thinking of ways to make the experience better.
Both D&L and Seed were unfinished and rough at launch. The difference is that Farlan made AD's job harder, by doing screwy stuff with preorders, account difficulties, undue bannings, etc. Runestone was up front, more than aware of the difficulties, and worked extra hard to make up for it, making AD's job easier.
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will NOT be playing that game. I guess the fact that it handles lots of on screen characters is good since most games lag when this happens, but thats not enough to make up for the lack of erm... everything!
I thought it was a hash enough review. It makes me not want to buy or try the game. I kinda feel sorry for the company. I'll bet my left nut that most of the people who were hyping the game were SW:G refuges. Once it launched and turned out to be a POS, They killed it by being vocal (I remember reading about what people thought). Word of mouth in the MMO industry is a killer.
Originally posted by Lamamoto Keep Hands off this game..... I was in SoG , as an Pioneer, I canceled the game b4 I get mad of.... biggest problem is the error if u use ATI graphiccards, you have to use an older version of thre driver, 6.3 i think... , and so on and on It could be a great game .... ; but they fumbled it to dead have to say that with an tear in my eye (crying or laughing, i dont know ) to see zhat game going down the drain, makes me really angry ok, I stop flame greetings
Like I told MrsButterworth. The biggest fault of Farlan/DnL was their mistreatment of their fans. Blaming the games failings on them. Total lack of customer support. "Hello, this is DnL support.....please hold the line...we will be with you in...fornever!" The ATI graphix card debacle was just a side effect of their lack of customer support.
Played Wow, D and L, AOC, GW, Eve, Rift and many more insignificant games.
Originally posted by tepthtanis Originally posted by Mrbloodworth
My stance has allways been the same on the game. (Pre-SOG i was very excited thoe, who wasn't)
I like the TECH, and dont think the devs will dig them selves out of this one. Its a shame.
Now, you may be talking about people of your nature going overbord and stating very outlandish things...then yes..lol.. i may have called someone like that a moron, as i just did
Its one thing to not like the game and be mad for whatever reason, but I do hate it when people look for anything to scream about. I think allot of people forget that most Developers are people too, with their own dreams... and shit happens. Whatever that may be.
But people like you who seem to think they created the game just to screw you over are morons, lol. Yes, the wasted millions to devlop a game just to get your 40$ + 15 a month......once.
Please prove me wrong.
Thanks.
So you're saying that them telling the world that the games state is the fans fault is okay. You're saying that them selling a game that should be in alpha to people at a premium price is okay. You're saying that their incompitant development is okay. You're saying that their theft of vworld tech from Pix is okay. Everything about DnL is okay with Mrbloodworth because you only play the game to experience the patches and you feel you didn't get ripped off. What planet are you from buddy? You attack me and call me a moron because you claim you're not a fanboi. Then turn around and defend DnL and still call me a moron!?!?!?
They don't want just my 40$ plus 15$ a month. They want everyones. And amazingly! That adds up to millions!!!(By the way, I got a refund!) Also, they wish to get rights to the vworld tech.
I come on to these forums for the dual purposes of seeing Farlan fail and to make sure "people like you" don't pull noobs into that meat grinder. So if you're going to come on here and say" Works great on my computer and that's all that matters to me!" without mentioning the negatives of the new patch then prepare to be critisized by "people like me!"
So go back to playing your "patches/tech" (Whatever!) and stay away from me because I'll burn you everytime...
Prove me wrong.
Have a nice day.
you have issues man. I did not say any of thoes things. Get the voices in your head checked.
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"Hello person posting on a site specifically for MMO's in a thread on a sub forum specifically for a particular game talking about meta features and making comparisons to other titles in the genre, and their meta features.
you have issues man. I did not say any of thoes things. Get the voices in your head checked.
Okay, here we go...
1) You attacked my original statement and called me a moron because I said you were a fanboi...I wasn't rude, I didn't say anything mean and yet you called me a moron. You even said "we" hate you. Sorry buddy! I don't hate anyone!
2) I came back and made you bleed because of your pitiful lies...It's so obvious! I'm sure if we took a poll I would win hands down!
3) Here's somemore...I went back and read your review under DnL ratings. You said you haven't been a fanboi since before SOG. Then why after the release of DnL on June 5th did you say..."A great game! A step above the norm." (Actually you said "I great game". You can't even spell "A" right and you have the nerve to call me a moron!)... then you said..."not an easy game...very complex." The only two things that are complex about DnL are Logging in and getting a refund. Then you said the game has some issues but it was just released and they will be resolved. If you're not a fanboi then no one is...
4) Anyone can go on to DnL forums and read your posts. There is plenty of evidence there of your fanboi status.
5) You come on here and say that DnL is great now because of the dual threading in the latest patch so it runs peachy-keen on your computer. FYI. Not everyone has an "easy button" on their computer. In fact, your the only one. I suppose your computer corrects all the DnL bugs for you. I suppose it adds the promised content that is missing for you. I suppose it has it's own customer support that is 100% efficient.
6) Any game in the world would look good after the stuff that you've been smoking,popping or injecting. "Hey everyone! Let's have a rousing game of hopscotch!!!"
7)So hey Blood, just drop it. I've had so much experience wtih lying idiots like you that everything you say is painted in red. If you really want to get nasty. E-mail me! I freely display it in my bio.
8) I've had enough of your whining and your bs. All this because I called you a fanboi. I got you dead to rights you sad, sad little boy. Don't go any further if you know what's good for you.
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I don't understand all the hate directed at this game. I understand that it is a buggy hunk of crap, built by 4 or 5 dudes... but is it really any worse than the other buggy pieces of crap built by 5 dudes? I am certainly not defending it, and wouldn't pay one red cent to play it... but is it really that much worse than Roma Victor or Seed?
I mean, it did get the lowest score ever from this site... how exactly do you get from that to saying the review was soft?
Originally posted by bigoberly Originally posted by IvannatinkleThat brings up an interesting, and valid, point. Which other games are AD involved with?
Not sure on that. I will look it up and post here. All Codemasters games.
What you two are insinuating has nothing to do with Business and the Principles of Success. What happened in the past does not dictate what WILL for a fact happen in the future.
You can walk right? You can read. You can speak? Those skills didnt come about instantaneously and perfectly. You made mistakes but you kept on going.
What does determine AD's success, is how they respond to this hurtle on the way to there goal. Obviously there goal is to make the best game possible. Will they learn from there mistakes? Will they better themselves from this setback or let it haunt there future? Thats all that truly matters. Somehow, I doubt any of you are privy to any of that information.
To the last two on here. It has nothing to do with gameplay. It has everything to do with past mistakes...
If you make a mistake and insult someone as a businessman/woman do you not apologize? It is simply good business to do so to a good customer.
Farlan/npcube/AD all had a hand in insulting the intelligence and integrity of their fanbase. Did they apologize? No! Did they make up for it in any way? No!
I agree with Iogangregor in that it all depends on what they do now. But are these companies willing to bite the bullet and admit to their shortcomings? I doubt it. They've shown no integrity so far...
Played Wow, D and L, AOC, GW, Eve, Rift and many more insignificant games.
On a side note to everyone. I still haven't gotten rid of that DnL virus that was released during the summer by DnL. I still get ghosts of DnL on my comp. DnL folders popping up every now and then even though I've tried to erase every aspect of DnL from my computer. How do I get rid of it without having to rollback my system??? Anybody?
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Not sure on that. I will look it up and post here.
All Codemasters games.
Well I applied to this beta ages ago and never got in. Thats no problem I was still quite interested in it anyway.
Howvere I have had several attempts to buy the game key via there website to no avail. They use what seems to me to be a silly way of purchasing.
Didnt matter what I did I always got an error on completeing the transaction. Click and Buy would add me as an active subscriber, but I never received a key.
When I mailed them about this all I was told is that I wont be able to play the game til I purchase a key ....doh...
Then they pointed me to the website to buy and do all the same stuff again !
So I have given up this idea and by the sound of the review, maybe thats a good thing
I think the review perfectly shows why not to subscribe to this game. With that said the World-engine is always worth the deal to visit (for some exploration) if you haven't yet. Had this been a serious development team this game could have been a hit but they got in way over their heads.
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Isn't that the truth...started with SoG....where I along with several others volunteered to help with support of SoG (remember DSH in IRC chat?)...little did we realise we were really the only support that game offered...when we left, support was just no longer there. I know we weren't liked by part of the community...but we helped a great number of people get into and try the game. Perhaps we shouldn't have bothered...would have caused the downfall of this game a lot quicker..
i remember him , but not that much. i was always on irc trying to help people, but that stopped after the first patch for SoG (atleast i think it was a patch, could have been SoG going live to), because my login didnt work anymore and after 100+ mails and some months i gave up trying
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Sorry,
not a fan boy.
I haven’t had the issues with the patch others have had. And the dual core
updates did do allot for performance...and i have two types of comps,
Multithreaded and dual core.
I don’t speak about what I don’t experience. I have read the forums. I bought
the game after launch, and im a freedom pass subscriber. I pay no monthly fee.
Don’t be mad at me because I didn’t believe the hype and played it smart when
entering the game. And like I have said before, I’m a fan of the TECH not the
game. I only log in when they patch...and even then not for very long. And like
i said, i can log in any time they patch...for free basically, no subscription.
So, like I said, stop hating me because I was smarter than you and didn’t get
screwed by a blatantly incompetent company.
I’m sorry your mom is upset about the charges you cant cancel
on her CC.
Originally posted by tepthtanisPS... And Mr.Bloodworth! You are a big loose fanboi that's second
only to Ztyx,weg and puure or whatever. I remember you...but I won't
say anything bad about you because everyone deserves an opinion. But if
you can't be objective and list the flaws as well as the pluses of the
last patch then don't say anything at all.
Uh huh. I agrred with the review, and the patch dosnt change alot, but it does do for me what i posted about.
PS: Tepthtanis, your a moron.
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"No, your wrong.." - Random user #123
"Hello person posting on a site specifically for MMO's in a thread on a sub forum specifically for a particular game talking about meta features and making comparisons to other titles in the genre, and their meta features.
How are you?" -Me
Hey, go right ahead and be insulting. I'm not the moron that was a fanboi of DnL. I remember your little clown or jester picture. I remember you laying into the people that critsized the game. I remember you calling them "morons" among other things. And you know what, I don't give a rat's butt. I also don't remember anyone saying they hate you on here. Where the hell did that come from??? Like I said, everyone is entitled to their opinion. If you want to tell everyone that you still play this game and it works perfectly on your computer, go right ahead. 98 out 100 of them would tell you that "you" are the moron.
Did you get a little snick and a titter when you called me moron??? Really! How old are you?!?!?
Played Wow, D and L, AOC, GW, Eve, Rift and many more insignificant games.
Hey, go right ahead and be insulting. I'm not the moron that was a fanboi of DnL. I remember your little clown or jester picture. I remember you laying into the people that critsized the game. I remember you calling them "morons" among other things. And you know what, I don't give a rat's butt. I also don't remember anyone saying they hate you on here. Where the hell did that come from??? Like I said, everyone is entitled to their opinion. If you want to tell everyone that you still play this game and it works perfectly on your computer, go right ahead. 98 out 100 of them would tell you that "you" are the moron.
Did you get a little snick and a titter when you called me moron??? Really! How old are you?!?!?
Every part of that post is a lie. Please post a link to
where i said "I love DnL, nothing is wrong, its the best game ever". Because
you are thinking of WEG.
I called you a moron because of your post, and postings. You have no idea what
you are talking about, and decided to insult me.
My stance has allways been the same on the game. (Pre-SOG i was very excited thoe, who wasn't)
I like the TECH, and dont think the devs will dig them selves out of this one. Its a shame.
Now, you may be talking about people of your nature going overbord and stating very outlandish things...then yes..lol.. i may have called someone like that a moron, as i just did
Its
But people like you who seem to think they created the game just to screw you over are morons, lol. Yes, the wasted millions to devlop a game just to get your 40$ + 15 a month......once.one thing to not like the game and be mad for whatever reason, but I do hate it
when people look for anything to scream about. I think allot of people forget
that most Developers are people too, with their own dreams... and shit happens.
Whatever that may be.
Please prove me wrong.
Thanks.
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"Anyone posting on this forum is not an average user, and there for any opinions about the game are going to be overly critical compared to an average users opinions." - Me
"No, your wrong.." - Random user #123
"Hello person posting on a site specifically for MMO's in a thread on a sub forum specifically for a particular game talking about meta features and making comparisons to other titles in the genre, and their meta features.
How are you?" -Me
My stance has allways been the same on the game. (Pre-SOG i was very excited thoe, who wasn't)
I like the TECH, and dont think the devs will dig them selves out of this one. Its a shame.
Now, you may be talking about people of your nature going overbord and stating very outlandish things...then yes..lol.. i may have called someone like that a moron, as i just did
Its one thing to not like the game and be mad for whatever reason, but I do hate it when people look for anything to scream about. I think allot of people forget that most Developers are people too, with their own dreams... and shit happens. Whatever that may be.
But people like you who seem to think they created the game just to screw you over are morons, lol. Yes, the wasted millions to devlop a game just to get your 40$ + 15 a month......once.Please prove me wrong.
Thanks.
So you're saying that them telling the world that the games state is the fans fault is okay. You're saying that them selling a game that should be in alpha to people at a premium price is okay. You're saying that their incompitant development is okay. You're saying that their theft of vworld tech from Pix is okay. Everything about DnL is okay with Mrbloodworth because you only play the game to experience the patches and you feel you didn't get ripped off. What planet are you from buddy? You attack me and call me a moron because you claim you're not a fanboi. Then turn around and defend DnL and still call me a moron!?!?!?
They don't want just my 40$ plus 15$ a month. They want everyones. And amazingly! That adds up to millions!!!(By the way, I got a refund!) Also, they wish to get rights to the vworld tech.
I come on to these forums for the dual purposes of seeing Farlan fail and to make sure "people like you" don't pull noobs into that meat grinder. So if you're going to come on here and say" Works great on my computer and that's all that matters to me!" without mentioning the negatives of the new patch then prepare to be critisized by "people like me!"
So go back to playing your "patches/tech" (Whatever!) and stay away from me because I'll burn you everytime...
Prove me wrong.
Have a nice day.
Played Wow, D and L, AOC, GW, Eve, Rift and many more insignificant games.
I was thinking about applying for a position at my work (sideways move) recently and one of the things required was "marketing skills" and preferably a degree or diploma in marketing.
I consider myself at 40y/o and having been an admin and training professional for the last 10 years, to have a solid grasp of marketing concepts, though I have no formal qualifications. I applied anyway and the selection process is still going. So why am I telling you this here ?
Because marketing is like drinking a glass of milk. Anyone with 1/10th of a brain and at least one working limb can do it. Having to go to University to study marketing is like having to go to a technical school to study wiping your butt for mine. Its just not neccessary.
However the MMORPG industry seems to be swamped, nay infested, with people who occupy marketing positions but seem to have no concept whatsoever of how to successfully market a product. My personal view is that its because they all went to Uni and studied it. They all learned the same tired 19th century marketing strategies from their ageging professors and they have not noticed that the world (particularly gaming) has become far more savvy to these basic advertising techniquies.
The absoloute most basic tennant of successful product or service promotion is "under promise and over deliver"
The exact opposite of the system used to market MMORPG's
So.... no surprises here with DnL.
Nice review
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This is the review that took so long to release? Uh... OK. Kind of un-inspired, no?
Was there something else going on here? I mean so much could have been done with a review about this game and this was just kinda.."yeah game sucks, everyone is leaving, bye".
Just curious.
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They were involved with Seed, doing community management and live events. Actually, I think the better parts of Seed were in the CS and live events. Always prompt, always helpful, and always thinking of ways to make the experience better.
Both D&L and Seed were unfinished and rough at launch. The difference is that Farlan made AD's job harder, by doing screwy stuff with preorders, account difficulties, undue bannings, etc. Runestone was up front, more than aware of the difficulties, and worked extra hard to make up for it, making AD's job easier.
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Keep Hands off this game.....
I was in SoG , as an Pioneer, I canceled the game b4 I get mad of....
biggest problem is the error if u use ATI graphiccards, you have to use an older version of thre driver, 6.3 i think... , and so on and on
It could be a great game .... ; but they fumbled
it to dead
have to say that with an tear in my eye (crying or laughing, i dont know )
to see zhat game going down the drain, makes me really angry
ok, I stop flame
greetings
Played Wow, D and L, AOC, GW, Eve, Rift and many more insignificant games.
My stance has allways been the same on the game. (Pre-SOG i was very excited thoe, who wasn't)
I like the TECH, and dont think the devs will dig them selves out of this one. Its a shame.
Now, you may be talking about people of your nature going overbord and stating very outlandish things...then yes..lol.. i may have called someone like that a moron, as i just did
Its one thing to not like the game and be mad for whatever reason, but I do hate it when people look for anything to scream about. I think allot of people forget that most Developers are people too, with their own dreams... and shit happens. Whatever that may be.
But people like you who seem to think they created the game just to screw you over are morons, lol. Yes, the wasted millions to devlop a game just to get your 40$ + 15 a month......once.Please prove me wrong.
Thanks.
So you're saying that them telling the world that the games state is the fans fault is okay. You're saying that them selling a game that should be in alpha to people at a premium price is okay. You're saying that their incompitant development is okay. You're saying that their theft of vworld tech from Pix is okay. Everything about DnL is okay with Mrbloodworth because you only play the game to experience the patches and you feel you didn't get ripped off. What planet are you from buddy? You attack me and call me a moron because you claim you're not a fanboi. Then turn around and defend DnL and still call me a moron!?!?!?
They don't want just my 40$ plus 15$ a month. They want everyones. And amazingly! That adds up to millions!!!(By the way, I got a refund!) Also, they wish to get rights to the vworld tech.
I come on to these forums for the dual purposes of seeing Farlan fail and to make sure "people like you" don't pull noobs into that meat grinder. So if you're going to come on here and say" Works great on my computer and that's all that matters to me!" without mentioning the negatives of the new patch then prepare to be critisized by "people like me!"
So go back to playing your "patches/tech" (Whatever!) and stay away from me because I'll burn you everytime...
Prove me wrong.
Have a nice day.
you have issues man. I did not say any of thoes things. Get the voices in your head checked.
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"Anyone posting on this forum is not an average user, and there for any opinions about the game are going to be overly critical compared to an average users opinions." - Me
"No, your wrong.." - Random user #123
"Hello person posting on a site specifically for MMO's in a thread on a sub forum specifically for a particular game talking about meta features and making comparisons to other titles in the genre, and their meta features.
How are you?" -Me
Okay, here we go...
1) You attacked my original statement and called me a moron because I said you were a fanboi...I wasn't rude, I didn't say anything mean and yet you called me a moron. You even said "we" hate you. Sorry buddy! I don't hate anyone!
2) I came back and made you bleed because of your pitiful lies...It's so obvious! I'm sure if we took a poll I would win hands down!
3) Here's somemore...I went back and read your review under DnL ratings. You said you haven't been a fanboi since before SOG. Then why after the release of DnL on June 5th did you say..."A great game! A step above the norm." (Actually you said "I great game". You can't even spell "A" right and you have the nerve to call me a moron!)... then you said..."not an easy game...very complex." The only two things that are complex about DnL are Logging in and getting a refund. Then you said the game has some issues but it was just released and they will be resolved. If you're not a fanboi then no one is...
4) Anyone can go on to DnL forums and read your posts. There is plenty of evidence there of your fanboi status.
5) You come on here and say that DnL is great now because of the dual threading in the latest patch so it runs peachy-keen on your computer. FYI. Not everyone has an "easy button" on their computer. In fact, your the only one. I suppose your computer corrects all the DnL bugs for you. I suppose it adds the promised content that is missing for you. I suppose it has it's own customer support that is 100% efficient.
6) Any game in the world would look good after the stuff that you've been smoking,popping or injecting. "Hey everyone! Let's have a rousing game of hopscotch!!!"
7)So hey Blood, just drop it. I've had so much experience wtih lying idiots like you that everything you say is painted in red. If you really want to get nasty. E-mail me! I freely display it in my bio.
8) I've had enough of your whining and your bs. All this because I called you a fanboi. I got you dead to rights you sad, sad little boy. Don't go any further if you know what's good for you.
Played Wow, D and L, AOC, GW, Eve, Rift and many more insignificant games.
I don't understand all the hate directed at this game. I understand that it is a buggy hunk of crap, built by 4 or 5 dudes... but is it really any worse than the other buggy pieces of crap built by 5 dudes? I am certainly not defending it, and wouldn't pay one red cent to play it... but is it really that much worse than Roma Victor or Seed?
I mean, it did get the lowest score ever from this site... how exactly do you get from that to saying the review was soft?
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What you two are insinuating has nothing to do with Business and the Principles of Success.
What happened in the past does not dictate what WILL for a fact happen in the future.
You can walk right? You can read. You can speak? Those skills didnt come about instantaneously and perfectly. You made mistakes but you kept on going.
What does determine AD's success, is how they respond to this hurtle on the way to there goal. Obviously there goal is to make the best game possible. Will they learn from there mistakes? Will they better themselves from this setback or let it haunt there future? Thats all that truly matters. Somehow, I doubt any of you are privy to any of that information.
To the last two on here. It has nothing to do with gameplay. It has everything to do with past mistakes...
If you make a mistake and insult someone as a businessman/woman do you not apologize? It is simply good business to do so to a good customer.
Farlan/npcube/AD all had a hand in insulting the intelligence and integrity of their fanbase. Did they apologize? No! Did they make up for it in any way? No!
I agree with Iogangregor in that it all depends on what they do now. But are these companies willing to bite the bullet and admit to their shortcomings? I doubt it. They've shown no integrity so far...
Played Wow, D and L, AOC, GW, Eve, Rift and many more insignificant games.
Played Wow, D and L, AOC, GW, Eve, Rift and many more insignificant games.