Who keeps giving SOE money?

Orthosin · October 2006

Why do people keep giving this stupid company money? SWG for example, why not make a pre-cu server? These idiots dont realize they will be making more then they would be losing. With two gaming experences to fit two play styles, people that like CU and people that liek NGE, i bet if you just gave them their 31 class options back and old school jedis back where you had to learn to be a jedi people would be satisfied.

Please stop giving SOE money. please? *tear drop*

kimosabe · October 2006

Business, and the rest of the world in general, is a lot more complicated than your post seems to make it. SWG most likely isn't losing any money for SOE. Would preCU be making more money? I'd say so, but nobody can be sure. The guys at SOE are all subject to the wishes and whims of a small handful of people, so I'd doubt that they're all idiots, just the ones in power are. As for supporting both NGE and preCU code, no one outside of the business is too sure whether SOE has bastardized the old code beyond repair, or if their new devs could even handle it. Aside from that, there are possible legal implications that could be preventing SOE from having both types of servers, or at least profiting from both of them. Yes, I'd like to see the old SWG, and so would many other people; sure the 32 profession choices was nice, and bringing them back would bring back customers too, but it was so much more than that. It's pretty hard not to give Sony any money, as they're such a huge corporation, but more relevant is the Station Pass. Sure SOE shits up plenty of MMOs, but most of them were not warped as much as SWG, so they remain somewhat popular, and as long as those other games (which are a part of Station Access also) keep making profits for them plus extra, SOE can afford to keep SWG up as long as they like in whatever form they like. I don't condone what SOE did to SWG and the way the whole process was handled, but unfortunately, there is little that most people can do.

Lazzaro · October 2006

Although I don't play EQ2, I heard it is pretty good. So that is a pluse for SoE.

VengeSunsoar · October 2006

While EQ2 is not the best game I have played, I do think it is one of the best out right now and so I will keep giving SOE my money till I am bored of it or a game I like better comes along.

Venge Sunsoar

MMO_Man · October 2006

I'm sure SWG isn't making them any money these days, they make it from their station pass. A couple of friend still play SWG (believe it or not) and they say the servers are all but empty.

Samuraisword · October 2006

I pity the fool who gives SOE money. They will be rewarded by having their charcater nerfed or removed entirely,and having the game change over and over again for the worse.

Draenor · October 2006

I would like to introduce you to my friend...his name is dead horse...and he likes to get beaten.

bhwama · October 2006

Samuraisword wrote:

"I pity the fool who gives SOE money. They will be rewarded by having their charcater nerfed or removed entirely,and having the game change over and over again for the worse."

That is not the SOE I remember from EQ1. In EQ1, they were unyeilding, and very slow to change things for the better.

Players told them for years the Cleric class was too essential to the game. That guilds were destroyed if they lost too many Clerics. Players wanted instanced raid zones, rather than the open ones that let just a few top guilds on each server kill everything worthwhile. It took SOE years to put these changes into EQ1, but many players had left by then, never to return.

Nice to know SOE will change things in a more timely manner now. Even though by most accounts they went too far in changing SWG, there must have seen some serious problems in the fun department to make them change it so much. Many comments on these forums say they have changed EQ2 for the better over the years as well. I wonder why they can't get things right at launch.

I havn't given up on SOE. They must have a lot of knowledge about mmorpg making, if they make something I might want to play, I will go back to them. They might hit a home run yet.

IdesofMarch · October 2006

Originally posted by Orthosin

Why do people keep giving this stupid company money?

Because some people like the games that they offer despite what everyone else thinks?

DarkeOne · October 2006

if I had a dollar for every SWG post nge bash I'd never have to work again.

Currently, I'm giving SOE some of my money. I'm enjoying EQ2, because it is a good game. I'm also playing SWG NGE. Though I like the pre NGE stuff better, I'm enjoying the new stuff also. I also have the option of jumping into Planetside, EQ1, or the Matrix (if I really want to punish myself). Bottom line Is I'm enjoying what I'm paying for. And if people are going to call me stupid for that well you know where you can go

If you really need to rant about SWG, go to the SWG veterans forums. The flames there burn quite hot.

Apocalyptica · October 2006

If people like their games, they will pay. And why shouldn't there be people who like their games. Only because you don't like them, don't mean that no one else does. Each to its own game experience. It don't matter what other people think, it only matter if you enjoy the game. What a silly thread you started here.

Samuraisword · October 2006

Originally posted by bhwama

I havn't given up on SOE. They must have a lot of knowledge about mmorpg making, if they make something I might want to play, I will go back to them. They might hit a home run yet.

You made me laugh, *laugh*.

You correctly say SOE must have a lot of knowledge about making MMOGs yet they have no game on the market that you want to play. That's pathetic considering how many they operate.

Wait til Vanguard releases and see what happens to EQ2. Mark my words.

Hadesprime · October 2006

SOE screwed up SWG because they wanted to and probably still do turn it into a console game. In case you haven't been keeping track the PS3 is not being recieved well due to its price point in comparison with the Xbox 360. So they need good quality titles for games to offset the inevitable price drop they will have to give in on the PS3's.

No doubt they anticipated the problems with the PS3's and were hoping they could come up with some direct console titles themselves.

nonjonron · October 2006

I agree wholeheartedly with Samuraisword. You will work hard on your character only to have him nerfed to bits.

In EQ1, I had a 56 level wiz on Sullon Zek. The hours I spent grinding and leveling that character are beyond count for me. One day Sony issues the news that damaged produced by direct damage spells in PvP battles will be reduced by over 50%.

So think about it: player starts the game, analyzes the character classes, and chooses wizard because in the long wrong that player wants to deal alot of direct damage in PvP. The player realizes however, that wizards can have a hard time getting groups and that the climb to the higher levels is going to be tough. His eyes are on the direct damage reward however, so he sucks it up and grinds his way up there.

Then the news. Thanks for your patronage player, here is your reward for the hard work and money.

Tymora · October 2006

I've been playing SOE games since EQ. I'll continue to keep "giving them money" until they stop making mmorpgs that I like. In this case, one bad apple did not spoil the whole bunch. I won't jump on this bandwagon.

Xpheyel · October 2006

Well in all fairness you could probably point to MxO and PlanetSide as well as SWG.

Tymora · October 2006

I played MxO and enojyed it while I played. I don't point the finger at SOE for it's drawbacks. It was created by Monolith and it came over to SOE with problems. It was fun for a while, even at release. I hardly consider this anywhere in the same category as SWG. In fact, I don't put any other mmorpg in that category, since SWG is unique in that it was totally changed into a different game.

Lots of mmorpgs have been developed poorly, none until SWG have been developed one way and then changed to something different. That is the whole problem behind this issue. I don't feel the need to avoid SOE games despite this. I was concerned for Everquest II after the SWG NGE, but there is a different team of developers working on that mmo. In my opinion, SOE has done more good than bad, even when the bad is beyond bad and just plain aweful.

DarkeOne · October 2006

I know how it feels to have a character nerfed to bits and yeah its a real turn off. Tymora makes a good point though...many of these games are handled by the developer, not SOE entirely and if you're really looking to point fingers you want to look at those guys first.

MMO games change over time. some for the good and some for the bad. If SOE was that bad they wouldn't have been as successful as they are.

And just to reiterate, there's a veteran SWG forum there chock full of unhappy ranters who are eager to bash and comiserate. And to the Vanguard fanboy, don't get your hopes up. Proof of the pudding is in the eating. That and every MMO to date was always succeded by something with better this and better than and they're still going strong.

The_Boo_Cat · October 2006

I wonder...if SOE hadn't ruined SWG, would there still be this open hostility towards them?

I used to play UO, in the times before Trammel, as I'm sure many people here did and the game was fantastic. But, over time EA changed the game until it just wasn't the same anymore and many people left but I don't hear anywhere near, if any, posts about EA...granted though, it was years ago...but then again, NGE was also a while ago now.

I think the hostility is because it was Star Wars, it's not just a game, it's an institution...and SOE have brought the wrath of Star Wars fans upon themselves.

Let's see what happens to Turbine if they mess up LOTRO.

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