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A little.. *too* similar-looking to WoW...
WSIMike
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first, I'm looking forward to WHO... It sounds/looks like alot of fun and I'm always eager to try something new and different. I'm somewhat familiar with the Warhammer PnP game from when I was big into tabletop gaming some years back and so I know it has alot behind it and alot to draw from....
However...what I can't get my head around is that sometimes it just looks too much like WoW.
http://www.warhammeronline.com/english/media/screenshots/full/SS_May_2006_07.jpg
This screen-shot.. those dwarf statues in the background... that shot could almost be taken right out of somewhere around Loch Modan or IF in WoW. The interface is a bit too similar, too.. the very "circular" nature of some of the HUD elements (ie. compass/map, etc)..
The overall graphic style is very similar.. though a bit grittier.
I'm just wondering why they'd make it look so similar. It's like they're setting themselves up for the "OMG it's a WoW rip-off!" comments.. and it will happen. Keep in mind, many many many people do not know what Warhammer is, much less how long it's been around. They'll see WHO and immediately deem it a WoW knock-off.
-shrug-
"If you just step away for a sec you will clearly see all the pot holes in the road,
and the cash shop selling asphalt..." - Mimzel on F2P/Cash Shops
and the cash shop selling asphalt..." - Mimzel on F2P/Cash Shops
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http://www.warhammeronline.com/english/media/screenshots/full/squigherder02.jpg
http://www.warhammeronline.com/english/media/screenshots/full/dwzone_sep_2006_05.jpg
http://www.warhammeronline.com/english/media/screenshots/full/SS_aug2006_15.jpg
http://www.warhammeronline.com/english/media/screenshots/full/SS_aug2006_13.jpg
http://www.warhammeronline.com/english/media/screenshots/full/SS_aug2006_30.jpg
I don't know what you're talking about.
Oh god, here we go again. Let me just post everything people will yell at you once they read this.
"OMG WOW LOOKS NOTHING LIKE WAR!!1 *followed by the screenshot detailing WoW goblin/WAR goblin and WoW Orc / WAR Orc*"
"Warcraft ripped off Warhammer in the beginning, so THEY are copying Warhammer. *followed by silly smug look that comes from knowing your nerdy fantasy franchise came before someone else's nerdy fantasy franchise.*"
"OMG WAR LOOKS LIKE THE MINIATURES. You just don't know this because you are a child. DO SOME RESEARCH!! Like me for instance, I kiss my rulebooks every morining and make sweet love to the Liber Chaotica every night."
Followed by a snarky post by me making fun of all these people. Well, I guess that post is this post..so..goodbye.
Just one thing, since you obviously dont know and didnt read the main site of the game or you would know that it's not WHO, it's officialy WAR, Warhammer is one word, and the name of the game is Warhammer: Age of Reckoning.
For the rest i wont even answer since it as been answered time and time again... every week/2 weeks we see the same thread posted.
Well, please do forgive me, oh high Lord and Master and Overseer of all that is WAR, for I have clearly offended your righteous sensibilities with my shamelessly ignorant attempt at abbreviating the name of a game. Verily I should have first done my proper research and scoured the entire main site to see if an official abbreviation had been set in stone for all to use when addressing this most glorious collection of 1's and 0's. I do hope you can find it in your most sensible heart to forgive my despicable bastardizing of this most sacred of combined letters
</mock humility>
Seriously... that has got to be the absolute stupidest and most pointless thing I have ever been "berated" for. Get out of your chair. Walk outside and look around. See that? There's a whole other world out there. You should maybe experience it a bit more. Might help balance your perspective on things just a bit.
As for the same thread being posted every week/2 weeks.. guess what.. it's going to be posted many times more. Are you going to be there to chastise all those posters, too? Wouldn't it be easier to just.. oh I don't know.. don't bother *reading* such posts.. much less responding to them?
Get over it.
and the cash shop selling asphalt..." - Mimzel on F2P/Cash Shops
There seems to be three general camps of thought on the subject:
1. Warcraft kiddies who don't know gaming history and believe Blizzard's style to be unique or original.
2. Those familiar with the progression of fantasy archetypes, who believe WAR should have discarded the look of the miniatures, WFRP artwork, full color paintings, and anything made before the mid-90's, and focused on the darker imagery.
3. Those familiar with the progression of fantasy archetypes, who believe WAR is right to have stuck to the majority of Warhammer imagery over the past 25 years, rather than some of the more stylized black-and-white work.
The second two are sound opinions, and Mythic/GW chose to go with the second for the game. Disagreeing is fine, but it doesn't mean they're wrong for going with the more popular look Blizzard mimicked.
Edit: also, as for the HUD... more than a few games that predate WoW have similar layouts. That's not a reasonable criticism.
Yes. Because they're arrogant. Just like you.
The "zOMG, A WoW CLONE" act is old.
Well, please do forgive me, oh high Lord and Master and Overseer of all that is WAR, for I have clearly offended your righteous sensibilities with my shamelessly ignorant attempt at abbreviating the name of a game. Verily I should have first done my proper research and scoured the entire main site to see if an official abbreviation had been set in stone for all to use when addressing this most glorious collection of 1's and 0's. I do hope you can find it in your most sensible heart to forgive my despicable bastardizing of this most sacred of combined letters
</mock humility>
Seriously... that has got to be the absolute stupidest and most pointless thing I have ever been "berated" for. Get out of your chair. Walk outside and look around. See that? There's a whole other world out there. You should maybe experience it a bit more. Might help balance your perspective on things just a bit.
As for the same thread being posted every week/2 weeks.. guess what.. it's going to be posted many times more. Are you going to be there to chastise all those posters, too? Wouldn't it be easier to just.. oh I don't know.. don't bother *reading* such posts.. much less responding to them?
Get over it.
Although, in the back of my head, I know I should never bump a thread as overdone as this, I have something I'd like to say to the OP concerning his response here. Kill people with kindness. He wasn't especially nice about informing you of the correct Acronym (which is an abbreviation that sounds like a word or is a word, taking your example, WHO is the World Health Organization). Yet in your response you stooped to his level, and arguably below it. If you strip away the ad hominem (an attack used in debate that focuses on the person making the argument rather than the argument itself), he did increase your knowledge and educate you. You won't call it WHO again, will you? So thank him for that, and let it go, and focus on this game rather than turning this into a trolling flame war. Works so much better than feeding into his possible hope of a retaliatory post from you.
I almost got into it with somebody on these forums, and guess what? I decided that would be pointless. So I said to him, "Thank you, I appreciate your response." And since then we've had some positive posts back and forth. In these forums we're in the knowledge and speculation business, sharing what we know and asking about what we don't. That works so much better when we make friends rather than make enemies. You'll always have flamers and trollers, snarky responses, but you can't control that. All you can do is control your own response and do what you can to make these forums a better, more fun & interesting place. Hope this makes sense, and if all else fails, remember this great saying -
"Arguing with people online is like running in the special olympics, even if you win you're still retarded."
Well, please do forgive me, oh high Lord and Master and Overseer of all that is WAR, for I have clearly offended your righteous sensibilities with my shamelessly ignorant attempt at abbreviating the name of a game. Verily I should have first done my proper research and scoured the entire main site to see if an official abbreviation had been set in stone for all to use when addressing this most glorious collection of 1's and 0's. I do hope you can find it in your most sensible heart to forgive my despicable bastardizing of this most sacred of combined letters
</mock humility>
Seriously... that has got to be the absolute stupidest and most pointless thing I have ever been "berated" for. Get out of your chair. Walk outside and look around. See that? There's a whole other world out there. You should maybe experience it a bit more. Might help balance your perspective on things just a bit.
As for the same thread being posted every week/2 weeks.. guess what.. it's going to be posted many times more. Are you going to be there to chastise all those posters, too? Wouldn't it be easier to just.. oh I don't know.. don't bother *reading* such posts.. much less responding to them?
Get over it.
Although, in the back of my head, I know I should never bump a thread as overdone as this, I have something I'd like to say to the OP concerning his response here. Kill people with kindness. He wasn't especially nice about informing you of the correct Acronym (which is an abbreviation that sounds like a word or is a word, taking your example, WHO is the World Health Organization). Yet in your response you stooped to his level, and arguably below it. If you strip away the ad hominem (an attack used in debate that focuses on the person making the argument rather than the argument itself), he did increase your knowledge and educate you. You won't call it WHO again, will you? So thank him for that, and let it go, and focus on this game rather than turning this into a trolling flame war. Works so much better than feeding into his possible hope of a retaliatory post from you.
I almost got into it with somebody on these forums, and guess what? I decided that would be pointless. So I said to him, "Thank you, I appreciate your response." And since then we've had some positive posts back and forth. In these forums we're in the knowledge and speculation business, sharing what we know and asking about what we don't. That works so much better when we make friends rather than make enemies. You'll always have flamers and trollers, snarky responses, but you can't control that. All you can do is control your own response and do what you can to make these forums a better, more fun & interesting place. Hope this makes sense, and if all else fails, remember this great saying -
"Arguing with people online is like running in the special olympics, even if you win you're still retarded."
Yeah, well, I did your mom.
The dwarfs lives in the mountains, correct?
The dwarfs likes to build huge fortresses, correct?
The dwarfs are proud of their ancestors, their whole clan history, correct?
Add those three together, and you'll see what i mean.
Please note that Warcraft is an heavily Warhammer-inspired univers. Warhammer was there first, no doubt. Now what does that mean? No matter what Warcraft have done/do, WAR intends to stay true to the Warhammer setting. It is not -fair- to call it a clone, because it uses it's own setting. If some famous artist draw alot of paintings with his own special style, and some little brat copied it.. Would the famous artists new paintins be a rip-off on the kid, or just him doing what he always have done?
First I'm not going to shout that you should know the full history of Games Workshop, WoW etc, it's a bit silly and pointless. Not everyone can be expected to know all of this and I know that alot of people base their initial feelings about a game off of a little bit of info. I have been guilty of this with other games for sure. I believe you are right when you say that you won't be the last one with this opinion. It will happen alot more I am sure especially as we get closer to release.
I know that alot of people have expressed the opinion that Mythic is trying to "clone" WoW on purpose as well. Aside from the fact that the artwork is pretty different there are the general similarities most of which can be put down to the fact that yes Warcraft was originally based off of Warhammer. Games Workshop did not agree to liscence the game with Blizzard so Blizzard went their own way and have made a very successful game as far as subscriptions and definately $$$. An interesting thing to note, when WoW was set to be released in the EU my son was unsure if he wanted to get it. He was still holding out for the Warhammer game to be released. Of course we all know that version of the game was scrapped and Mythic eventually took on the task of creating it's own version of the game. Mythic have said they are not out to "dethrone" Wow by the way. Full respect to them for that. They are out to create their version of a much loved game and turn it into a really great RvR MMO. Something many of us had originally believed would be apart of the WoW universe and something I as a gamer certainly felt was lacking in the game was RvR. I think it's a bit unfair really that the comparisons happen given the history of Games Workshop and Warcraft but hey, it happens and it will keep happening no doubt.
I guess what it boils down to, is that I think Mythic is right NOT to throw out the style that Games Workshop is famous for. Games Workshop is right not to allow that to happen. Why would they even consider doing such a thing? So no one can accuse them of trying to be like WoW? Who cares really? I'm not quite sure what people think Mythic or Games Workshop were meant to do here. Would we be interested to play a Warhammer MMO if it looked nothing like the Warhammer Universe? I wouldn't. Of course besides the art "style" and even that isn't a copy, there isn't alot that IS similar. The whole basis of the game itself is different and the style is definately darker, the ugly is more defined and I believe it is definately far more in keeping with the Games Workshop style then with the Blizzard one.
By the way you mention the circular nature of some of the HUD elements (ie, compass/map, etc).. Well they could have made them square, but would they have been accused of copying someone else? Really there are only so many shapes they can choose from and a square compass for instance doesn't make alot of sense to me really
I have heard people complain that the character information window is at the bottom of the screen. If they had put that in the top left hand corner, would people complain even more that it looked like WoW? I think people should give Mythic a break here. There are only so many areas you can put the compass, so many shapes you can make it. The Warhammer world is and has always been a stylalised, exagerated world and I feel what I see of the HUD so far matches that perfectly. I'm sure you are aware that they are in the early stages still and alot could change over the next 12 months or so.
Anyway, I'm not sure where I am heading with this post, or why I even posted now I have finished my morning coffee?!? Funny how the brain works before caffiene is added! I guess I wanted to say I respect your opinions and concerns. I feel differently about alot of points but hey we aren't meant to think the same eh?
Well, please do forgive me, oh high Lord and Master and Overseer of all that is WAR, for I have clearly offended your righteous sensibilities with my shamelessly ignorant attempt at abbreviating the name of a game. Verily I should have first done my proper research and scoured the entire main site to see if an official abbreviation had been set in stone for all to use when addressing this most glorious collection of 1's and 0's. I do hope you can find it in your most sensible heart to forgive my despicable bastardizing of this most sacred of combined letters
</mock humility>
Seriously... that has got to be the absolute stupidest and most pointless thing I have ever been "berated" for. Get out of your chair. Walk outside and look around. See that? There's a whole other world out there. You should maybe experience it a bit more. Might help balance your perspective on things just a bit.
As for the same thread being posted every week/2 weeks.. guess what.. it's going to be posted many times more. Are you going to be there to chastise all those posters, too? Wouldn't it be easier to just.. oh I don't know.. don't bother *reading* such posts.. much less responding to them?
Get over it.
Although, in the back of my head, I know I should never bump a thread as overdone as this, I have something I'd like to say to the OP concerning his response here. Kill people with kindness. He wasn't especially nice about informing you of the correct Acronym (which is an abbreviation that sounds like a word or is a word, taking your example, WHO is the World Health Organization). Yet in your response you stooped to his level, and arguably below it. If you strip away the ad hominem (an attack used in debate that focuses on the person making the argument rather than the argument itself), he did increase your knowledge and educate you. You won't call it WHO again, will you? So thank him for that, and let it go, and focus on this game rather than turning this into a trolling flame war. Works so much better than feeding into his possible hope of a retaliatory post from you.
I almost got into it with somebody on these forums, and guess what? I decided that would be pointless. So I said to him, "Thank you, I appreciate your response." And since then we've had some positive posts back and forth. In these forums we're in the knowledge and speculation business, sharing what we know and asking about what we don't. That works so much better when we make friends rather than make enemies. You'll always have flamers and trollers, snarky responses, but you can't control that. All you can do is control your own response and do what you can to make these forums a better, more fun & interesting place. Hope this makes sense, and if all else fails, remember this great saying -
"Arguing with people online is like running in the special olympics, even if you win you're still retarded."
I know i was a little arsh in the first answer, but that's because there is even a small article talking about the WHO/WAR acronyms in the official site, and well... those kind of thread tend to make me loose pacience...sorry... you can read the article here
See for yourself..
http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f229/Shadowski/WAR%20Comparisons/Orc-Comparison.jpg
http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f229/Shadowski/WAR%20Comparisons/Goblin-Comparison.jpg
http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f229/Shadowski/WAR%20Comparisons/Dwarf-Comparison.jpg
on counterpart to the interfaces - the ones seen, arnt the final ones.
its just easier to get into(like the wow interface), so they placed them into the alpha.
ow and by the way, i havent really seen any dwarven statues(except the one in stormwind) in WOW... i played the game for like 1 year, i surely hope i am not wrong
so there is really nothing to compare the screenshot with, is there?
I'm great.
yeah the art style is very similar to wow IMO, its funny some of you guys try to post screenshots saying it looks completely different when in fact in does look similar.
however, most people know the reasoning behind this and a more accurate statement would be wow looks like warhammer. it is not a coincidence that warcraft even used a similar name to warhammer as well as similar lore and similar characters....they used a very similar art style to the warcraft miniatures that have been around alot longer than the warcraft seres.
ill admit, i don't know a whole lot about warhammer but that much i do know....i don't see why so many people get mad when someone says it looks like wow or compares it to wow.
in this day and age every single fantasy mmo being developed will be compared to wow, thats just how it is and you cant expect everyone to know the history of warhammer.
you cant expect all these people that play or once played wow to look at this game and possibly knowing very little about warhammer to not wonder why it looks similar to wow.
weather you agree or disagree with me i believe either way the war graphics/art style is done better than wows so far from what i have seen.
and the models are alot better as well so far, who cares if it looks similar to wow? it looks better IMO
Even now blizzard are aware that WAR could very well take away most if not all there players who are only really interested in WOW because of there so called PVP.TBC is blizzards attemt to bring back WORLD PVP because they know that WAR is lurking in the background.
WAR will be nothing like WOW gamewise because it is a RVR-PVP-PVE mmorpg in that order,not some PVE mmorpg with a bit of COUNTERSTRIKE type PVP thrown in.Mythic have made the best RVR-PVP mmorpg to date and done it 80% right and blizzard no they can never match MYHIC when it comes to PVP-RVR.
Alliance and Horde all collecting mats to open some new PVE RAID zone just shows how crap blizzards idea of PVP really is.WAR is about an eternal war and nothing comes in the way of that,you wont find enemys working together to open a raid zone,you wont find me playing agaist my own faction for Honor points.
Time travels fast and before youi no it WAR will be upon us....
This has got to be a dead-horse topic by now. Oh well... Its already been stated numerous times that WAR looks the way it does because, well, thats how Warhammer looks. Warhammer has this dark, quirky, fantasy look going on and so Mythic decided they wanted WAR to maintain the dark, quirky, fantasy look. I've also been told, much of the original inspiration for WarCraft is rooted in Warhammer, so any visual similarities can also be rooted there. And, to be honest, the only similarities between WoW and WAR are the fact that they both have this over-exaggerted cartoony look, but the two still look very different to me.
In fact, I see more similarities between DAoC and WAR, than WAR and WoW.
So before you accuse someone of plaugarism you need to check your facts and realise the people you need to be pointing fingers at is Blizzard not GW/Mythic.
So before you accuse someone of plaugarism you need to check your facts and realise the people you need to be pointing fingers at is Blizzard not GW/Mythic.
That is an urban myth.
I am pretty sure that it was infact Starcraft, that was supposed to be an WH40k game. GW just pulled the plug, while Blizzard decided to continue developing it.
WC was just a rip-off on WH.