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North Korea goes nuclear
HebrewBomb
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who will be next?
How Trilaterilists and CFR folks will react?
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Japan, South Korea
China will be more willing to "help"
South Korean guy about to become Secretary General of the UN.
Maybe something will be done! Hell, they might even make a angry statement!!
See this is why for years I have been arguing with Americans about the so called "doctrine of pre-emption".
As a super power your trump card is the notion that you might swat someones country like a bug. But when you lead with your trumps (doctrine of pre-emption) as every Bridge player knows, its madness and leaves you nothing to fall back on.
So now USA has played all its trumps on Iraq and is finding that a handful of used donkey sellers can pin down 120K of its troops for years..... Whats left to threaten NK with ??
NK can now basically proceed on its merry way with pretty much total certainty that no one is going to lift a finger to stop them. They have seen the worst the US can do and I doubt they find it very scary. Because the thought of being swatted is so much more compelling than the swatting itself.
Same with Iran and any other country that feels like doing something controversial at this point in time. They all know there is nothing anyone can do to stop them.
But what do I know.... Im just a hick from Oz. Im sure all the minds of the Whitehouse and the Pentagon have it under control. They have been doing such a great job up to now.... What me worry....
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yay for ending world war 2?
The argument that the US is the only country to drop nukes, while true...is also nothing more than a short sighted jab at America... I swear, I am sick of seeing this "well America is the only country to drop nukes" montra...it's so narrow and short sighted of an argument that it's almost not even worth debate.
Your argument is like a two legged dog with an eating disorder...weak and unbalanced.
yay for ending world war 2?
The argument that the US is the only country to drop nukes, while true...is also nothing more than a short sighted jab at America... I swear, I am sick of seeing this "well America is the only country to drop nukes" montra...it's so narrow and short sighted of an argument that it's almost not even worth debate.
Pretty much, yeah.
Almost every country that participated in World War II, did something we would frown upon today.
England throwing firebombs on german cities, killing plenty of civilians?
But you cannot throw it completely away. They did do that. The question is, what would the cost have been if they didn't do that?
Probaly alot of dead American soldiers, and alot of dead Japaneese citizens that wanted to fight. But then again, isn't that what the soldiers are for?
Dropping two nukes on the japanesee cities should forever be considered as a mark of shame upon the Americans. Just like the Germans consider the National Socialists a mark of shame, and therefor have strict rules in that field.
yay for ending world war 2?
The argument that the US is the only country to drop nukes, while true...is also nothing more than a short sighted jab at America... I swear, I am sick of seeing this "well America is the only country to drop nukes" montra...it's so narrow and short sighted of an argument that it's almost not even worth debate.
Whether it was actually necessary to drop the nukes on Japan is debatable, and there may not be a right or wrong answer. I do find it very hypocritical however, that other countries are not allowed to have nuclear technology.
yay for ending world war 2?
The argument that the US is the only country to drop nukes, while true...is also nothing more than a short sighted jab at America... I swear, I am sick of seeing this "well America is the only country to drop nukes" montra...it's so narrow and short sighted of an argument that it's almost not even worth debate.
Whether it was actually necessary to drop the nukes on Japan is debatable, and there may not be a right or wrong answer. I do find it very hypocritical however, that other countries are not allowed to have nuclear technology.
I find it to be less a matter of hypocracy and more a matter of global security...when countries like China and Russia get new military technology, they sell it to other people, namely terrorists in this case...so having yet another country such as North Korea with capabilities like this is quite disconserting. Especially given who their leader is...it's kinda sad too, I just doubt that Humans will make it out of this century alive.
Your argument is like a two legged dog with an eating disorder...weak and unbalanced.
Anyway sorry off my rant.
I do believe that our stanze over the years since the Cold War has made the world more dangerous. As my father says walk softly and carry a big stick. We used to do that. We used to be a sleeping giant. But these days we just want to throw our weight around. No one likes a bully.
But nations such as Russia, China, France, The UK, Israel and The US (at least since WWII) haven't used any of their nuclear weapons as an act of war. We have all had plenty of chances. But how long do you think that it will take nations like Iran and North Korea to use them? Or more importantly how long until they let a third party take control of one? They are called Rogue nations for a reason. The reason? Because they don't use reason and logic behind what they do. KJI starved thousands and thousands of his people in search of the bomb. Anyone willing to do that is willing to use such a weapon without much thought of human life. Also Iran repeatedly says they will wipe destory the Jews given the chance. You can't let crackpots like these have control of such weapons.
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The use of the bomb on Japan was dicussed at the Potsdam Conference between Truman, Churchill and Stalin, so it was not just the US unilaterally deciding to drop the bomb in a Homer Simpson like moment. The interesting part of that conference was that Truman and Churchill discussed how to tell Stalin the US has such a weapon. At the end of one of the sessions Stalin was packing up to leave, and Truman asked Stalin, if the US had a weapon that could end the war with Japan without invading the Japanese home isles, should they use it. Stalin replied yes, you should definately use it, finished packing up, and left, without inquiring what the weapon would be. Churchill and Truman both looked at each other, and agreed that Stalin knew we had the bomb, and what the capabilities of the bomb were.
One thing, the fall of the Soviet Union was a definate turning point in human history, because it made the world less safe. For all the bluster and positioning during the Cold War, the Soviets and the US controlled their satellites. Had the Soviet Union continued to exist, Saddam never would have gotten permission to invade Kuwait. All conflict was kept at the insurgency level. In 1973, when Israel was on the verge of entering Damascus and Cairo, the Soviets told the US that Soviet airborne forces would intervene into Tel Aviv. The US response was that would violate Turkish (NATO) airspace, to which the Soviets replied "yes". The leash was immediately yanked in on Israel, and the 1973 war ended. Anyway, nobody needed the bomb when covered by the US/Soviet umbrella, and it was in the interests of the US/Soviets to stay top dog by making sure their satellites didn't develope one. Now the balance of terror is undone, countries see only threats, with no friendly guarantees.
Now people see why "the war on terror" is a bullshit war today real danger to not only the states but the rest of the world came into clear and obvious focus and the worlds police (NATO & UN but mainly the UK and USA military) is bogged down in our generations Vietnam.
Tin Foil hats dont work.. its all a conspiracy
This is so worrying. It also highlights just how much of a farse the 'war on terror' is. Do you see america and it's allies rushing to attack and bring down North Korea, when it has proven it's got massive nuclear capability? Nope, why? Ahh yea, they actually pose a REAL threat, we wouldn't wanna attack anyone that might.. win!
The use of the bomb on Japan was dicussed at the Potsdam Conference between Truman, Churchill and Stalin, so it was not just the US unilaterally deciding to drop the bomb in a Homer Simpson like moment. The interesting part of that conference was that Truman and Churchill discussed how to tell Stalin the US has such a weapon. At the end of one of the sessions Stalin was packing up to leave, and Truman asked Stalin, if the US had a weapon that could end the war with Japan without invading the Japanese home isles, should they use it. Stalin replied yes, you should definately use it, finished packing up, and left, without inquiring what the weapon would be. Churchill and Truman both looked at each other, and agreed that Stalin knew we had the bomb, and what the capabilities of the bomb were.
One thing, the fall of the Soviet Union was a definate turning point in human history, because it made the world less safe. For all the bluster and positioning during the Cold War, the Soviets and the US controlled their satellites. Had the Soviet Union continued to exist, Saddam never would have gotten permission to invade Kuwait. All conflict was kept at the insurgency level. In 1973, when Israel was on the verge of entering Damascus and Cairo, the Soviets told the US that Soviet airborne forces would intervene into Tel Aviv. The US response was that would violate Turkish (NATO) airspace, to which the Soviets replied "yes". The leash was immediately yanked in on Israel, and the 1973 war ended. Anyway, nobody needed the bomb when covered by the US/Soviet umbrella, and it was in the interests of the US/Soviets to stay top dog by making sure their satellites didn't develope one. Now the balance of terror is undone, countries see only threats, with no friendly guarantees.
I have to agree sadley WWII never really ended. for that matter WWI never did either and the cold war was WWIII (this depends on who you talk to) but it was fought by proxy mainley in South american states, african States and asia. it still killed millions world wide.
Tin Foil hats dont work.. its all a conspiracy
I think they found it pretty scarey. Scarey enough to live in fear and repression for 60 years. Scarey enough to starve themselves to stay militarily strong.
As much as I am pleased for Korea, I don't like to see the Status Quo shaken. It's been working for me so far.
America and it's allies did rush to bring down North Korea.
They were unsuccessful.
Yeah, they were. I'm not a history know-it-all (in fact, quite the opposide) but I think it was just for germany.
Japan would make a nuclear warhead that, instead of exploding and causing nuclear winter, would fire kittens and hentai at it's unsuspecting victims.
Now every leader in democratic nation in the world is going to look at their voters who will damn a politician who wants to start a war. They will then save their careers by saying no to war and giving korea aid, again (remember the last time they came forward with this news?), in exchange for them stopping the nuclear weapons program.
The next step after another decade of giving them aide is N. Korea landing a rocket in the US to prove they can stretch across the world.
Cant argue with that
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