Originally posted by Shayde Only good that came out of the nge was my savings of 180 bucks this year.
To think it did any good by accellerating its demise is, shall we say, kooky? Better to kill the game off quickly than let us play it for a couple years enjoying the game we loved?
Pre-cu, the game was steadily improving. There were setbacks like Jedi... but those were controllable.
OK then.
Well, if the game still would've existed, I believe it would be a ghost at this point. What did they actually fix and how long didn't it take for them to do so? To me all fixes only added more annoying elements that wasen't fixed. I actually left the game the first time because the Bounty Hunter missions were bugged. 7/10 missions were bugged. And I left the game the second time because the Jedi took over it. Who ever wanted to go Overt when there were only jedi around waving their sabers at bright daylight at an open street showing off like a little kid who just got his new bicycle? The PvP was dead. Simple as that. The GCW too since there was no point of it anymore since there were nothing to destroy/take control of.
I'd hate it if everyone would just remember SWG as "oh that bugged and annoying game". Now it never got that far. Now it's the game that "was taken away from us". And that's what matters more to me.
$OE lies list http://www.rlmmo.com/viewtopic.php?t=424&start=0 " And I don't want to hear anything about "I don't believe in vampires" because *I* don't believe in vampires, but I believe in my own two eyes, and what *I* saw is ******* vampires! "
Well, if the game still would've existed, I believe it would be a ghost at this point. What did they actually fix and how long didn't it take for them to do so? To me all fixes only added more annoying elements that wasen't fixed. I actually left the game the first time because the Bounty Hunter missions were bugged. 7/10 missions were bugged. And I left the game the second time because the Jedi took over it. Who ever wanted to go Overt when there were only jedi around waving their sabers at bright daylight at an open street showing off like a little kid who just got his new bicycle? The PvP was dead. Simple as that. The GCW too since there was no point of it anymore since there were nothing to destroy/take control of.
Well, you got your wish. Now there's no more Jedi. Oh, wait. NGE. Everyone is Jedi.
So, did you leave because the combat was too slow? Because the game was unstarwarsy? Because Han didn't hold your hand?
No. You left because of bugs. And how can you possible argument that NGE was good, when you were annoyed by masses of Jedi. And what is the point of GCW now? You grind for mando armor, nothing more.
And answer this: Did you respec into Jedi post-NGE?
I think this snared up pretty well and that was one of the leading reasons to make the CU. Like a "fast sollution to year long problems". Of course it failed. And what was even the point with the combat levels? It worked out fine without them. Like the game was gonna become any better because the crafters got "one hit killed" on a regular basis everyday? Don't think so.
Anyway it's all too obvious that the NGE was "needed" because they simply lost track of the game. Who knows what happened over there but the old team must have died or quit their jobs. The new team are probably just inexperienced people working with online games for the first time of their lifes. And believing that "simpleness" is the sollution to everything.
Once again you're mixing stuff up. Nobody asked for CU. They asked for fixes, which wasn't CU.
They messed up, and instead of fixing stuff then, by leaving original game as it was, and fixing that, they brought in CU.
So, they have a decent, but bugged game. They attempt to fix design issues by CU. Once that fails, they bring in NGE to fix their own mistakes. And that is a good thing?
Yes, you are target audience. Someone who complained all the time over everything and hated the game. Now you have your easy mode and it's a good thing. Unfortunately, your logic falls apart, when you say NGE is good because they screwed things up by themselves. It's not a good thing, since it was based on false premise. If CU fails, you do not do even more of it. You rethink and go back.
if you lose track, you don't pick an even worse direction to follow. You go back to the track. Anything else is a failure. Your justifications are simply Stockholm syndrome. "Oh, the terrorist aren't that bad. Yes, we were tied up in a small dark room for 7 weeks with no toilet, but they have the right cause, so we support them." Terrorism is bad. Period. You can never possibly justify it.
But you're forgetting that there were many people who liked the original game. Who dealt with bugs. And the numbers speak for themselves. The community was stable, although it was dwindling. But then again, with 0 investment into pre-cu, that's no wonder. Does that justify NGE? Especially in light of CU? No. It goes to show complete and utter management incompetence. There is nothing good about it.
Originally posted by DuraheLL Originally posted by Shayde Only good that came out of the nge was my savings of 180 bucks this year.
To think it did any good by accellerating its demise is, shall we say, kooky? Better to kill the game off quickly than let us play it for a couple years enjoying the game we loved?
Pre-cu, the game was steadily improving. There were setbacks like Jedi... but those were controllable.
OK then.
Well, if the game still would've existed, I believe it would be a ghost at this point. What did they actually fix and how long didn't it take for them to do so? To me all fixes only added more annoying elements that wasen't fixed. I actually left the game the first time because the Bounty Hunter missions were bugged. 7/10 missions were bugged. And I left the game the second time because the Jedi took over it. Who ever wanted to go Overt when there were only jedi around waving their sabers at bright daylight at an open street showing off like a little kid who just got his new bicycle? The PvP was dead. Simple as that. The GCW too since there was no point of it anymore since there were nothing to destroy/take control of.
I'd hate it if everyone would just remember SWG as "oh that bugged and annoying game". Now it never got that far. Now it's the game that "was taken away from us". And that's what matters more to me.
Everyone I know and played the game with would STILL be playing today if the pre-cu game was there. We're dying for it to make a return.
The Jedi wouldn't have been a problem if they had pre-cu code. Hunting them before was much easier than after.
If PVP and the GCU was all you saw the game to be, you'd love it now. But it really wasn't all the game truly was.
Shayde - SWG (dead) Proud member of the Cabal.
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Originally posted by DuraheLL Originally posted by Nasedoo oh my gosh............. some one take this one i can't hardly any more of this morons love for the NGE...
I can't possible give you any credit at all for not even reading the very FIRST sentence in my post.
"I am starting to think that the NGE incident actually is something positive. And calm down now before you read the whole thing, don't get too hateful already."
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you only read this far ""I am starting to think that the NGE incident actually is something positive..."
I did read the whole post and my reply was meant to be taken in jest. I understand fully what you are trying to say here, my reading comprehension is not in question. I agree with some of what you say but I still disagree in a way.
I would rather have still had my bug ridden game with fixes and expansions added up to this point rather than NGE to hasten it's demise.
I don't agree that all the fixes they added were bad, I even enjoyed some elements of CU to a small extent, but still when you see all the wasted effort and time put into it when none of us asked for it and it was fundamentally flawed from it's (CU) own design... I don't see it as a good thing and just shake my head wondering what in the hell happened....
Well, you got your wish. Now there's no more Jedi. Oh, wait. NGE. Everyone is Jedi.
So, did you leave because the combat was too slow? Because the game was unstarwarsy? Because Han didn't hold your hand?
No. You left because of bugs. And how can you possible argument that NGE was good, when you were annoyed by masses of Jedi. And what is the point of GCW now? You grind for mando armor, nothing more.
And answer this: Did you respec into Jedi post-NGE?
Might I offer you a 180 gram super sized hamburger menue while actively flaming like you are right now?
I don't know for heaven's sake how someone can be so far out the bushes like you are now son...
$OE lies list http://www.rlmmo.com/viewtopic.php?t=424&start=0 " And I don't want to hear anything about "I don't believe in vampires" because *I* don't believe in vampires, but I believe in my own two eyes, and what *I* saw is ******* vampires! "
Originally posted by Rekrul Well, you got your wish. Now there's no more Jedi. Oh, wait. NGE. Everyone is Jedi.
So, did you leave because the combat was too slow? Because the game was unstarwarsy? Because Han didn't hold your hand?
No. You left because of bugs. And how can you possible argument that NGE was good, when you were annoyed by masses of Jedi. And what is the point of GCW now? You grind for mando armor, nothing more.
And answer this: Did you respec into Jedi post-NGE?
Might I offer you a 180 gram super sized hamburger menue while actively flaming like you are right now?
I don't know for heaven's sake how someone can be so far out the bushes like you are now son...
You didn't answer any of my questions... Nor refute any of my points...
Once again you're mixing stuff up. Nobody asked for CU. They asked for fixes, which wasn't CU.
>>With all the problems they had I don't think regular "fixes" could truly make it that decent in the long run. I'd feel that they'd have to shut down the game for some time and make some surgery to the core of the game.
The CU was only composite crap. A think layer of foil wrapped around the game. Very easy to see through.
They messed up, and instead of fixing stuff then, by leaving original game as it was, and fixing that, they brought in CU.
So, they have a decent, but bugged game. They attempt to fix design issues by CU. Once that fails, they bring in NGE to fix their own mistakes. And that is a good thing?
>>The "good" thing is that even though the game was snatched from our purses, we finally got to see how much they never cared about the game in the first place. That all promised to us wasen't ever going to happen and that even though the game might have worked it still wouldn't with a team like theirs.
Yes, you are target audience. Someone who complained all the time over everything and hated the game. Now you have your easy mode and it's a good thing. Unfortunately, your logic falls apart, when you say NGE is good because they screwed things up by themselves. It's not a good thing, since it was based on false premise. If CU fails, you do not do even more of it. You rethink and go back.
>>Before we'd have to face any more of this horror, the game was removed, headshot style. The kick in the groin. It simply got so horrific that anyone who loved SWG simply couldn't even bare to look at it anymore. We should be happy they didn't make CU2, 3, 4 and on to the eternity. NGE was the headshot that would kill it for good.
Sure I miss the game, it was my #1 game of all time. but I also feel released that I don't have to deal with SOE and their mess anymore. And we'll see when the next Star Wars mmorpg shows up. Since right now it has to.
$OE lies list http://www.rlmmo.com/viewtopic.php?t=424&start=0 " And I don't want to hear anything about "I don't believe in vampires" because *I* don't believe in vampires, but I believe in my own two eyes, and what *I* saw is ******* vampires! "
Originally posted by Rekrul Originally posted by DuraheLL
>>Ok here you go Originally posted by Rekrul Well, you got your wish. Now there's no more Jedi. Oh, wait. NGE. Everyone is Jedi.
>>what wish?
So, did you leave because the combat was too slow? Because the game was unstarwarsy? Because Han didn't hold your hand? >>I left SWG in frustration because of it's unstableness, and the NGE because it wasen't even a percentege the musslepower that SWG was.
And how can you possible argument that NGE was good, when you were annoyed by masses of Jedi. And what is the point of GCW now? You grind for mando armor, nothing more.
>>This is where you are out on the fields riding a horse. I never said the NGE was good.
And answer this: Did you respec into Jedi post-NGE? >>No
You didn't answer any of my questions... Nor refute any of my points...
$OE lies list http://www.rlmmo.com/viewtopic.php?t=424&start=0 " And I don't want to hear anything about "I don't believe in vampires" because *I* don't believe in vampires, but I believe in my own two eyes, and what *I* saw is ******* vampires! "
It's amazing how many people misundersttod the OP. He said NGE was good ONLY because it was an excuse to drop a bad game.
It's also amazing how many people loved SWG. The game was not good. There were no STAR nor WARS in that game for at least a full year. Your introduction the the Star Wars mythos was shooting animals and running long distances to empty cities. Good luck fighting humanoids. There was no content until the Warren. There were no challenges until the Corvette. If you wanted to be any kind of crafter you really had to grind parts that you couldn't sell. The devs realized this and added a practice button so you wouldn't have 1,000 droid brains.
I'm not saying NGE was good, heck I left before the CU because the game wasn't good then. NGE may be really honked up, but it has provided one good thing I can see in the history of SWG, Smuggler content and skill. Good lord! How did they launch a game and not provide anything for the iconic characters of the movies? I understand Jedi not being around, but no smuggling? The smugglers were in the game in name only. They spliced guns and made drugs, yeah, that's why we thought Han was cool.
I will say that the skill system was great and the community was great. Other than that, Star Wars Battlefront was a better online/multiplayer Star Wars game.
Give a man fire and he''s warm for a day. Set a man on fire and he''s warm the rest of his life.
I'm not saying NGE was good, heck I left before the CU because the game wasn't good then. NGE may be really honked up, but it has provided one good thing I can see in the history of SWG, Smuggler content and skill. Good lord! How did they launch a game and not provide anything for the iconic characters of the movies? I understand Jedi not being around, but no smuggling? The smugglers were in the game in name only. They spliced guns and made drugs, yeah, that's why we thought Han was cool.
Smuggling has nothing to do with NGE. This is absurd. What stopped them from adding the exactly same type of missions into pre-cu. Name one reason. They are delivery missions, nothing more. TEF, overt status, bounty terminals - everything was there.
These arguments relating to something that NGE brought are completely misinterpreted. Everything, and I mean, everything, that NGE offers right now, could not only be added at any time pre-cu, it could have been added instead of CU or NGE.
Instead, they chose to first get rid of entire playerbase, then add the content they were lying about through their teeth for years.
Why aren't people flocking back into game then. Were the smuggler delivery missions really the big problem that caused everyone to leave? And if it was, why didn't they simply add another mission terminal with this content.
Yes, these additions are good. But between the time this was requested and required, there was 1 year of apathy, CU, NGE, lies, deceit, fraud and the last exodus.
Now it simply doesn't matter anymore. These changes would have been considered a welcome improvement two years ago. Now they are the proverbial chairs on the Titanic. Nothing more.
I'm not saying NGE was good, heck I left before the CU because the game wasn't good then. NGE may be really honked up, but it has provided one good thing I can see in the history of SWG, Smuggler content and skill. Good lord! How did they launch a game and not provide anything for the iconic characters of the movies? I understand Jedi not being around, but no smuggling? The smugglers were in the game in name only. They spliced guns and made drugs, yeah, that's why we thought Han was cool.
Smuggling has nothing to do with NGE. This is absurd. What stopped them from adding the exactly same type of missions into pre-cu. Name one reason. They are delivery missions, nothing more. TEF, overt status, bounty terminals - everything was there.
These arguments relating to something that NGE brought are completely misinterpreted. Everything, and I mean, everything, that NGE offers right now, could not only be added at any time pre-cu, it could have been added instead of CU or NGE.
Such a good point and a big reason why the nge still galls me --> its just so unnecessary.
Originally posted by Netherbeast I'm not saying NGE was good, heck I left before the CU because the game wasn't good then. NGE may be really honked up, but it has provided one good thing I can see in the history of SWG, Smuggler content and skill. Good lord! How did they launch a game and not provide anything for the iconic characters of the movies? I understand Jedi not being around, but no smuggling? The smugglers were in the game in name only. They spliced guns and made drugs, yeah, that's why we thought Han was cool.
Eh, no.
They could have done any of that prior to CU. Devs promised Smugglers for 2 years prior to the CU and NGE that they were working on a Smuggling content. Hell they went so far as to say they were polishing up skills at one point. The NGE did not bring this.
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Well, if the game still would've existed, I believe it would be a ghost at this point. What did they actually fix and how long didn't it take for them to do so? To me all fixes only added more annoying elements that wasen't fixed. I actually left the game the first time because the Bounty Hunter missions were bugged. 7/10 missions were bugged. And I left the game the second time because the Jedi took over it. Who ever wanted to go Overt when there were only jedi around waving their sabers at bright daylight at an open street showing off like a little kid who just got his new bicycle? The PvP was dead. Simple as that. The GCW too since there was no point of it anymore since there were nothing to destroy/take control of.
I'd hate it if everyone would just remember SWG as "oh that bugged and annoying game". Now it never got that far. Now it's the game that "was taken away from us". And that's what matters more to me.
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And I don't want to hear anything about "I don't believe in vampires" because *I* don't believe in vampires, but I believe in my own two eyes, and what *I* saw is ******* vampires! "
Well, if the game still would've existed, I believe it would be a ghost at this point. What did they actually fix and how long didn't it take for them to do so? To me all fixes only added more annoying elements that wasen't fixed. I actually left the game the first time because the Bounty Hunter missions were bugged. 7/10 missions were bugged. And I left the game the second time because the Jedi took over it. Who ever wanted to go Overt when there were only jedi around waving their sabers at bright daylight at an open street showing off like a little kid who just got his new bicycle? The PvP was dead. Simple as that. The GCW too since there was no point of it anymore since there were nothing to destroy/take control of.
Well, you got your wish. Now there's no more Jedi. Oh, wait. NGE. Everyone is Jedi.
So, did you leave because the combat was too slow? Because the game was unstarwarsy? Because Han didn't hold your hand?
No. You left because of bugs. And how can you possible argument that NGE was good, when you were annoyed by masses of Jedi. And what is the point of GCW now? You grind for mando armor, nothing more.
And answer this: Did you respec into Jedi post-NGE?
I think this snared up pretty well and that was one of the leading reasons to make the CU. Like a "fast sollution to year long problems". Of course it failed. And what was even the point with the combat levels? It worked out fine without them. Like the game was gonna become any better because the crafters got "one hit killed" on a regular basis everyday? Don't think so.
Anyway it's all too obvious that the NGE was "needed" because they simply lost track of the game. Who knows what happened over there but the old team must have died or quit their jobs. The new team are probably just inexperienced people working with online games for the first time of their lifes. And believing that "simpleness" is the sollution to everything.
Once again you're mixing stuff up. Nobody asked for CU. They asked for fixes, which wasn't CU.
They messed up, and instead of fixing stuff then, by leaving original game as it was, and fixing that, they brought in CU.
So, they have a decent, but bugged game. They attempt to fix design issues by CU. Once that fails, they bring in NGE to fix their own mistakes. And that is a good thing?
Yes, you are target audience. Someone who complained all the time over everything and hated the game. Now you have your easy mode and it's a good thing. Unfortunately, your logic falls apart, when you say NGE is good because they screwed things up by themselves. It's not a good thing, since it was based on false premise. If CU fails, you do not do even more of it. You rethink and go back.
if you lose track, you don't pick an even worse direction to follow. You go back to the track. Anything else is a failure. Your justifications are simply Stockholm syndrome. "Oh, the terrorist aren't that bad. Yes, we were tied up in a small dark room for 7 weeks with no toilet, but they have the right cause, so we support them." Terrorism is bad. Period. You can never possibly justify it.
But you're forgetting that there were many people who liked the original game. Who dealt with bugs. And the numbers speak for themselves. The community was stable, although it was dwindling. But then again, with 0 investment into pre-cu, that's no wonder. Does that justify NGE? Especially in light of CU? No. It goes to show complete and utter management incompetence. There is nothing good about it.
Well, if the game still would've existed, I believe it would be a ghost at this point. What did they actually fix and how long didn't it take for them to do so? To me all fixes only added more annoying elements that wasen't fixed. I actually left the game the first time because the Bounty Hunter missions were bugged. 7/10 missions were bugged. And I left the game the second time because the Jedi took over it. Who ever wanted to go Overt when there were only jedi around waving their sabers at bright daylight at an open street showing off like a little kid who just got his new bicycle? The PvP was dead. Simple as that. The GCW too since there was no point of it anymore since there were nothing to destroy/take control of.
I'd hate it if everyone would just remember SWG as "oh that bugged and annoying game". Now it never got that far. Now it's the game that "was taken away from us". And that's what matters more to me.
Everyone I know and played the game with would STILL be playing today if the pre-cu game was there. We're dying for it to make a return.
The Jedi wouldn't have been a problem if they had pre-cu code. Hunting them before was much easier than after.
If PVP and the GCU was all you saw the game to be, you'd love it now. But it really wasn't all the game truly was.
Shayde - SWG (dead)
Proud member of the Cabal.
It sounds great, so great in fact, I pitty those who canceled
I don't like it when you say things. - A Vanguard fan who does too.
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"I am starting to think that the NGE incident actually is something positive. And calm down now before you read the whole thing, don't get too hateful already."
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you only read this far ""I am starting to think that the NGE incident actually is something positive..."
I did read the whole post and my reply was meant to be taken in jest. I understand fully what you are trying to say here, my reading comprehension is not in question. I agree with some of what you say but I still disagree in a way.
I would rather have still had my bug ridden game with fixes and expansions added up to this point rather than NGE to hasten it's demise.
I don't agree that all the fixes they added were bad, I even enjoyed some elements of CU to a small extent, but still when you see all the wasted effort and time put into it when none of us asked for it and it was fundamentally flawed from it's (CU) own design... I don't see it as a good thing and just shake my head wondering what in the hell happened....
Might I offer you a 180 gram super sized hamburger menue while actively flaming like you are right now?
I don't know for heaven's sake how someone can be so far out the bushes like you are now son...
$OE lies list
http://www.rlmmo.com/viewtopic.php?t=424&start=0
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And I don't want to hear anything about "I don't believe in vampires" because *I* don't believe in vampires, but I believe in my own two eyes, and what *I* saw is ******* vampires! "
Might I offer you a 180 gram super sized hamburger menue while actively flaming like you are right now?
I don't know for heaven's sake how someone can be so far out the bushes like you are now son...
You didn't answer any of my questions... Nor refute any of my points...
$OE lies list
http://www.rlmmo.com/viewtopic.php?t=424&start=0
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And I don't want to hear anything about "I don't believe in vampires" because *I* don't believe in vampires, but I believe in my own two eyes, and what *I* saw is ******* vampires! "
$OE lies list
http://www.rlmmo.com/viewtopic.php?t=424&start=0
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And I don't want to hear anything about "I don't believe in vampires" because *I* don't believe in vampires, but I believe in my own two eyes, and what *I* saw is ******* vampires! "
It's also amazing how many people loved SWG. The game was not good. There were no STAR nor WARS in that game for at least a full year. Your introduction the the Star Wars mythos was shooting animals and running long distances to empty cities. Good luck fighting humanoids. There was no content until the Warren. There were no challenges until the Corvette. If you wanted to be any kind of crafter you really had to grind parts that you couldn't sell. The devs realized this and added a practice button so you wouldn't have 1,000 droid brains.
I'm not saying NGE was good, heck I left before the CU because the game wasn't good then. NGE may be really honked up, but it has provided one good thing I can see in the history of SWG, Smuggler content and skill. Good lord! How did they launch a game and not provide anything for the iconic characters of the movies? I understand Jedi not being around, but no smuggling? The smugglers were in the game in name only. They spliced guns and made drugs, yeah, that's why we thought Han was cool.
I will say that the skill system was great and the community was great. Other than that, Star Wars Battlefront was a better online/multiplayer Star Wars game.
Give a man fire and he''s warm for a day. Set a man on fire and he''s warm the rest of his life.
These arguments relating to something that NGE brought are completely misinterpreted. Everything, and I mean, everything, that NGE offers right now, could not only be added at any time pre-cu, it could have been added instead of CU or NGE.
Instead, they chose to first get rid of entire playerbase, then add the content they were lying about through their teeth for years.
Why aren't people flocking back into game then. Were the smuggler delivery missions really the big problem that caused everyone to leave? And if it was, why didn't they simply add another mission terminal with this content.
Yes, these additions are good. But between the time this was requested and required, there was 1 year of apathy, CU, NGE, lies, deceit, fraud and the last exodus.
Now it simply doesn't matter anymore. These changes would have been considered a welcome improvement two years ago. Now they are the proverbial chairs on the Titanic. Nothing more.
These arguments relating to something that NGE brought are completely misinterpreted. Everything, and I mean, everything, that NGE offers right now, could not only be added at any time pre-cu, it could have been added instead of CU or NGE.
Such a good point and a big reason why the nge still galls me --> its just so unnecessary.
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Eh, no.
They could have done any of that prior to CU. Devs promised Smugglers for 2 years prior to the CU and NGE that they were working on a Smuggling content. Hell they went so far as to say they were polishing up skills at one point. The NGE did not bring this.
"If we don't attack them, they will attack us first. So we'd better retaliate before they have a chance to strike"