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Glibglib · March 2004

"Pah..."

Hey guys, I'm looking for a new MMORPG, and I've heard some talk about this Liniage 2, you all seem to know your stuff about Liniage 2. So tell me (if you even care to), why should I get this game? What's the point of it? What are the cons and the pros? Thanks.

RaptorStorm · March 2004

http://www.lineage2.com/news/press_view.asp?boardid=3&seq=206&cpage=1&k=9

Those are my views... seen through a broken glass.
-Raptor

Rad_Roofer · March 2004

Damn....it sounds just too good to be true! I can't believe the game is finally coming out!

http://www.simulatedsports.com

http://www.hattrick.org

Yordo · March 2004

This is one of the bigger games coming out in the next few months. It has been highly anticipated from the success of the original Lineage and so far, even from the closed beta, it seems to be very popular and most are enjoying it. Of course, like all games, it has its ups and downs. Anyways, here are some of my opinions about it from participating in the closed beta.

First off, if you don't like PvP, this game is not for you. It is that simple. The Devs say that you don't have to be into it, but it is a major part of the game and that is where most of the advanced gameplay options come in later in the game. You don't have to join a clan, but the world of Lineage 2 revolves around PvP.

Second, I would not suggest this game as one for beginners in the MMO world. If you have never played MMORPG's, I would not suggest trying this one out. The learning curve is a bit steeper than all of the other games I have played. It's a bit confusing at the beginning with where to go and such, but if you have some familiarity with these games, you should have no problem.

Now to some of the positives ...which if I might say, this game has a lot of them.

1) Good graphics: The whole layout and design of the world is amazing, and the graphics will just make you sit there and wonder with awe .....Of course, you need a decent video card to take advantage of their real potential.

2) PvP: Like I said above, Lineage 2 revolves around PvP...if you like PvP, get this game! If you don't, well, you just missed out on the best PvP based game out there.

3) Decent Quests, So-So loot: The quests in this game are fun and really help at the beginning levels, but at the very beginning levels, meaning lvls 1-5, there aren't many things or quests for people to do except the main initiation ones. So, my advice, get to a higher lvl .....Loot is one thing I am very picky about, and not many games supply me with what I think is a good loot system. Really, the only thing low level monsters drop is coins, and a rare bad item....So don't get your hopes up on the loot.

I would give Lineage 2 a 4 out of 5 stars......of course, these are my views. Enjoy playing if you choose to do so

darknigh7th · March 2004

i'm on the beta right now, and it's probably one of the best i have played yet.

Don't make me comma in there and kill you..

thenewt · March 2004

I've done a little in the closed beta myself. As others have said there are some ups.. and some downs. This is a heavy PvP game, as is advertised.. But.. you will find more of a griefing, random player killing, and very childish behavior on part of a lot of the community. Now this may very well change as the game moves from closed beta.. to open beta.. and finally to retail. While the sieges, and organized player vs. player sounds like a LOT of fun, you are more likely to run into the "let's go kill all the newbies" attitude.

All I can really do is hope that this behavior changes as the game matures, as I have said, these observations are from a some experienced in the closed beta, and some reading of the lineage II official forums.

Rad_Roofer · March 2004

I have not come across many "griefers" or "noob killers".

There are those out there who do so, but they are generally being killed on sight by the rest of the community!

As far as this game goes....UNBELIEVABLE graphics! I wish there was more stuff to do with the initial character setup, but that certainly not a prohibitive part of the game. And who knows, when the game is released, it may even have more accessibility than the beta allows.

http://www.simulatedsports.com

http://www.hattrick.org

thenewt · March 2004

I'm glad you haven't come across many of these.. type of people. I might have tried to start in the wrong "location" when I began my participation in the beta program.

Do you have any specific recommendations about what place "race" I should begin with to make it a easier environment to test aspects of the game without dealing with being "one-hit-killed" by a level 20ish person every few minutes when I just start out.

Thanks in advance for the advice!

jagwarr · March 2004

I have played about 50 hours and only had 2 people engage me. The first guy hit me twice and then ran away and the second time was yesterday. Which I fought and lost.

For whatever reason the Orc area seemed to have the least amount of griefers around, so you might try one of them first.

They have a pretty good system set up to discourage random Pk's/griefers. You could play the game and not get too involved with 1v1 fighting if you wanted but keep in mind the game really is about massive group/clan pvp battles. I wouldn't let the thought of PK's keep anyone from playing though. It's going to happen of course, but it's not out of control. Thier web site explains how it works I think.

The open beta still hasn't started so it's worth a try. Even if you haven't signed up for beta with them, you can still buy one of those pre-orders and play right away.

thenewt · March 2004

I'll be sure to give that area a try, thank you again for the advice.

Misti · March 2004

I am in the beta and totally love this game. In my opinion there are no other mmorpgs that can compete with Lineage 2 right now. When they come out WoW and EQ2 may but for the current crop of games this one is way ahead of the others.

I personally don't really like pvp much but am enjoying the game a great deal anyway. I have been playing a dark elf and have never been killed by another player so I have been fortunate enough to avoid any griefing that may be going on. I feel safe pretty much no matter where I am or what I am doing.

I do agree that a big chunk of the community are immature and I am amazed many of them weren't drowned by their parents when they were younger but occasionally you do meet some great people in game too.

Hopefully much of the bad crowd will move on after release.

A few things could use tweaking, like more incentives to group and a faction system for the merchants and guards but all in all its very well done.

A word of warning though, this game is a long haul (which I like) and not for those who just want to level up quickly and do end game things. Leveling takes a lot of time and effort as does getting the equipment you want. If you enjoy or don't mind that the game is lots of fun but if you tend to cry "GRIND!" often you will probably not enjoy the game long.

Rad_Roofer · March 2004

As it is now, you don't know the level of the player your going to attack...so your taking a big risk in attacking because you may be attacking a higher level player.

That, of course, may change once the /who capability is put into place.

But either way, I've only been killed 2 times, and they both happened to be 1 hitters when I was lvl 1. When I got to the higher levels, I haven't come accross many griefers. But they are out there.

But no matter what.....IT IS A FREAKIN' FUN GAME.....the possibilty that the guy running by me, may be coming to attack me, keeps me paying attention and aware, not to mention, on the edge of my seat.

http://www.simulatedsports.com

http://www.hattrick.org

thenewt · March 2004

I'll have to be sure to visit the Dark Elf village too, many have said that griefing isn't really tolerated in that starting area, but, things might have changed.

I'm debating weather to try to resume beta testing so close to their move to the open beta phase, or to just wait it out and start testing again when they do start open beta, which is supposedly soon, maybe in a week or two?

The official Lineage II message boards are.. whew.. rank with immaturity and a lot of namecalling, I even glimpsed a few racial slurs on the boards as well. Misti is completely right in that a good portion of the community is quite immature. I can't remember if I already said that or not..

Anyway there is a lot of potential in this game as well. One of the big measures for me in any MMORPG is the the community in general, and beyond that the roleplaying community within that community.

Hmm.. I'm rambling.. sorry, I'll stop it now, hehe.

Rad_Roofer · March 2004

Honestly.....can you even think of a game where there aren't immature people??

And even moreso, can you name a game's messageboard which has not been said to be immature??

No matter where you go, what game you play, MMORPG message boards are full of immaturity!

http://www.simulatedsports.com

http://www.hattrick.org

Misti · March 2004

Immature people in game or on the boards isn't a new thing Rad, its just that with Lineage 2 right now its such a large chunk of the population that its overwhelming.

If you read the boards or even just listen into some of the chat in game you quickly get an idea of how disturbed some of these individuals are. I mean we all know there are some hate filled, uneducated and dangerous people out in the world but to see such a concentration of them sure is unsettling and not very conducive of a strong community.

Anytime you have a large pvp element in a game this crowd of social misfits seems to be attracted like flies. Fortunately like I said earlier, I have run into some intelligent and very nice individuals in game as well.

Glibglib · March 2004

"Pah..."

Its not normally my habit to reply to a topic I start. I prefer to allow other people to tell me how and what they think about something, so that I can see opinions outside of my own feild of vision, and enhance my life and compassion towards my fellow gamers.

With that said, I feel I should voice my opinion at this point. I agree with Misti's conclusion that anything with a Player vurses player aspect, is going to attract people "as flies" and I feel people who are flies. The idea of player vurses player is a two edged sword I feel. One edge, is that it adds the rare mark of true unpredictability. "I don't know what that person is going to do next, what spells, or items, or attacks they would use. So I must have a contingency plan for any senario." Furthermore, it allows for the stregthening of possible bonds, and feeling of mutual respect and sometimes admiration, when a friend or a stranger pulls through for you. This adds a kind of real world synergy, in the gamming community...a kind of real world hope you could call it, a reassurance in the humanity of the people around you. It's a very rare, and very uplifting experance.

The other edge though is a merciless, ravinous beast. Drawing to it anything, or anyone who is excited by the feeling of taking advantage of other people, the "flies". While a heathly compitition is all well and good, this is not what I am writing about. I'm writing about the people who are thirsty to manipulate, and torture others, not in the physical (because few truly have the stomach to do such a thing...watching is one thing, doing it takes a whole different animal) but rather but in the mental and emotional arena. People who want nothing more than to destroy the hopes of others, or to crush their spirits, and drive them to a drastic action which they will only regret later on, ultimatly driving them out of the game itself. Efeectivly this type of action is the death stroke of a massive-multiplayer-online-role-playing-game, a slow painfull demise.

These two "edges" are prevalent in any accpect that pits people against people, to some degree or another. And I feel, it is that degree, or rather the control and balance of these two factors that truely articulates the art of the work involved in it. Just like a real sword with two edges, only when things are balanced to each other, and reach a point of equal exchange, or of equal (for lack of a better term) space on the blade itself, do people begin to truely appreciate the craftsmanship of the work.

That's my opinion...and I might be wrong. It won't be the first time.

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