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metalcore
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I must admit, after reading so many posts by people unhappy with SOE, I am actually glad they won't be playing Vanguard.
So much moaning and whining, really speaks volumes of their character.
Most of us moved on a long time ago, so they changed SWG, so they messed up EQ1, let it go, move on and find a game your happy with.
SOE are greedy and evil, so what, they are a company, their job is to make money.
Its time to heal, its time to move on, these constant SOE bashing attacks are boring, really mind numbingly boring, unbelievably, ridiculously boring.
Now playing: VG (after a long break from MMORPGS)
Played for more than a month: Darkfall online, Vanguard SOH, Everquest, Horizons, WoW, SWG, Everquest II, Eve
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It's not boring... It's just annoying. Like every newb that comes by has to open a same topic, flame around and act like moron. I guess WoW kidz finaly get bored so now they whine on every game forum becouse they want game to be just like they want it to be. F*ck the rest of us...
I am not a newbie. I played EQ for 5 years. EQ2 for way less time.
If you had played these games then you would know that it's a wash, rinse and repeat.
"If you live to be a hundred, I want to live to be a hundred minus one day, so I never have to live without you."
Winnie the Pooh
i agree with the OP totally, i don't care if you love or hate vanguard but i cannot stand people who whine and complain about things non stop on these forums.
and i am not just talking about the soe haters either (although they are the majority it seems like) it gets really old seeing the same people complain day in and day out, i wish they would all just migrate to the FOH forums where they will fit in pretty good.
im actually very glad SOE is involved, I only wish they were more involved with some aspects of the development. Ive played SOE games for years.. since EQ1. I think I have around 6 years of time with them looking at the start of my station account.
I never liked SWG to begin with, I thought it was a bad version of Anarchy Online to be quite honest and never really gave it a chance due to being an AO fan.
with that said all my experiences with SOE have been great. The only problem I have with them is the amount of money I spend on expansions and other addons. However, the other games I played where Im not spending money on expansions..etc... im spending money on game currency :P (yup..ive bought currency in 2 other games I wont mention..and dont currently play)
At least with the SOE games Ive played ..the games are very balanced as far as gear to currency goes and how much a player can achieve without countless hours of grinding.
"If you want a picture of the future, imagine a robot foot stomping on a human face -- forever."
But that's the thing. We aren't you. We'd like to make decisions and choices ourselves, and it'd be nice if we didn't have to hear the "EQ clone" or "SOE ruined SWG" arguement over and over again.
If the game turns out to be bad in my eyes from the start or just doesn't connect with me, then I won't play it. I'll restrain myself from bashing (I made the decision to try the game, so why point the finger) and move on to another game. Life moves on.
If the game is great and I like what I play, then I'll buy it and I'll have fun. If SOE somehow gets power over the game and makes changes that I don't like, I'll stop giving them my money. Sure, I wouldn't be all too happy, but this is a video game we're talking about. I alone made the choice and took the risk to dedicate myself and my wallet to a game for X amount of months, and I'm not going to whine and cry about it if things don't go exactly my way.
I understand why people are cautious. They've played EQ and think this is just a clone. They've played SWG and have seen what SOE can do to a game if things fall in the right (in this case wrong) place. However, I fail to see the reason why they need to impose their will or argue up and down with everyone else who's either unbiased or is looking forward to a game that hasn't even been released yet.
If the game turns out to be bad in my eyes from the start or just doesn't connect with me, then I won't play it. I'll restrain myself from bashing (I made the decision to try the game, so why point the finger) and move on to another game. Life moves on.
If the game is great and I like what I play, then I'll buy it and I'll have fun. If SOE somehow gets power over the game and makes changes that I don't like, I'll stop giving them my money. Sure, I wouldn't be all too happy, but this is a video game we're talking about. I alone made the choice and took the risk to dedicate myself and my wallet to a game for X amount of months, and I'm not going to whine and cry about it if things don't go exactly my way.
I understand why people are cautious. They've played EQ and think this is just a clone. They've played SWG and have seen what SOE can do to a game if things fall in the right (in this case wrong) place. However, I fail to see the reason why they need to impose their will or argue up and down with everyone else who's either unbiased or is looking forward to a game that hasn't even been released yet.
but that makes far to much sense, and that would leave "them" with nothing to complain about....we cant have that can we?
I watched this vid(and a few others):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=80ZQMRC5TfQ
And yes it looks just like another clone, with the same combat system in a new grafic pack. To me its just not exciteing, it looks like a mix between stationary EQ and EQ2 combat. Not to hot. I am just not looking for old EQ etc gameplay, i am looking for something innovative with a fast and more twitch based combat system. I guess this is what alot of old players are saying, Vanguard just dosent bring anything exciteing to the market as far as we can se.
/mike
Why complain and bash a game your not even going to play period? Go go epeen I guess?
Looking to the left of my screen is the forums for released games and games in development list.. To the ones that I think are garbage or I have little to zero interest in, im not goin down the line into there designated forums or official forums saying why it's crap. Why would I? Why would I check out there forums, post hate, check out there official site, post hate, etc rinse and repeat.
Hell to all the games im not interested in or don't like why would I even click the bloody forum link or there official site. In a nut shell, I wouldn't
Hrm, now that i'm looking at that forum menu Im not really a fan of Conan and the movie had bad acting and I don't know a whole lot about the game.. But I know it's got a huge following but they must be all wrong cause I know.. SNAP! Somebody give me there website so I can register the forums get my confirmation email and start posting hate on the forum! They must know the truth I gotta save them from making a big mistake..
If all you want are the nice things maybe we should just close down the forums and read the faqs that will solve it.
Or you don't mind discussion as long as it fits into your preconcieved
notion of what is a good post? Let's just make you the forum police and
you can deliete everything you don't like.
Or maybe we can just let people discuss the game and if you don't agree
with them you can skip their post? That way some of us might pick up
something we didnt' know or that concerns us and we want more
information on.
I come here because you can hear about vanguard without the routing
section that the vanguard forums have, now you guys want to start
slamming those that have a complaint too. Let them talk, if it's
repetitious we can sort though it, but sometimes we might also learn
something we didn't know about a game we are considering spending a lot
of time on. There are a lot of games on the board, if someone
takes the time to come to this one to post, just maybe he has a
legitimate concern or complaint, and if not I think most can weed
through the trash without having forum police.
Remember how great dark and light was gonna be? From that game on I want to hear both sides of the story.
If all you want are the nice things maybe we should just close down the forums and read the faqs that will solve it.
I think we have a good grasp that we all have various opinions on various things. No one said all we want is nice things.
Or you don't mind discussion as long as it fits into your preconcieved notion of what is a good post? Let's just make you the forum police and you can deliete everything you don't like.
I don't have a problem with people sharing their concerns or not caring for a certain aspect of the game if they explain why and actually put an ounce thought into it. But I do have a problem with posts or topics that consist only of "it's stupid/it sucks/SOE sucks" without really saying anything else. We get it. You don't like the game.
But why constantly trash it in every thread when as far as you're concerned you're done with the game? I just played Xiah and didn't find it to be all that great. I uninstalled, and so I really have no reason to head over to the Xiah forums and post, "This game is sh*t. I don't see how anyone could want to play it." in about ten different threads. If anything, I'd head over and point out things that need work but do so in a respectful manner to the people who play and enjoy the game. Discussion can evolve from the latter of those two scenarios. The first one, not so much.
Or maybe we can just let people discuss the game and if you don't agree with them you can skip their post? That way some of us might pick up something we didnt' know or that concerns us and we want more information on.
The kind of posts and threads I personally am referring to aren't discussing anything. They are simply flamebait or uninformed bashing of the game that with or without intent becomes flamebait. And if that's called discussing, then you can't be surprised that people are going to discuss that post back and not skip over it.
Folks play it - are disappointed and explain why. It has a purpose and discussion can go on from there. But when the post comes down to "this game is crap" and that's about it, I'm not really certain where things go other than down in a trail of flames. All in all, the issue I have is that there are those who post these thoughts and opinions with no respect to the game or anyone who plays it. If you hate a game, that's ok; but it's not much to ask that you try to do so without taking cheap shots or saying things to get a rise out of those who are going to disagree with you.
Also, Vanguard isn't even out yet. So to call judgment on the game comes off a bit silly, doesn't it?
Lastly, to respond to one of your comments. Sure, we can skip over the meaningless posts and threads. Sometimes we do because we understand how the forums work. It's not going to get any better. The OP brought up an interesting topic that not only involves this forum section, but the entire MMORPG.com forum and other message boards outside the site. I understand why many people choose to never post on forums and stay far away. Sometimes I feel that way myself. That's why I wish we would all think before we post and at the same time respect one another. None of us are perfect of course, but some people make it so obvious that they don't care to try and simply bring the quality of the forums down a notch.
you on those points, however if you get a chance browse the vanguard
forums and watch when someone with a legitimate concern gets jumped on
with:
It's only in beta
I'm tired of all the bitching
don't like it don't play it, just shut up
etc etc etc
I'm not exagerating, the it's my game right or wrong crowd are as
annoying to me as the "it's soe so it's got to suck crowd". I don't
think we can stop either one so I just skip the ones that annoy me and
i'm sure you do too:)
Oh, I agree. Rabid fanboys are just as much of a problem as the haters or trolls. We see plenty of examples where defending a game goes too far, and the person blindly ignores the real flaws or concerns their game of choice has. Though sometimes those examples you offered are responses to posts that are well-deserved.
There's an MMO podcast I listen to, and in an episode from a while back the one host ranted for a bit about how frustrating the official Vanguard forums were. Someone posted about what they'd like to see implemented on a PvP server (not throughout all the servers, but just this specific one) and about five posts later people started firing away, even though the topic didn't deal with them as they're obviously going to play on a PvE server.
And you're right. There's no stopping either side so we often suck it up and deal. But like in real life, sometimes you just wish you could make certain individuals go away.
- "If I understand you well, you are telling me until next time. " - Ren
Ive presented you with a counter-argument to this logic witch you always avoid at all costs, a non-raiding server will not impact vanguard like you think it will IMO...but this is not the topic to discuss this in.
And if we are afraid for this game as well it is not us flaming it, it is us caring ...