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Diplomacy = Card game???
Mrbloodworth
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Every diplomat has a series of "cards" that represent a variety of conversational gambits. "Snippet of Wisdom," for example, is a "Reason" card, while "Aggressive Statement" generates "Demand" when players enter into a conversation (called a "parley"), a table appears on screen consisting of a player's point totals, four meters representing various conversational "power levels" and a "conversational flow meter" set at zero. The basic game consists of using various cards to fill up these power meters and pull the flow meter toward the player's side of the table. Each round that the meter is on their side, that player loses a point and sees another line of conversational dialogue. First one to get to zero wins the conversation and finishes another chapter in a story that can range from simple quests to bring a woman's husband home from a bar, to a continent-wide tale of betrayal and murder.
Im sorry, but thats lame. I guess branching Dialog and "oblivion" (or most other RPGs) like responses were to much....
I still reserve final judgment until i play it, but im really disappointed by this.
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My question is:
Can you bet money on who wins the conversation poker? If so, then man this may be the cure for online gambling!
MMO Vet since AOL Neverwinter Nights circa 1992. My MMO beat up your MMO. =S
honestly i think vanguards diplomacy seems alot more interesting than "oblivion like responses". it really doesn't seem that much different except it is a different interface (sort of like a card game) and there are alot more options in vanguard.
if you think the "card game" interface is lame, then that is kool but personally i expect vanguards diplomacy to be better and more in-depth than oblivions parlay system.....witch is a cool feature but not something that could be considered a sphere of advancement.
by having 300 cards (or responses) in vanguard to acquire and aide you in diplomacy i think it could be very interesting as long as you can get past the "card game" witch i don't really have a problem with personally.
These cards sounds kinda lame, I think they should make more like in Kotor, if everyone knows what i'm saying
Starwars Galaxies, An Empier Diveded, That's what it says on my box anyway.
I dont care that much about what you think. your opion is just as valid as mine.
I was expecting more from the system.
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Also, i wish they would allow Parley PVP !!! now that would be cool
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Wait untill you have to get together with 50 other diplomats for a 8 hour parley session with some contrived NPC bureaucrat just so he'll give you the key your guild needs so they can get into the dragons lair so they can do 51 8 hour raids to get 2 bits of cardboard each time that a guild crafter will combine into uber diplomacy cards so that you and 50 other diplomats can do a 8 hour parley session with another contrived NPC bureaucrat to get yet another key to yet another dragons lair so you can do yet another 51 raids for 2 bits of even better cardboard.....and so on.
Ah yes, fun times await you poor bastards.
I love the idea, gives people who want to solo in a different way a chance. its different, its crazy!, its awesome!
They are going to implement the UN as a raid instance?
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you could make the same argument for a whole lot of other games out there that have mini games inside them. i do understand your point about seeing how fun it will be after a period of time, guess we will find out.
Loved the P'zaak game from Knights of the old republic.
And who actually READS quests they pick up at NPC's? especially in WoW. All you do is run up and click through the NPC dialogue fast and accept the quest. without reading the story to it at all. and then flip up your quest journal and find out what you need to do first.
The Parlay system in Vanguard will rock. I'll definatly be doilng a lot of it. what I read about the system it will be alot of fun.
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they've been saying all along it will be like a trading card game. They've also always used Magic the gathering as an example.
I like it. I think it adds something new. If it isn't what you were looking for then don't blame sigil, I mean.. they can't read your mind or anything to make it how you think it should be. It will have dialog or responses with what happens in the game to give you a "roleplay" atmosphere as well to show you how the character actually responds to your diplomacy ability.
I also like how they have the system set up where players can actuallly kind of "duel" for a kind of "control" of certain cities. I think that also adds an interesting addition to the game.
I can't give an honost review as i've never played it, but from what i've read it has alot of potential even if it isn't exactly what I or anyone else though it would of been, at least give it a chance, there are alot of cool things they seem to be allowing you do to with it, and i think it will be very interesting.
Current MMO of interest: Vanguard: Saga of Heroes
MMO background: EQ, UO, AO, SWG, PS, EQ2, L2,EQoA, WoW, WWIIO, and AC2
Is that really much different from having 50 adventurers mashing 2-3 buttons each for 8 hours in order to bring down a boss mob or two in the hope that they'll loot something that'll give them the chance to do the next 8 hour 50 man raid down the line?
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Thank you for that insightful discussion. We need more black
I dont know what i was thinking by starting a topic about a proposed game here on mmorpg.com.and white discussions and conclusions about this game.
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Originally posted by Mrbloodworth
I dont care that much about what you think. your opion is just as valid as mine.
I was expecting more from the system. Originally posted by Mrbloodworth
Originally posted by Jaklyn
Ok then well dont play the game, its that simple
Thank you for that insightful discussion. We need more black and white discussions and conclusions about this game. I dont know what i was thinking by starting a topic about a proposed game here on mmorpg.com.
Anyone else find that a bit funny?
First he states he doesn't care much what someone else thinks. Then gets upset when someone else basically tells him the same thing. Hmm... something about a pot and a kettle would be appropriate here.
Didn't they also say diplomacy will be like SWG diplomates? With running player towns and villages as well?
Now playing: VG (after a long break from MMORPGS)
Played for more than a month: Darkfall online, Vanguard SOH, Everquest, Horizons, WoW, SWG, Everquest II, Eve
As long as it has no effect what-so-ever on PVE / PVP / Raiding and crafting then I dont give a rats ass what they do with it.
When you start needing diplomacy for keys, quests, items, raiding etc then it becomes a problem.
Originally posted by Jaklyn
Ok then well dont play the game, its that simple
Thank you for that insightful discussion. We need more black and white discussions and conclusions about this game. I dont know what i was thinking by starting a topic about a proposed game here on mmorpg.com.
Anyone else find that a bit funny?
First he states he doesn't care much what someone else thinks. Then gets upset when someone else basically tells him the same thing. Hmm... something about a pot and a kettle would be appropriate here.
Taken out of context sure. But if you read the thread, that person seems to believe that him disagreeing with me will place me into a coma.
It was a response to that statement. I do care what others think, just not to that degree. and my second response was still not an upset one. Im just tired of responses like that and was making a sarcastic response to a typical close-minded response you get from avid fans of this game.
Because apparently, if you dislike one feature or thing
about Vanguard, you MUST hate the game entirely.
Thanks.
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Well, this brings up the question of how much dependency is
there on others in this game, and on what levels.
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"Anyone posting on this forum is not an average user, and there for any opinions about the game are going to be overly critical compared to an average users opinions." - Me
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"Hello person posting on a site specifically for MMO's in a thread on a sub forum specifically for a particular game talking about meta features and making comparisons to other titles in the genre, and their meta features.
How are you?" -Me