Awards and good reviews are meaningless. Part of being an intelligent human being is making decisions for yourself and not letting others make them for you.
This whole argument kind of reminds me of the movie tommy boy. You can take a crap in a box and slap a guarantee on it and it's still a piece of crap.
You can't trust gamesites and award programs. Most of them get paid to award and promote the products.
And that's my point, do you think those people at BAFTA sat around a table calling each other names?
I don't know, maybe they did. You don't know either. Of course they most likely didn't. But then again I doubt they go to sites like MMORPG.com and tell everyone that their reviews are worthless either. So you lose credibility as well.
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Originally posted by we3ster Originally posted by neuronomad Originally posted by Wolfjunkie Sorry, but you cannot trust proffesional reviewers either. Instead of the common folks like us, having bias against other games, proffesional reviewers just do naugthy things.. Like making a game sound good, with a nice check in their pocket.
I woudln't ever base my purchasing of a game on a professional reviewer, nor would I some organization like the BAFTA. I would base my opinions more so on the average Joe (or bloke for our Brit friend here). Even then though if there is a game that appeals to me I would still get it even if the majority of the people said beware. But at least I would go into the purchase knowing what my actual peers thought about the game.
Professional Reviews are greedy, organizations like the BAFTA and the Oscars have agendas. To me it's all the same.
But for the OP to make a blanket statement saying that the reviews on this site and sites like it are worthless is crock.
No, but for everyone of those type threads there is usually another thread where someone that has actually played the game has taken the time to actually play it. However those threads like the above don't cause me to say, "Gee I better see what the BAFTA or whoever thinks". All they do is tell me that I need to research further. Even so those threads can have some valuable information. I usually hit the userinfo button on people to research their previous topics. I can't do that with the BAFTA.
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Originally posted by Wolfjunkie Sorry, but you cannot trust proffesional reviewers either. Instead of the common folks like us, having bias against other games, proffesional reviewers just do naugthy things.. Like making a game sound good, with a nice check in their pocket.
I woudln't ever base my purchasing of a game on a professional reviewer, nor would I some organization like the BAFTA. I would base my opinions more so on the average Joe (or bloke for our Brit friend here). Even then though if there is a game that appeals to me I would still get it even if the majority of the people said beware. But at least I would go into the purchase knowing what my actual peers thought about the game.
Professional Reviews are greedy, organizations like the BAFTA and the Oscars have agendas. To me it's all the same.
But for the OP to make a blanket statement saying that the reviews on this site and sites like it are worthless is crock.
Uh, thats not even the sites review. According to you reviews on sites like this are worthless. Your example isn't even a review it's a forum discussion.
Originally posted by we3ster Originally posted by neuronomad Originally posted by we3ster
By the way, I'm Irish! Not British.
You'll always be British to me. Would you trust somone to review a game who could not even tell the difference between Britain and Ireland? LOL, can you not tell sarcasm or are you just a troll?
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Originally posted by we3ster Originally posted by neuronomad Originally posted by we3ster
By the way, I'm Irish! Not British.
You'll always be British to me. Would you trust somone to review a game who could not even tell the difference between Britain and Ireland? Eh.. Why not? It's not like his review will be hurting anyone.
Originally posted by Ruthgar Awards are something you put on your advertisments. What matters most to the MMORPG industry is subscribers.
You are so right, finally somebody understands, awards from credible sources and those known to the general public increase sales.
A mother goes into a games store, sees two games her son/daughter might like as a surprise present, one has got the gamespot/mmorpg.com award on the box, the other an Oscar/Bafta/Golden Globe award sticker, now I guarantee which the parent will pick up.
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Originally posted by we3ster Originally posted by Ruthgar Awards are something you put on your advertisments. What matters most to the MMORPG industry is subscribers.
You are so right, finally somebody understands, awards from credible sources and those known to the general public increase sales.
A mother goes into a games store, sees two games her son/daughter might like as a surprise present, one has got the gamespot/mmorpg.com award on the box, the other an Oscar/Bafta/Golden Globe award sticker, now I guarantee which the parent will pick up.
I seriously doubt that Mommy dearest would even look at the box.
And I can promise you that the ones that actually are going to be likely to buy said games (litlte Johnny) would take Gamespot's award over the BAFTA any day of the week.
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Originally posted by neuronomad Originally posted by we3ster Originally posted by neuronomad Originally posted by we3ster
By the way, I'm Irish! Not British.
You'll always be British to me. Would you trust somone to review a game who could not even tell the difference between Britain and Ireland? LOL, can you not tell sarcasm or are you just a troll? Any just incase you don't undrestand what sarcasm is, yes I do know the difference between the two but I am going to continue to call you a Brit just because I know you will love me for it.
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Originally posted by we3ster Originally posted by lysh
Would you trust somone to review a game who could not even tell the difference between Britain and Ireland?
yes.
Geographical knowledge isnt a requirement to write about the features included in a video game.
Because, he would have offended his Irish readers right off the bat. If you knew your world history, you would know this. Do you know the geographical location of every country in the world? Do you know the history of every country in the world?
Originally posted by we3ster Originally posted by lysh
Would you trust somone to review a game who could not even tell the difference between Britain and Ireland?
yes.
Geographical knowledge isnt a requirement to write about the features included in a video game.
Because, he would have offended his Irish readers right off the bat. If you knew your world history, you would know this. LOL, thus my sarcasm. Yes I know the history between the Irish and the British. Why else would I find calling you a Brit so funny if I didn't know the history? Good God man are you always that uptight or just stupid?
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Originally posted by Wolfjunkie Do you know the geographical location of every country in the world? Do you know the history of every country in the world?
I bet he thinks he does.
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Originally posted by we3ster Originally posted by lysh
Would you trust somone to review a game who could not even tell the difference between Britain and Ireland?
yes.
Geographical knowledge isnt a requirement to write about the features included in a video game.
Because, he would have offended his Irish readers right off the bat. If you knew your world history, you would know this. I even know who Michael Collins was. Gee maybe American's aren't so stupid afterall.
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Okay it is clear you are just a troll. You are upset that your beloved BAFTA announced your beloved DDO as the best multiplayer for 2006 and yet the game is still bombing. I am not saying anything against DDO. Hell I even got me a copy coming via Ebay. But I assure you that the BAFTA award had NOTHING to do with it. But I digress.
You really need to get off your high and mighty soapbox. Either you really don't undrestand sarcasm or you think that you are beyond it. Either way you come to the site and make a blanked statement about how this site and it's members are worthless (or at least their reviews are). Sure there are plenty of lame reviews but as we have already mentioned there are many, many more vaild ones.
As others have stated if you base your buying solely on reviews or some award then you are stupid and deserve to get whatever comes your way. However I really don't think most people on here do that. Most of us are smart enough to see through the reviews made by people in anger or out of seer lack of knowledge about said game.
So please troll elsewhere.
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Originally posted by we3ster Originally posted by neuronomad Originally posted by Wolfjunkie Do you know the geographical location of every country in the world? Do you know the history of every country in the world?
I bet he thinks he does. No, I don't but I am intelligent enough to pick up an encyclopaedia and find out! As is all of those people on this forum that you have deemed worthless in regards to their opinions. So what makes you any better than us?
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Do you know the geographical location of every country in the world? Do you know the history of every country in the world?
I bet he thinks he does.
No, I don't but I am intelligent enough to pick up an encyclopaedia and find out!
As is all of those people on this forum that you have deemed worthless in regards to their opinions. So what makes you any better than us?
Didn't you say earlier that you understood sarcasm?
We will just have to agree to disagree but remember this thread when in say 4 or 5 years time, these awards from the likes of BAFTA and everyone else become the dominant reviews when influencing people's decisions, just like they do with movies!
The gaming industry has been crying out to gain credibility and it has begun.
By the way, don't mention a game, say it's rubbish and later on say, oh but I have ordered it, nothing to do with awards of course lol. You obviously don't like DDO, so why then order it?
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While I will agree to disagree with you just to put a end to this thread, I am sorry but I seriously don't think that these organizations like the BAFTA will really have any effect on the general gaming population be it 5 years or 10 years from now. Sure people will make a mental note of them but in the end they are still going to go to places like MMORPG.com and Gamespot to help make up there mind.
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Originally posted by neuronomad While I will agree to disagree with you just to put a end to this thread, I am sorry but I seriously don't think that these organizations like the BAFTA will really have any effect on the general gaming population be it 5 years or 10 years from now. Sure people will make a mental note of them but in the end they are still going to go to places like MMORPG.com and Gamespot to help make up there mind.
Whilst I want to end this thread too, your statement is incorrect, the GENERAL GAMING public do not know about these websites. Do you think the Japanese, Chinese, French or Germans read this site, no, it's in English.
The BAFTA mask symbol or Oscar symbol on a game is universally recognised, needs no introduction, immediately, people associate them with quality.
The population in DDO on the European servers has increased greatly since that award was announced, fact. It will increase again on Wedenesday with the new content.
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Awards and good reviews are meaningless. Part of being an intelligent human being is making decisions for yourself and not letting others make them for you.
This whole argument kind of reminds me of the movie tommy boy. You can take a crap in a box and slap a guarantee on it and it's still a piece of crap.
You can't trust gamesites and award programs. Most of them get paid to award and promote the products.
And that's my point, do you think those people at BAFTA sat around a table calling each other names?
I don't know, maybe they did. You don't know either. Of course they most likely didn't. But then again I doubt they go to sites like MMORPG.com and tell everyone that their reviews are worthless either. So you lose credibility as well.
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Professional Reviews are greedy, organizations like the BAFTA and the Oscars have agendas. To me it's all the same.
But for the OP to make a blanket statement saying that the reviews on this site and sites like it are worthless is crock.
So, you call this a serious review?
http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/97252
No, but for everyone of those type threads there is usually another thread where someone that has actually played the game has taken the time to actually play it. However those threads like the above don't cause me to say, "Gee I better see what the BAFTA or whoever thinks". All they do is tell me that I need to research further. Even so those threads can have some valuable information. I usually hit the userinfo button on people to research their previous topics. I can't do that with the BAFTA.
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What matters most to the MMORPG industry is subscribers.
By the way, I'm Irish! Not British.
You'll always be British to me.
Would you trust somone to review a game who could not even tell the difference between Britain and Ireland?
You must not leave until you free Arlos and have gathered your party safely in this hallway.
Professional Reviews are greedy, organizations like the BAFTA and the Oscars have agendas. To me it's all the same.
But for the OP to make a blanket statement saying that the reviews on this site and sites like it are worthless is crock.
So, you call this a serious review?
http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/97252
Uh, thats not even the sites review. According to you reviews on sites like this are worthless. Your example isn't even a review it's a forum discussion.
This is the real website's review
http://www.mmorpg.com/gamelist.cfm/gameId/58/setView/review
By the way, I'm Irish! Not British.
You'll always be British to me.
Would you trust somone to review a game who could not even tell the difference between Britain and Ireland?
LOL, can you not tell sarcasm or are you just a troll?
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yes.
Geographical knowledge isnt a requirement to write about the features included in a video game.
By the way, I'm Irish! Not British.
You'll always be British to me.
Would you trust somone to review a game who could not even tell the difference between Britain and Ireland?
Eh.. Why not? It's not like his review will be hurting anyone.
You are so right, finally somebody understands, awards from credible sources and those known to the general public increase sales.
A mother goes into a games store, sees two games her son/daughter might like as a surprise present, one has got the gamespot/mmorpg.com award on the box, the other an Oscar/Bafta/Golden Globe award sticker, now I guarantee which the parent will pick up.
You must not leave until you free Arlos and have gathered your party safely in this hallway.
You are so right, finally somebody understands, awards from credible sources and those known to the general public increase sales.
A mother goes into a games store, sees two games her son/daughter might like as a surprise present, one has got the gamespot/mmorpg.com award on the box, the other an Oscar/Bafta/Golden Globe award sticker, now I guarantee which the parent will pick up.
I seriously doubt that Mommy dearest would even look at the box.
And I can promise you that the ones that actually are going to be likely to buy said games (litlte Johnny) would take Gamespot's award over the BAFTA any day of the week.
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By the way, I'm Irish! Not British.
You'll always be British to me.
Would you trust somone to review a game who could not even tell the difference between Britain and Ireland?
LOL, can you not tell sarcasm or are you just a troll?
Any just incase you don't undrestand what sarcasm is, yes I do know the difference between the two but I am going to continue to call you a Brit just because I know you will love me for it.
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yes.
Geographical knowledge isnt a requirement to write about the features included in a video game.
Because, he would have offended his Irish readers right off the bat. If you knew your world history, you would know this.
You must not leave until you free Arlos and have gathered your party safely in this hallway.
yes.
Geographical knowledge isnt a requirement to write about the features included in a video game.
Because, he would have offended his Irish readers right off the bat. If you knew your world history, you would know this.
Do you know the geographical location of every country in the world? Do you know the history of every country in the world?
yes.
Geographical knowledge isnt a requirement to write about the features included in a video game.
Because, he would have offended his Irish readers right off the bat. If you knew your world history, you would know this.
LOL, thus my sarcasm. Yes I know the history between the Irish and the British. Why else would I find calling you a Brit so funny if I didn't know the history? Good God man are you always that uptight or just stupid?
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I bet he thinks he does.
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yes.
Geographical knowledge isnt a requirement to write about the features included in a video game.
Because, he would have offended his Irish readers right off the bat. If you knew your world history, you would know this.
Why would the differences between Britain and Ireland come up in a game review?
yes.
Geographical knowledge isnt a requirement to write about the features included in a video game.
Because, he would have offended his Irish readers right off the bat. If you knew your world history, you would know this.
I even know who Michael Collins was. Gee maybe American's aren't so stupid afterall.
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I bet he thinks he does.
No, I don't but I am intelligent enough to pick up an encyclopaedia and find out!
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You really need to get off your high and mighty soapbox. Either you really don't undrestand sarcasm or you think that you are beyond it. Either way you come to the site and make a blanked statement about how this site and it's members are worthless (or at least their reviews are). Sure there are plenty of lame reviews but as we have already mentioned there are many, many more vaild ones.
As others have stated if you base your buying solely on reviews or some award then you are stupid and deserve to get whatever comes your way. However I really don't think most people on here do that. Most of us are smart enough to see through the reviews made by people in anger or out of seer lack of knowledge about said game.
So please troll elsewhere.
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I bet he thinks he does.
No, I don't but I am intelligent enough to pick up an encyclopaedia and find out!
As is all of those people on this forum that you have deemed worthless in regards to their opinions. So what makes you any better than us?
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I bet he thinks he does.
No, I don't but I am intelligent enough to pick up an encyclopaedia and find out!
As is all of those people on this forum that you have deemed worthless in regards to their opinions. So what makes you any better than us?
Didn't you say earlier that you understood sarcasm?
We will just have to agree to disagree but remember this thread when in say 4 or 5 years time, these awards from the likes of BAFTA and everyone else become the dominant reviews when influencing people's decisions, just like they do with movies!
The gaming industry has been crying out to gain credibility and it has begun.
By the way, don't mention a game, say it's rubbish and later on say, oh but I have ordered it, nothing to do with awards of course lol. You obviously don't like DDO, so why then order it?
I
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Whilst I want to end this thread too, your statement is incorrect, the GENERAL GAMING public do not know about these websites. Do you think the Japanese, Chinese, French or Germans read this site, no, it's in English.
The BAFTA mask symbol or Oscar symbol on a game is universally recognised, needs no introduction, immediately, people associate them with quality.
The population in DDO on the European servers has increased greatly since that award was announced, fact. It will increase again on Wedenesday with the new content.
You must not leave until you free Arlos and have gathered your party safely in this hallway.