Numbers

akevv · October 2006

Now that SOE has actually made a poll that is also advertised in the launchpad, we see that about 3,800 players actually care enough to answer. Assuming that is the typical 20% of players that post on the forums, then the game can be assumed to have about 19,000 active subscribers. As more people eventually answer the poll, we can extrapolate a pretty accurate number.

I also find it telling that the veteran section of this forum is now approaching an 8 to 1 (7.3 to 1 to be totally accurate) post margin over the current section. Could it actually be possible that the old game was 8x more popular than the current? That is a TON of money wasted. Unbelievable...

Xirik · October 2006

The only reason the veteran forums have more posts is because 75% of
them are about remembering the good ol days and when will soe release
classic servers. There realy should only be like 50 threads
in this forum.

Shayde · October 2006

Originally posted by Xirik
The only
reason the veteran forums have more posts is because 75% of them are
about remembering the good ol days and when will soe release classic
servers. There realy should only be like 50 threads in this
forum.

We can say whatever we want here Punky Brewster.. get used to it.

Delzo · October 2006

Originally posted by Xirik
The only reason the veteran forums have more posts is because 75% of them are about remembering the good ol days and when will soe release classic servers. There realy should only be like 50 threads in this forum.

Yeah, and Current talks about so many more topics? Other than "Jedi roxxorz, SOE can do no wrong, and I love spending $15/month for this"?

pirrg · October 2006

For an accurate and ubiased report on the current swg playerbase i direct you to this thread

http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/91034

(copy paste it in your browser as direct linking doesnt work for some reason)

MX13 · October 2006

Originally posted by pirrg
For an accurate and ubiased report on the current swg playerbase i direct you to this thread

http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/91034

(copy paste it in your browser as direct linking doesnt work for some reason)

Please, we already pointed out the spin-holes in this BS...

Delzo · October 2006

Originally posted by pirrg
For an accurate and ubiased report on the current swg playerbase i direct you to this thread

http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/91034

(copy paste it in your browser as direct linking doesnt work for some reason)

To be fair, I read your post from start to end, even though I was expecting to see an "accurate and unbiased" report on SWG's sub numbers. I didn't realize YOU were doing the report. You couldn't give an "accurate and unbiased" report on SWG anymore than I could and have you believe it was "accurate and unbiased".

But for you to post that subs in SWG are actually UP? You lose your audience and any credibility right there. Anyone who's been around SWG since before NGE could tell this was not an accurate statement. Even though NGE did convince a lot of players to leave, the place was still busier just after NGE than it is now.

Fishermage · October 2006

Yep judging from those polls and what ChrisCao said, looks like MMORPGCHART.com's guestimate of 170K is VASTLY overestimated. By saying about 20% of the players post, ChrisCao really stepped in it, as this crowd is known for doing. 20K subs left, and pretty much admitted (although inadvertently) by the nasty Mr. Cao.

Rokmai · October 2006

Maybe everyone loves the game so much that they don't have time to stop to vote on something like that. They're just in such a rush to get back to "living the Star Wars experience" that they can't be bothered with anything in the real world.

jrscott · October 2006

Originally posted by Rokmai
Maybe everyone loves the game so much that they don't have time to stop to vote on something like that. They're just in such a rush to get back to "living the Star Wars experience" that they can't be bothered with anything in the real world.

Ha ha ha ha ha ha .... NO.

( I noted your sarcasm)

Shayde · October 2006

Originally posted by pirrg
For an accurate and ubiased report on the current swg playerbase i direct you to this thread

http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/91034

(copy paste it in your browser as direct linking doesnt work for some reason)

Biggest pile of B.S. since the nge.

auntisocial · October 2006

Ariel is still on the gamecard so I had voted already by logging into the forums. When I logged into the launchpad it just took me to the results.

Aunti

Wildcat84 · October 2006

My best revised guess, based on what I feel from the lack of anyone I found on Bloodfin in prime time Saturday, and it being one of the 4 "medium" servers, I doubt the whole game has 25,000 active players anymore. It probably has more subs left active than that, counting cancelled but not expired, trials, all access pass subs that don't play, etc, probably no more than 50-60K at MOST.

Bissrok · October 2006

According to Mrebel, only 2% on the players bothered to vote on those polls.

http://soe.lithium.com/swg/board/message?board.id=swggpdiscussion&message.id=1201147

You know, coming from anyone else, I wouldn't believe it. But that Mrebel seems to know a lot about the game. I mean, he's got 2.4k posts. How could he not?

pirrg · October 2006

Where do you vote? I must have missed it.

SODAofBRIA · October 2006

Originally posted by Bissrok

According to Mrebel, only 2% on the players bothered to vote on those polls.
http://soe.lithium.com/swg/board/message?board.id=swggpdiscussion&message.id=1201147
You know, coming from anyone else, I wouldn't believe it. But that Mrebel seems to know a lot about the game. I mean, he's got 2.4k posts. How could he not?

Meh, possibly he/she might be correct but I'm pretty sure more than 2% VISIT. He said VISIT not log in. He even emphasized it. Plus, where would one get such an answer when no one (outside of SOE/LA) would actually know the real sub numbers?
I call BS on that.

Chessack · October 2006

Whatever the actual numbers are, we can be sure of one thing: they're not good. They're not going up.

How can we be sure of that? Because if they were, SOE would have reported it.

Everyone -- and I mean everyone -- in the industry and most players who care to bother thinking about it, has been saying since the NGE that they suspect the numbers have dropped, and not only that, but dropped precipitously. If SOE had hard data to prove that this was not the case, don't you think they would provide it? It would stifle the naysayers, prove they were right to make the change, and finally shut up all the forum trolls. Far better than any thousand locked/deleted threads, the hard numbers, if they were looking up for SOE, would end most of the debate. "The numbers went up after NGE, therefore NGE was a good change, QED", they could say.

But they have not provided the numbers. And the only conceivable reason NOT to provide them, is to hide them... hide them because they look bad.

C

KzinKiller · October 2006

Originally posted by Chessack
Whatever the actual numbers are, we can be sure of one thing: they're not good. They're not going up.

How can we be sure of that? Because if they were, SOE would have reported it.

Everyone -- and I mean everyone -- in the industry and most players who care to bother thinking about it, has been saying since the NGE that they suspect the numbers have dropped, and not only that, but dropped precipitously. If SOE had hard data to prove that this was not the case, don't you think they would provide it? It would stifle the naysayers, prove they were right to make the change, and finally shut up all the forum trolls. Far better than any thousand locked/deleted threads, the hard numbers, if they were looking up for SOE, would end most of the debate. "The numbers went up after NGE, therefore NGE was a good change, QED", they could say.

But they have not provided the numbers. And the only conceivable reason NOT to provide them, is to hide them... hide them because they look bad.

qfe, this is exactly the form of marketing SOE indulges in. Numbers they like are trumpeted as more significant than the Magna Carta, and numbers they don't like are buried, ignored, or dismissed as innacurate or irrelevant.

Their silence on publishing subscription numbers speaks volumes.

Fishermage · October 2006

Originally posted by Chessack
Whatever the actual numbers are, we can be sure of one thing: they're not good. They're not going up.

How can we be sure of that? Because if they were, SOE would have reported it.

Everyone -- and I mean everyone -- in the industry and most players who care to bother thinking about it, has been saying since the NGE that they suspect the numbers have dropped, and not only that, but dropped precipitously. If SOE had hard data to prove that this was not the case, don't you think they would provide it? It would stifle the naysayers, prove they were right to make the change, and finally shut up all the forum trolls. Far better than any thousand locked/deleted threads, the hard numbers, if they were looking up for SOE, would end most of the debate. "The numbers went up after NGE, therefore NGE was a good change, QED", they could say.

But they have not provided the numbers. And the only conceivable reason NOT to provide them, is to hide them... hide them because they look bad.

C

True Story.

Chessack · October 2006

Originally posted by KzinKiller
Their silence on publishing subscription numbers speaks volumes.

Exactly.

There is just no way they would withold the data, if it proved all us "naysayers" wrong. Their rep is so badly damaged by the NGE and the loss of subscriptions it "supposedly" caused, that it is impossible that the would hide their subscription numbers if they showed otherwise.

C

Wildcat84 · October 2006

Originally posted by Chessack
Originally posted by KzinKiller
Their silence on publishing subscription numbers speaks volumes.

Exactly.

There is just no way they would withold the data, if it proved all us "naysayers" wrong. Their rep is so badly damaged by the NGE and the loss of subscriptions it "supposedly" caused, that it is impossible that the would hide their subscription numbers if they showed otherwise.

C

When they have spoken of sub numbers (and they never have given an exact number, and not even a vague reference in montns) they cloak them in semantics, like, "yes, we have lost subscribers, but we are losing them slower than pre-NGE). Now that they have a lot less subs to lose, sure they are going to lose them at a slower rate, but the bottom line is they are stil losing them.

Mrbloodworth · October 2006

Where is this poll?

Bissrok · October 2006

Some of the oBoards said they could vote twice. Interesting...

Tagurit · October 2006

Originally posted by pirrg
For an accurate and ubiased report on the current swg playerbase i direct you to this thread

http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/91034

(copy paste it in your browser as direct linking doesnt work for some reason)

That is just hopeful fanbois drivel.

swg has 10-20K tops. It is probable less than that if you take into consideration the Station Pass.

Wildcat84 · October 2006

Pirrg, ifthe NGE hasn't made a net GAIN in subs over what existed before it was introduced, AND what the Pre-CU had before the CU was introduced, it's a failure.

Pure and simple. Why? It was done to make SWG exceed the pre-Cu number.

Since even you admit that NGE doesn't have 300K subs, then hasn't the NGE failed?

Aethios · October 2006

Originally posted by SODAofBRIA
Originally posted by Bissrok
According to Mrebel, only 2% on the players bothered to vote on those polls.
You know, coming from anyone else, I wouldn't believe it. But that Mrebel seems to know a lot about the game. I mean, he's got 2.4k posts. How could he not?
Meh, possibly he/she might be correct but I'm pretty sure more than 2% VISIT. He said VISIT not log in. He even emphasized it. Plus, where would one get such an answer when no one (outside of SOE/LA) would actually know the real sub numbers?I call BS on that.

He's just making up numbers and arguing semantics to back it up. The guy really doesn't know anything, he just wants to save face on the forums of his game.

Honestly, it wouldn't surprise me if SWG's total "subscriptions" (including trials, passes, and cancelled accounts) was around 175k, as reported by MMOGchart.com, but you have to take into account

1) Vets resubbing for the 21 day trial to see how bad the NGE really is.
2) Multiple accounts.
3) Multi-pass owners who only play EQ I & II. (These are probably the majority.)
4) Cancelled accounts that haven't technically expired yet, including quarterly and yearly subscriptions.
5) Superinflated reports fed to MMOGchart.com by SOE to make their game appear more successful.

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