I don't understand the reason for your topic, but your right as long as they dont make any money off of it, and the actual game content is purchased legally, and the server is made independantly, then its perfectly legal. The worst the companies can do is ban you from their own servers, as it is against their EULA usually.
Originally posted by rekkor I don't understand the reason for your topic, but your right as long as they dont make any money off of it, and the actual game content is purchased legally, and the server is made independantly, then its perfectly legal. The worst the companies can do is ban you from their own servers, as it is against their EULA usually.
Your lack of knowledge astounds me. It's not legal. It will never be legal. Go to college.
You are assuming that all colleges educate. Columbia University would be a bad choice for higher learning.
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Yes running or playing on an emulated server violates the EULA.
7. Subject to the terms of this Agreement, we hereby grant to you a non-exclusive, non-transferable, revocable license to use the Software solely in connection with playing the Game via an authorized and fully-paid Account. You may not copy (except to make one necessary back-up copy), distribute, sell, auction, rent, lease, loan, modify or create derivative works, adapt, translate, perform, display, sublicense or transfer all or any portion of the Software. You may not copy any of the written materials accompanying the Software. You may not reverse engineer, disassemble or decompile the Software except to the extent that this restriction is expressly prohibited by applicable law. The Software may contain license management software that restricts your use of the Software.
9. You may not use any third party software to modify the Software to change Game play. You may not create, facilitate, host, link to or provide any other means through which the Game may be played by others, such as through server emulators. You may not take any action which imposes an unreasonable or disproportionately large load on our infrastructure. You may not buy, sell or auction (or host or facilitate the ability to allow others to buy, sell or auction) any Game characters, items, coin or copyrighted material.
Sorry, I didn't want to start a new thread, I wanted to reply a thread... Anyway the courts around the world think different some companies already lost in court, demanding people emulating servers.
LOL, that won't stop Pirates of the New Frontier from doing it anyway.
I'm waiting for the pre-NGE SWG emulator to go live. I will use it despite any legal issues, and support it 100%. I hope they release free downloads for server creation so that people can run thier own SWG servers. I'd like to see SOE fight that. LOL, might get a nice server in eastern Europe where SOE can't do anything about it, I'd laught my ass off...
i dont think its a big deal. You are paying sony for access to thier game yes. But when you use outside servers for free it cost sony nothing to support you anymore as a player. You still buy sonys software, and alot of these servers change up the rules and what not to where its not evens sonys mechanics anymore.
We live in a time where modding games and creativity of the user is actually smiled upon, dont let corporate greed take that away.
From my research back when i ran a UO emu this is waht i gather.
It is not illegal to set up and emulated server as long as you have legally purchased the game software. Violation of an EULA does not mean you have commited a crime. And this idea alone does not warrent any jail time and or fines Running a free emu at this time is not really illegal, the games devolper could take actions against you and your isp to have the server shut down which in most cases the isp will do what they can to prevent you from running your emu wiouth causes other disturbances to your internet service. Running or playing on a emu server can get you banned from any services offered by the company that legally holds the rights to the product and no refund will be given for services paid for in advance. Charging people to play on an emu server is illegal. If you are making a profit the company can file a lawsuit against you for both copyright issues as well as try to claim and revenue you made of this server as lost revenue to them regarldes of your monthly charge. Even asking people to donate, and offering benefits to the donaters can be considered running a p2p server as your are still offering certain services only to those who pay for them. I know alot of people running emu's like to ask for donations to cover server and bandwidth costs but this is technically illegal. I guess you could try to apply for non-profit status and only take donations up to the point to cover costs of operation but i highly doubt you could pull it off or it would hold up in court in a company decided to go after you.
Honestly though, you would have to be running one massive emu to get the attention of companies such as soe and blizzard to the point they would be willing to take legal action against you. the lawyers these companies have do not come cheap and they have more important things to do then worry about $1000 dollars a month loss when they are paying their lawyers that much a day to deal with other more important issues. This is assuming 90% of people who play emu's would not be playing on the official p2p server, or currently do play on them at the same time so regardless there are not missing much revenue.
If they are soo illegal, why does the only real EQ emulator's website still exist? It has been up for how many years? Even the most popular emulated server has been up for what? 5+ years? I know for a fact creating a server emulator is not illegal unless code was stolen. Hosting a private server is a different story. Is it illegal? Depends on how good the lawyers are I guess and what country it's hosted in. I know for a fact that you can host a private server in Sweden and avoid those pesky laws you people speak of.
That EQ emu servers been around forever and they provide a better game then current EQ by FAR. Not to get it twisted their server has issues too but the game pound for pound is better quality in their version.
Making and playing on an emu-server is NOT illegal in terms of criminal law, but it is illegal in terms of in-game law. In human terms, if you visit my house, and I tell you my house has a rule where you HAVE to take your shoes off and you dont, I CANT prosecute u and you cant go to jail. At best I can throw you out of my house, but thats it.
Theres nothing they can do if u r running a non-profit (in some countries maybe even with profit) emu-server. They will probably ban you from their servers, they probably ask for your posts to be deleted on a forum (as they do on MMORPG.COM), they MIGHT ask ISP who hosts your server's traffic to shut it down, but Im not sure if ISP will even reply due to privacy policy. Im guessin it wouldnt get that far, and definitely no FBI, CIA, KGB or VMBMA will be hitting on your door anytime soon.
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Your lack of knowledge astounds me. It's not legal. It will never be legal. Go to college.
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Brad McQuaid
Chairman & CEO, Sigil Games Online, Inc.
Executive Producer, Vanguard: Saga of Heroes
www.vanguardsoh
7. Subject to the terms of this Agreement, we hereby grant to you a
non-exclusive, non-transferable, revocable license to use the Software
solely in connection with playing the Game via an authorized and
fully-paid Account. You may not copy (except to make one necessary
back-up copy), distribute, sell, auction, rent, lease, loan, modify or
create derivative works, adapt, translate, perform, display, sublicense
or transfer all or any portion of the Software. You may not copy any of
the written materials accompanying the Software. You may not reverse
engineer, disassemble or decompile the Software except to the extent
that this restriction is expressly prohibited by applicable law. The
Software may contain license management software that restricts your
use of the Software.
9. You may not use any third party software to modify the Software to
change Game play. You may not create, facilitate, host, link to or
provide any other means through which the Game may be played by others,
such as through server emulators. You may not take any action which
imposes an unreasonable or disproportionately large load on our
infrastructure. You may not buy, sell or auction (or host or facilitate
the ability to allow others to buy, sell or auction) any Game
characters, items, coin or copyrighted material.
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I'm waiting for the pre-NGE SWG emulator to go live. I will use it despite any legal issues, and support it 100%. I hope they release free downloads for server creation so that people can run thier own SWG servers. I'd like to see SOE fight that. LOL, might get a nice server in eastern Europe where SOE can't do anything about it, I'd laught my ass off...
i dont think its a big deal. You are paying sony for access to thier game yes. But when you use outside servers for free it cost sony nothing to support you anymore as a player. You still buy sonys software, and alot of these servers change up the rules and what not to where its not evens sonys mechanics anymore.
We live in a time where modding games and creativity of the user is actually smiled upon, dont let corporate greed take that away.
It is not illegal to set up and emulated server as long as you have legally purchased the game software.
Violation of an EULA does not mean you have commited a crime. And this idea alone does not warrent any jail time and or fines
Running a free emu at this time is not really illegal, the games devolper could take actions against you and your isp to have the server shut down which in most cases the isp will do what they can to prevent you from running your emu wiouth causes other disturbances to your internet service.
Running or playing on a emu server can get you banned from any services offered by the company that legally holds the rights to the product and no refund will be given for services paid for in advance.
Charging people to play on an emu server is illegal. If you are making a profit the company can file a lawsuit against you for both copyright issues as well as try to claim and revenue you made of this server as lost revenue to them regarldes of your monthly charge.
Even asking people to donate, and offering benefits to the donaters can be considered running a p2p server as your are still offering certain services only to those who pay for them. I know alot of people running emu's like to ask for donations to cover server and bandwidth costs but this is technically illegal. I guess you could try to apply for non-profit status and only take donations up to the point to cover costs of operation but i highly doubt you could pull it off or it would hold up in court in a company decided to go after you.
Honestly though, you would have to be running one massive emu to get the attention of companies such as soe and blizzard to the point they would be willing to take legal action against you. the lawyers these companies have do not come cheap and they have more important things to do then worry about $1000 dollars a month loss when they are paying their lawyers that much a day to deal with other more important issues. This is assuming 90% of people who play emu's would not be playing on the official p2p server, or currently do play on them at the same time so regardless there are not missing much revenue.
Making and playing on an emu-server is NOT illegal in terms of criminal law, but it is illegal in terms of in-game law. In human terms, if you visit my house, and I tell you my house has a rule where you HAVE to take your shoes off and you dont, I CANT prosecute u and you cant go to jail. At best I can throw you out of my house, but thats it.
Theres nothing they can do if u r running a non-profit (in some countries maybe even with profit) emu-server. They will probably ban you from their servers, they probably ask for your posts to be deleted on a forum (as they do on MMORPG.COM), they MIGHT ask ISP who hosts your server's traffic to shut it down, but Im not sure if ISP will even reply due to privacy policy. Im guessin it wouldnt get that far, and definitely no FBI, CIA, KGB or VMBMA will be hitting on your door anytime soon.
I am the type of player where I like to do everything and anything from time to time.
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