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AnagethAnageth Member Posts: 2,217

In the last couple of months, I've been wanting to learn either Spanish or German. I decided to do something about it, and had a look at this website.

Now I already speak French fluently, and according to that site it's easier to learn Spanish if you already speak a 'romantic' language such as French. Has anyone else been in this situation? Have you found Spanish easy, or hard to learn?

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  • PyscoJuggaloPyscoJuggalo Member UncommonPosts: 1,114
    If you want to live in the Western Hemisphere, go Spanish.
    If you want to remain in Europe, go German.

    I don't have a clue about what you should do in Asia.  I'm guessing Mandrin Chinese, because I thought it was the most common laguage in Asia.

    BTW-  I found Spanish easier to learn (I'm not fluent though), but I grew up in a neighborhood that was 30% Latino, so I already knew how to curse and some very basic grammatical rules (which mostlikely are similar to french).

    BUT- If you had more contact with German, since it's similar to English, it may be easier for you to learn.



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  • AnagethAnageth Member Posts: 2,217



    Originally posted by PyscoJuggalo
    If you want to live in the Western Hemisphere, go Spanish.
    If you want to remain in Europe, go German.

    I don't have a clue about what you should do in Asia.  I'm guessing Mandrin Chinese, because I thought it was the most common laguage in Asia.

    BTW-  I found Spanish easier to learn (I'm not fluent though), but I grew up in a neighborhood that was 30% Latino, so I already knew how to curse and some very basic grammatical rules (which mostlikely are similar to french).

    BUT- If you had more contact with German, since it's similar to English, it may be easier for you to learn.



    Well that's the thing, I'm not sure where I want to live. According to that site, Spanish is ranked #2 in the world, after English. So it's a fair bet that wherever I am, Spanish will come in useful.

    As for contact with the languages, I've had pretty much the same amount. I went to an international school in France, so I met French, English, Germans, Scandinavians... you name it, we had it.

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  • LilithIshtarLilithIshtar Member Posts: 667

    Originally posted by PyscoJuggalo

    I don't have a clue about what you should do in Asia.  I'm guessing Mandrin Chinese, because I thought it was the most common laguage in Asia.


    China alone has over 40 different versions of Chinese. And Mandrin Chinese is the worldest second hardest language to learn. So don't both with that. x.x

    Im still learning Japanese after just four years. The Asian languages are the hardest to learn and always take the longest. But it's well worth it in the end. ^^

    I found Spanish harder to learn than Japanese. But thats because I hate the spanish language and like Japanese more.


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  • AnagethAnageth Member Posts: 2,217



    Originally posted by LilithIshtar



    Originally posted by PyscoJuggalo

    I don't have a clue about what you should do in Asia.  I'm guessing Mandrin Chinese, because I thought it was the most common laguage in Asia.



    China alone has over 40 different versions of Chinese. And Mandrin Chinese is the worldest second hardest language to learn. So don't both with that. x.x

    Im still learning Japanese after just four years. The Asian languages are the hardest to learn and always take the longest. But it's well worth it in the end. ^^

    I found Spanish harder to learn than Japanese. But thats because I hate the spanish language and like Japanese more.


    I had considered an Asian language a while ago, but I discounted it because it might not come in useful. Chances are I won't be living in an Asian country, and even if I do, I wouldn't be staying there for long periods of time.

    Anyone else learning Spanish?

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  • shaeshae Member Posts: 2,509

    I actually found Spanish relatively easy to learn but I'm multilingual, so that might be why.

    My native language is Russian and I learned standard Mandarin at a very young age, my parents started teaching me English but I took to French easier so I didn't really get into actual spoken English until a fairly late age when we moved to Canada.

    Since then I've picked up a little Italian and Spanish and between the two, the Spanish is most deffanitely the easier way to go.

  • AnagethAnageth Member Posts: 2,217



    Originally posted by shae

    I actually found Spanish relatively easy to learn but I'm multilingual, so that might be why.
    My native language is Russian and I learned standard Mandarin at a very young age, my parents started teaching me English but I took to French easier so I didn't really get into actual spoken English until a fairly late age when we moved to Canada.
    Since then I've picked up a little Italian and Spanish and between the two, the Spanish is most deffanitely the easier way to go.



    Awesome, I'm pretty sure I'll start learning Spanish then. Thanks. :)

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  • ZepeeZepee Member Posts: 947
    Go with spanish. Believe me when I say German is not an easy language... it's hard, it has very difficult grammar, AND they have 3 "genres", male, female, and neutral... it's crazy!

    Oh, and with spanish you'll be just a few steps away from learning portuguese(brazilian).... Its a combo image

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  • 8hammer88hammer8 Member Posts: 1,812

    I took French in highschool (even though I asked for Spanish which would have been more useful here in Cali, I was just to lazy to switch it) and have gone to France and been able to speak a little.  I picked up Spanish while living here in Cali as well as in south Texas.  I found the two languages to be so similar that I would replace one word for another and found that people still understood me.

    I would say Spanish should be a breeze for you if you already understand French.  The conjugations and sentence structure seem to be very easy to pick up.

    J'ai un problem avec francais.

    Yo Tango un problema con espainol.

    I have a problem with english.

    These languages are useful, especially being in Europe, so have fun whatever you decide.

     

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  • AnagethAnageth Member Posts: 2,217



    Originally posted by Zepee
    Go with spanish. Believe me when I say German is not an easy language... it's hard, it has very difficult grammar, AND they have 3 "genres", male, female, and neutral... it's crazy!

    Oh, and with spanish you'll be just a few steps away from learning portuguese(brazilian).... Its a combo image



    Really? I have a Portugese friend, who comes from Braga in the North and he can barely understand the Spanish. He even says that Brazilians are 'fake portugese', and that they speak like idiots (not that he's racist or anything).

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  • ZepeeZepee Member Posts: 947

    Originally posted by Anageth
    Originally posted by Zepee
    Go with spanish. Believe me when I say German is not an easy language... it's hard, it has very difficult grammar, AND they have 3 "genres", male, female, and neutral... it's crazy!

    Oh, and with spanish you'll be just a few steps away from learning portuguese(brazilian).... Its a combo image
    Really? I have a Portugese friend, who comes from Braga in the North and he can barely understand the Spanish. He even says that Brazilians are 'fake portugese', and that they speak like idiots (not that he's racist or anything).

    There are some portuguese people that don't like brazilians, and the other way round... which is a non-sense I say. If you understand portuguese, you understand Brazilian.... some different words and accent, more or less like british/american english.

    The thing with spanish people is: They speak fast as hell, so it isn't very easy to understand them. But if they speak slowly you will know what they want and the other way round(although they are less susceptible to understand portuguese.... but I think that's because portuguease people have some afinity with foreign languages image). For example, I met some spanish guys these holidays, and we could understand each other... sometimes there was one thing or another that was hard to understand, but it was fairly comprehensible. And none of us/them had ever had spanish/portuguese classes.

    Oh, and people from the north of portugal have a quite diferent accent than us from the centre/south.. him not understanding spanish might come from there. I'm from Lisbon, and I think our accent is more similar to spanish than the north accent.

    But if you learn spanish, and then attempt to learn portuguese, I'm absolutly sure you would have no problem at all.


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  • AnagethAnageth Member Posts: 2,217



    Originally posted by Zepee



    Originally posted by Anageth



    Originally posted by Zepee
    Go with spanish. Believe me when I say German is not an easy language... it's hard, it has very difficult grammar, AND they have 3 "genres", male, female, and neutral... it's crazy!

    Oh, and with spanish you'll be just a few steps away from learning portuguese(brazilian).... Its a combo image


    Really? I have a Portugese friend, who comes from Braga in the North and he can barely understand the Spanish. He even says that Brazilians are 'fake portugese', and that they speak like idiots (not that he's racist or anything).



    There are some portuguese people that don't like brazilians, and the other way round... which is a non-sense I say. If you understand portuguese, you understand Brazilian.... some different words and accent, more or less like british/american english.

    The thing with spanish people is: They speak fast as hell, so it isn't very easy to understand them. But if they speak slowly you will know what they want and the other way round(although they are less susceptible to understand portuguese.... but I think that's because portuguease people have some afinity with foreign languages image). For example, I met some spanish guys these holidays, and we could understand each other... sometimes there was one thing or another that was hard to understand, but it was fairly comprehensible. And none of us/them had ever had spanish/portuguese classes.

    Oh, and people from the north of portugal have a quite diferent accent than us from the centre/south.. him not understanding spanish might come from there. I'm from Lisbon, and I think our accent is more similar to spanish than the north accent.

    But if you learn spanish, and then attempt to learn portuguese, I'm absolutly sure you would have no problem at all.



    That actually cleared a lot up for me, thanks. Is there any reason why the Spanish speak fast? Is it just the way they are supposed to speak?

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  • DraenorDraenor Member UncommonPosts: 7,918
    I speak fairly good German and it's not a very difficult language to learn...given that English is a Germanic language in the first place, it's really just a matter of memorizing the major cases(German has only four)  and then getting your vocabulary up...which could be said about other languages too I suppose, but if you already speak English then German won't be that difficult for you.

    Your argument is like a two legged dog with an eating disorder...weak and unbalanced.

  • ThriftThrift Member Posts: 1,783

    Hmm I dont know if thats true but I can tell you its harder to learn a language when your older.

  • LostGraceLostGrace Member Posts: 380

    Originally posted by Zepee
    Go with spanish. Believe me when I say German is not an easy language... it's hard, it has very difficult grammar, AND they have 3 "genres", male, female, and neutral... it's crazy!

    Oh, and with spanish you'll be just a few steps away from learning portuguese(brazilian).... Its a combo image

    you got the same thing w/ french

    les, le and la

    I think.

    And cannot forget Un and Une.

    And then you got verb congergation. >.<

    And oh god, irregular verbs. >.<


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  • DraenorDraenor Member UncommonPosts: 7,918



    Originally posted by LostGrace



    Originally posted by Zepee
    Go with spanish. Believe me when I say German is not an easy language... it's hard, it has very difficult grammar, AND they have 3 "genres", male, female, and neutral... it's crazy!

    Oh, and with spanish you'll be just a few steps away from learning portuguese(brazilian).... Its a combo image





    Der Die and Das aren't that hard to memorize...There are some words that make no sense at all for their "gender", such as "rock"(skirt) being being a masculine noun...but those end up being easier to remember because they are so goofy.  Gramatically though, German is very basic...you put the primary verb in the second position and any further modifying verbs go at the end of the sentence in their infinitive form...certain cases vary a little bit but it's very easy to get the basics down and be able to converse with people and have them know what you are talking about...Mastery of the language just takes practice.

    Your argument is like a two legged dog with an eating disorder...weak and unbalanced.

  • cathuroscathuros Member Posts: 12
    I've studied both -- German for three and a half years and Spanish for two and a half -- and though I much prefer German, I'd recommend Spanish for you.

    German is NOT an easy language. It has cases, while in Spanish the only time you see cases is with pronouns. German has three genders while Spanish has two. And when you get to more advanced German and have to face down their godawful, labyrinthine prose with clauses within clauses, you'll want to tear your hair out.

    Spanish word order deviates from English only in simple and predictable ways. It keeps a remarkably similar overall sentence structure that makes it a breeze to construct longer sentences. In German it's a nightmare.

    Also, you already know French, so Spanish will be an absolute BREEZE for you.

    German is really only useful in tourism or international business, so I'd say Spanish is definitely more useful, too.



  • olddaddyolddaddy Member Posts: 3,356



    Originally posted by Anageth

    Now I already speak French fluently, and according to that site it's easier to learn Spanish if you already speak a 'romantic' language such as French. Has anyone else been in this situation? Have you found Spanish easy, or hard to learn?
    Cheers.



    Along time ago...in a galaxy far, far away....I had 4 years of Spanish. There were about 24 Spanish students, and about 8 French students in my junior high school. We used to study it together, so we quizzed the French students in French, and they quizzed the Spanish students in Spanish, and you know what, we were each picking up the other language course. So, IMO, French to Spanish is not that hard. Now, languages are easier to learn in bed, so, figure out whether you want a Spanish girlfriend, or a French girlfriend...

    Or, as you live in the UK, you could always study American English.....

  • AnagethAnageth Member Posts: 2,217


    Originally posted by olddaddy


    Originally posted by Anageth
    Now I already speak French fluently, and according to that site it's easier to learn Spanish if you already speak a 'romantic' language such as French. Has anyone else been in this situation? Have you found Spanish easy, or hard to learn?
    Cheers.


    Along time ago...in a galaxy far, far away....I had 4 years of Spanish. There were about 24 Spanish students, and about 8 French students in my junior high school. We used to study it together, so we quizzed the French students in French, and they quizzed the Spanish students in Spanish, and you know what, we were each picking up the other language course. So, IMO, French to Spanish is not that hard. Now, languages are easier to learn in bed, so, figure out whether you want a Spanish girlfriend, or a French girlfriend...
    Or, as you live in the UK, you could always study American English.....


    That's good to know, as for American English... what's that, pronouncing potato and tomato differently?


    Originally posted by cathuros I've studied both -- German for three and a half years and Spanish for two and a half -- and though I much prefer German, I'd recommend Spanish for you.German is NOT an easy language. It has cases, while in Spanish the only time you see cases is with pronouns. German has three genders while Spanish has two. And when you get to more advanced German and have to face down their godawful, labyrinthine prose with clauses within clauses, you'll want to tear your hair out. Spanish word order deviates from English only in simple and predictable ways. It keeps a remarkably similar overall sentence structure that makes it a breeze to construct longer sentences. In German it's a nightmare.Also, you already know French, so Spanish will be an absolute BREEZE for you.German is really only useful in tourism or international business, so I'd say Spanish is definitely more useful, too.


    Awesome, that's what I was hoping. I have a couple of native Germans on my course, and they pretty much said the same thing. No going back now, Spanish is the way to go.

    Cheers guys.

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  • HexagenHexagen Member Posts: 47

    Go for Spanish. It's just so much more practical these days.

    French only comes in handy if you want to live in France. Every other country that speaks french either speaks another language or is too small and obscure to live in.

    Spanish is already imporant on the west coast. And I think it's easier.

     

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  • AnagethAnageth Member Posts: 2,217



    Originally posted by Hexagen

    Go for Spanish. It's just so much more practical these days.
    French only comes in handy if you want to live in France. Every other country that speaks french either speaks another language or is too small and obscure to live in.
    Spanish is already imporant on the west coast. And I think it's easier.



    French is used in the following countries, and even if it's not the primary language, it is widely used:

    France, Democratic Republic of the Congo, Canada, Madagascar, C

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  • DraenorDraenor Member UncommonPosts: 7,918
    Why the hell did I find German to be so easy in the four years that I took it??  Everybody here says that it's hard...meh, I guess the cases didn't really bother me, and it helped that I had the same teacher for three of those years

    Your argument is like a two legged dog with an eating disorder...weak and unbalanced.

  • olddaddyolddaddy Member Posts: 3,356


     

    That's good to know, as for American English... what's that, pronouncing potato and tomato differently?



    And learning about real football.....(ducks and covers)

  • DraenorDraenor Member UncommonPosts: 7,918



    Originally posted by olddaddy



     

    That's good to know, as for American English... what's that, pronouncing potato and tomato differently?



    And learning about real football.....(ducks and covers)


    I don't even know why we call it English, it pisses off the Europeans so much(namely the Brits) that we should just start calling it American just to shut them up.

    Don't get me started on the soccer vs football thing image

    Your argument is like a two legged dog with an eating disorder...weak and unbalanced.

  • ViolentYViolentY Member Posts: 1,458

    "China alone has over 40 different versions of Chinese. And Mandrin Chinese is the worldest second hardest language to learn. So don't both with that. x.x"

    Actually, Mandarin Chinese is quite an easy language to learn as spoken, because they don't really have a grammar like the romantic and germanic languages do. They use things like verb clusters. The only difficulty is pronounciation (very small differences in the way you say a word can mean very different things). Written, it can become very difficult, ESPECIALLY if you try to write traditional chinese.

    Spanish is very easy to learn if you already know another romantic language. It's the same conjugation, same cognates, and sometimes even the same words. However, there are a few small rules with sentence structure (for instance, negating things) that are different in spanish. It will be frustrating to learn the new rules, mainly because everything else in the language will be incredibly easy to pick up.

    If it would help, I might even reccomend taking Italian. Yes, French is a lot like Spanish, but Italian is even more like Spanish. You could speak Spanish to an Italian and they'd understand it relatively fine.

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  • LostGraceLostGrace Member Posts: 380
    Just a quick thing.

    French is a mix of Latin and Celtic. Thats all it is.

    Now...

    English is a mixure of French and Anglo-Saxon. Anglo-Saxon is called a germantic language because of were it originated from (the area were Germany is now). But it is not based of modern day german.



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