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NGE "Target Audience" Post of the Week
Wildcat84
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| TehRancorKeeper Community Member Posts: 134 Registered: 10-05-2006  Reply 1 of 86 | | I made my first Jedi today. It's pretty fun but why do we have to start out with the stupid "training polearm"? Why can't we just get a lightsaber from the get go? I think this may turn a lot of first time players off. | |
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Someone should tell him he can't wield a Lightsaber properly till after puberty.
welcome to the nge target market....the fast food drivethough instant breakfast generation who want immediate gratification.
And yet the nge crowd still complains lol. SOE gives them a super easy quest for a vehicle, thousands of ways to get fast credits, loot drops, tools, etc.
I still remember having to run delivery missions to earn enough credits so I could fly to another world so I could sample resources to make a lousy crafting tool or survey tool.
Game is way to freakin easy now
Yup. Well said.
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But then they need to level. So make everyone level 90.
But meh, then you need to log in and play. So, turn off login server.
And subscriptions are also a chore, entering all those 16 number, and 3 more. Them big numbers make head hurt. So let's turn off the subscription.
So, killing off SWG this very moment is the best thing for players.
Someone mail this to the people in charge.
That was all we needed to start making our own way in the universe. Kids these days...
HEY! GET OFF MY LAWN!
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Eve: Cardoh Dycen
I support random drug testing for all SOE employees
That was all we needed to start making our own way in the universe. Kids these days...
HEY! GET OFF MY LAWN!
AND WE WERE GRATEFUL FOR IT !!!
Now where'd I put my glasses.
Catering to this audience might be an up and coming trend. I noticed this a couple of days ago on Blue's News.
Guild Wars Support has word that their online store now offers the Guild Wars PvP Editions, offering PvP play in ArenaNet's MMORPG without the PvE grind. Word is: "The Guild Wars PvP Editions give players instant access to all the PvP action that a campaign has to offer. Available through the online Official Guild Wars store, the PvP editions allow you to create PvP characters from that campaign, and give you access to the full skill list for each profession."
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Wyeth - Chilastra 8/30/03-6/1/05 Master Artisan, Master Weaponsmith, Master Shipwright (after giving up Weaponsmith), Master Merchant
Zadox - Chilastra 12/1/03-6/3/05 Master Rifleman, Master Scout, Master Ranger.
C
Nah, too long, NGE target audience could never read through all that!
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Don't click here...no2
/salute Garvin, Ryubushi, Ackehance, DiLune
Have faith in God, believe in antimatter.
Those who earned it respected it. I know there were ebayers and others who dishonored the Jedi profession.
But THIS Bothan never did.
This is handy for the hardcore non-carebear crowd that has been whining since the start about boring PvE.
In this case, It's A Good Thing(tm).
In addition, with 3 chapters, and over 1000+ skills to unlock, with hundreds of additional mods, anyone new to the game would need 6-12 months to unlock everything. GW has always followed the Skill over Time, this is just one facet of it. There are other ways to obtain the unlocks or other things.
The most important thing here is, that they are constructively making game accessible to newcomers and pvpers. Two distinct groups, but vital for life of the game. This is not the "Here's a free Jedi, please subscribe" type of deal.
Also, GW has, since start, allowed anyone to create maxed out pvp only character.
Geeee I wonder where he got this idea from, lets seeee
Oh yeah, thanks George
"If we don't attack them, they will attack us first. So we'd better retaliate before they have a chance to strike"
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Wyeth - Chilastra 8/30/03-6/1/05 Master Artisan, Master Weaponsmith, Master Shipwright (after giving up Weaponsmith), Master Merchant
Zadox - Chilastra 12/1/03-6/3/05 Master Rifleman, Master Scout, Master Ranger.
And this folks is what Jedi has become ....
Outstanding....
But hey it saved the NGE
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I usually picture the Career builder commercial with the room full of monkeys and upside down sales chart when thinking about the SOE/SWG decision making process.....
SOE's John Blakely and Todd Fiala issued a warning: "Don't make our mistakes." Ref NGE
Winner of the worst MMOS goes to.... the NGE and SWG..!!! http://www.mmorpg.com/showFeature.cfm?loadFeature=1034&bhcp=1
The shameful truth is that handing out insta-click Jedi completely backfired. All it did was piss on the customers who put a great deal of time into their toon, while cheapening the Jedi experience even more in game.
The members of my guild that had always wanted to go jedi logged in once the NGE went live, rolled an insta-click Jedi, saw how lame it was, and left the game behind. Each one of them confided in me that they felt let down. They wanted to earn their Jedi, and they wanted it to be something worthy once they had gotten it. Even guildies that knew they would never had made Jedi under the old systems thought the insta-poof was cheap.
I'll never forget standing in Mos Eisley watching one particular newb running up to random people asking:
"Hey, where's my Lightsaber and Master Robes n' stuff?" "What do you mean I have to make my saber? Where do I get the stuff to make it?" For maybe 30 mins he went on like this. Dumb NPC stormtroopers, and "on leave" Imperial PCs just stood there - uninterested in the least. It was quite clear from listening to him that he had no clue about SWG. Most likely he had heard they were giving away free jedi, loaded up a client and logged in.
I just stood there thinking - is this what Jedi has been reduced to? Is this what our virtual Star Wars Mos Eisley has been reduced to? This isn't a simulation, this is a costume party. Ooh look - there's Darth Revan no 164 . . .
But for every 1 of those new insta-Jedi, how many faithful veterans did they turn away? And utlimately, how many of those insta-Jedi ended up staying?
SWG Team Mtg.
Yep --- at a certain point your vocal minority voice becomes the one that is heard too.
At the summit meetings they BOOED the Devs damn near off the stage when this subject got brought up -- in Indy it was the loudest boo and response of hecling so bad they stopped talking.
Nobody was in that room telling them how great they were that day I tell ya.
They had to use a carrot for the NGE it was explained to us at the summit that Jedi was the victim of this.
What better carrot or better yet -- THIS WAS THE ONLY carrot or card they had left to play at the timing and blow of the NGE.
This was used to get people back, or keep people... simply said.
Sucker -- Carrot on a stick called Jedi.....
Sad and yet --- another mistake made by the powers that be.
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I usually picture the Career builder commercial with the room full of monkeys and upside down sales chart when thinking about the SOE/SWG decision making process.....
SOE's John Blakely and Todd Fiala issued a warning: "Don't make our mistakes." Ref NGE
Winner of the worst MMOS goes to.... the NGE and SWG..!!! http://www.mmorpg.com/showFeature.cfm?loadFeature=1034&bhcp=1
All games need to cater to their audience. Someone making a chickflick will try to cater to all that, not bring in Ahnold with 2 M-16s.
You need to be careful here. GW has by design (very important) foreseen two, completely separated, yet interconnected gameplay modes. PvP and PvE. Both can be played separately, or jointly. This was done from the start at design level (key factor here).
The new set of unlocks doesn't give you anything. This isn't insta-Jedi type of deal, where you devalue someone elses work. The reality is, MMOs that try to cater to all groups you'll fail. Understand who your players are. Then accept the limitations of your product. Both of these points are very important.
Lastly, all of this is moot point. GW is not grind game. All items are equal and worthless. You need to learn gameplay to be of any use in pvp, and that can't be bought. Even high-end pve items offer 0 benefit of any kind whatsoever. This is in start contrast to any other MMORPG.
Ironically, GW had to find a way to replace the grind with content. And that is where the future MMOs will need to go. Third chapter simply blew everything away content-wise, and WOW:BC will have hard, or probably impossible task of offering that much in scope of WoW.
As for reality check, pvp vs. pve population (one thing only) in GW is same as elsewhere, at around 20:80 ratio. This is an estimate based on instance sizes, ladder activity and forum activity.
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