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Prominent Anti-Gay Pastor Caught In Gay Relationship ???
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DENVER - A gay man and admitted male
escort claims he has had an ongoing sexual
relationship with a
well-known Evangelical pastor from Colorado Springs.
Mike Jones told 9 Wants to Know
Investigative Reporter Paula Woodward he has had a "sexual business"
relationship with Pastor Ted Haggard for the past three years.
Haggard is the founder and senior leader of the New Life Church in Colorado Springs. The church has 14,000 members.
He is also president of the National Association of Evangelicals, an organization that represents millions of people.
Haggard is married with five children and an outspoken critic of gay marriage.
Jones came forward Wednesday morning on talk radio.
In an exclusive interview Wednesday night, Haggard denied the claims
and told 9NEWS he is prepared for his own church to investigate them.
"I did not have a homosexual relationship with a man in Denver,"
said Haggard. "I am steady with my wife. I'm faithful to my wife."
"I don't know if this is election year politics or if this has to do
with the marriage amendment or what it is, but I'm not even the guy who
will investigate it or question it. I don't know what the dynamics are,
but this independent group will come in and do that."
Jones started talking to 9 Wants to Know two months ago. He claims
Haggard has been paying him for sex over the past three years, even
though Haggard preaches that homosexuality is a sin.
Jones also claims Haggard used methamphetamine in his presence on several occasions.
"People may look at me and think what I've done is immoral, but I
think I had to do the moral thing in my mind and that is expose someone
who is preaching one thing and doing the opposite behind everybody's
back," said Jones.
Former NBC News anchor Tom Brokaw profiled Haggard in 2005 in a
series on mega-churches. Haggard was also listed by Time magazine as
one of the 25 most influential Evangelicals in America last year.
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He prolly wants MONEY LOTSA AND LOTSA MONEY. im gonna go with a book deal maby.
Titled "How I F-ED a Pastor"
That would be horrible but who knows in the crazy world we live in
The title in this thread is very misleading.. being accused of something is hardly the same as being caught doing something.
ANyway, I hope it isn't true, Christians have been coming under a lot of fire lately because of loud mouths like Mel Gibson who like to be preachy and then go against what they claim to believe.
Your argument is like a two legged dog with an eating disorder...weak and unbalanced.
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Not sure what to say. We had people from that church walk around my neighborhood alot though, knocking on doors. Alot. x.x So my parents set up a sign stating not to do so.
Mmm...
Oh well? Lol.
Independant, Shinto, Lesbian, and Proud!
Seems the pastor that the OP put the thread up about has now quit. There must be more to the story. And the guy accusing him of it claims to have physical proof.
When are people going to quit making a big deal about homosexuality? It's obvious there's more to it than the old beliefs. Now someone who preaches against it is accused of it. If it's true, then what does that mean? Even the people who are adamantly against it are secretly doing it. So, I'm sure there are tons more in denial living a fake life. It's not fair to them or the people they marry and have kids with. Didn't you guys see Brokeback Mountain? What a tragedy!
Key Evangelical Quits Amid Gay Sex Claim
Stuff like airplane crashes, murders, natural catastrophes(that killed people), exciting stuff celebrities are doing, govt controversies, and local knee-jerk bible moral homosexual shock stories that might have an impact on an election.
Don't be terrorized! You're more likely to die of a car accident, drowning, fire, or murder! More people die every year from prescription drugs than terrorism LOL!
If the head of the Evangelicals hadn't done all of those things there wouldn't be any story. Right?
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If the head of the Evangelicals hadn't done all of those things there wouldn't be any story. Right?
Im not trying to divert the focus of the story . Im just saying everytime a story like this comes out in the media its like a snowball effect. More and more of these types of stories pop-up as the medias obsession increases until something more shocking comes out, like a horrific plane crash or bombing.
Don't be terrorized! You're more likely to die of a car accident, drowning, fire, or murder! More people die every year from prescription drugs than terrorism LOL!
I just wanted to point out that this is the guy from the RICHARD DAWKINGS video; this is the evangelist that he talks to about evolution etc. I know you guys are obsessed with that book and video. yes this is the richard dawkings from the recent SOUTH PARK episode.
Because generally I feel that not much is truly known about these things, at least to me, I keep my nose out of a lot of stuff; but I will say this guy TED HAGGARD has always creeped me right tf out. Homosexuality has nothing to do with that, though.
EDIT: also, you guys gotta check out that video made my Evangelists called George Bush: Faith in the White House. It poses as an unbiased documentary but it's actually just a hilarious, scripted, piece of propaganda to get Christians to vote for Bush based on his religious beliefs. there is much TED HAGGARD in it.
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""But New Life Church's acting pastor later said Haggard had acknowledged some of the accusations were true. In an e-mail to congregants, Ross Parsley wrote that the church's four-member board of overseers had met with Haggard.
"It is important for you to know that he confessed to the overseers that some of the accusations against him are true. He has willingly and humbly submitted to the authority of the board of overseers, and will remain on administrative leave during the course of the investigation," the e-mail stated. A copy was obtained by KMGH-TV in Denver.""
Clicky
""But New Life Church's acting pastor later said Haggard had acknowledged some of the accusations were true. In an e-mail to congregants, Ross Parsley wrote that the church's four-member board of overseers had met with Haggard.
"It is important for you to know that he confessed to the overseers that some of the accusations against him are true. He has willingly and humbly submitted to the authority of the board of overseers, and will remain on administrative leave during the course of the investigation," the e-mail stated. A copy was obtained by KMGH-TV in Denver.""
He's admitted to the meth and now a "massage" from the guy.
Now, another marriage is ruined because people are not allowed to be themselves. Why can't people just give up on this hatred for homosexuals and let people be with who they love? He has 5 kids who are now going to be hurt by this along with a wife.
I honestly feel sorry for the guy. I feel sorry for him and his family. It's like that mayor of New Jersey who came out of the closet after having kids and being married. Now people are hurt when it could have never happened.
How can someone be a Christian preacher and be gay at the same time? That's impossible. I mean, the guy prays to the Lord everyday.
I bet his congregation and all the evangelicals out there praying will make him straight. He's going to be okay.
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Clicky
""But New Life Church's acting pastor later said Haggard had acknowledged some of the accusations were true. In an e-mail to congregants, Ross Parsley wrote that the church's four-member board of overseers had met with Haggard.
"It is important for you to know that he confessed to the overseers that some of the accusations against him are true. He has willingly and humbly submitted to the authority of the board of overseers, and will remain on administrative leave during the course of the investigation," the e-mail stated. A copy was obtained by KMGH-TV in Denver.""
He's admitted to the meth and now a "massage" from the guy.
Now, another marriage is ruined because people are not allowed to be themselves. Why can't people just give up on this hatred for homosexuals and let people be with who they love? He has 5 kids who are now going to be hurt by this along with a wife.
I honestly feel sorry for the guy. I feel sorry for him and his family. It's like that mayor of New Jersey who came out of the closet after having kids and being married. Now people are hurt when it could have never happened.
Who held a gun to his head and forced him to not be his true self? Sounds like he had denial and self esteem problems if he goes, gets married, has 5 kids, and tries to lead a double life.
Don't be terrorized! You're more likely to die of a car accident, drowning, fire, or murder! More people die every year from prescription drugs than terrorism LOL!
The guy is a lieing, cheating, good for nothin', hypocritical bastard.
How you somehow try to blame that on the people who create a stigma for homosexuality, is absolutely absurd.
Clicky
""But New Life Church's acting pastor later said Haggard had acknowledged some of the accusations were true. In an e-mail to congregants, Ross Parsley wrote that the church's four-member board of overseers had met with Haggard.
"It is important for you to know that he confessed to the overseers that some of the accusations against him are true. He has willingly and humbly submitted to the authority of the board of overseers, and will remain on administrative leave during the course of the investigation," the e-mail stated. A copy was obtained by KMGH-TV in Denver.""
He's admitted to the meth and now a "massage" from the guy.
Now, another marriage is ruined because people are not allowed to be themselves. Why can't people just give up on this hatred for homosexuals and let people be with who they love?
No ones stopping him.
And who says he's a homosexual? Could be bi.
He has 5 kids who are now going to be hurt by this along with a wife.
I honestly feel sorry for the guy. I feel sorry for him and his family. It's like that mayor of New Jersey who came out of the closet after having kids and being married. Now people are hurt when it could have never happened.
The guy is a lieing, cheating, good for nothin', hypocritical bastard.
How you somehow try to blame that on the people who create a stigma for homosexuality, is absolutely absurd.
For once I agree with Reavo...he isn't blaming the people that create the stigma behind homosexuality...he said that it's terrible that people can't just be themselves, what I got out of that is that Reavo thinks that the guy was probably gay all along and just didn't want to accept it.
Personally, I think that the guy is just very troubled, and confused...he says that he bought meth, but never used it, and that the guy gave him a massage...for a straight, and married man, that is very troubling...It's a real shame when something like this happens with an outspoken Christian, it really sheds a bad light on us all when one of our own is seen as a massive hypocrite.
Your argument is like a two legged dog with an eating disorder...weak and unbalanced.
i think everyone here on these boards at one point in time in their life has been a hypocrite. my point is everyone here has done something wrong and we think we can run around and make judgements. lemme end with this you who is without sin cast the first stone.
Gelasius
Clicky
""But New Life Church's acting pastor later said Haggard had acknowledged some of the accusations were true. In an e-mail to congregants, Ross Parsley wrote that the church's four-member board of overseers had met with Haggard.
"It is important for you to know that he confessed to the overseers that some of the accusations against him are true. He has willingly and humbly submitted to the authority of the board of overseers, and will remain on administrative leave during the course of the investigation," the e-mail stated. A copy was obtained by KMGH-TV in Denver.""
He's admitted to the meth and now a "massage" from the guy.
Now, another marriage is ruined because people are not allowed to be themselves. Why can't people just give up on this hatred for homosexuals and let people be with who they love? He has 5 kids who are now going to be hurt by this along with a wife.
I honestly feel sorry for the guy. I feel sorry for him and his family. It's like that mayor of New Jersey who came out of the closet after having kids and being married. Now people are hurt when it could have never happened.
Who held a gun to his head and forced him to not be his true self? Sounds like he had denial and self esteem problems if he goes, gets married, has 5 kids, and tries to lead a double life.
Nobody put a gun to his head and made him do anything by that kind of force. But there are other ways that people can be forced into a situation. If he took his religion serious enough then the fear of going to hell may have forced him into this situation.
I'm not saying it's not his fault. Don't get me wrong. But there are times when there is enough fault to go around to plenty of people. Eventually, nature is going to be too strong to deny. If someone is gay, they are gay. That means that by nature they are attracted to the same sex, both sexually and emotionally. I'm sure he loves his kids, but I would be that he felt as lonely with his wife as he could have felt by himself. And that loneliness can get to a person.
Clicky
""But New Life Church's acting pastor later said Haggard had acknowledged some of the accusations were true. In an e-mail to congregants, Ross Parsley wrote that the church's four-member board of overseers had met with Haggard.
"It is important for you to know that he confessed to the overseers that some of the accusations against him are true. He has willingly and humbly submitted to the authority of the board of overseers, and will remain on administrative leave during the course of the investigation," the e-mail stated. A copy was obtained by KMGH-TV in Denver.""
He's admitted to the meth and now a "massage" from the guy.
Now, another marriage is ruined because people are not allowed to be themselves. Why can't people just give up on this hatred for homosexuals and let people be with who they love?
No ones stopping him.
And who says he's a homosexual? Could be bi.
He has 5 kids who are now going to be hurt by this along with a wife.
I honestly feel sorry for the guy. I feel sorry for him and his family. It's like that mayor of New Jersey who came out of the closet after having kids and being married. Now people are hurt when it could have never happened.
The guy is a lieing, cheating, good for nothin', hypocritical bastard.
How you somehow try to blame that on the people who create a stigma for homosexuality, is absolutely absurd.
Wow, I'm not even a Christian and I'm cutting the guy more slack than you. I wouldn't judge anyone like that. You never know what he was going through. Now his congregation that he preached forgiveness to is going to be tested. And he is probably going to realize what his message of intolerance can do to others.
At first I admit that I felt kind of a "gotcha" towards this guy. But that's not right. And I do feel sorry for him. And I feel bad that I thought what I thought at first. I'm ashamed of it.
I hope that everything works out for the best for him and his kids. I feel sorry for his wife as well.
Things like this are never going to end until society quits pressuring people to act like someone they're not and live up to who they really are. And the freedom will come for others to be with who they really love. Then we will all benefit.
"Thou shalt not bear false witness"
This is what happens when people do.
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I think perhaps things are going to get better. From what I've seen the younger generations are going to kick these old prejudices to the curb.
*sigh* Well, I guess I'm split about the issue. I guess people make mistakes...in this case a HUGE mistake. But he was so outspoken about gay marriage, very head strong about the issue (i guess you can call him a hypocrite to some extent). Well i hope the prayers of the church members will come through and help the preacher out.
I really agree, you really can't judge someone who has done wrong when you yourself have done wrong.
If at first you don't succeed, destroy all evidence that you tried.