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  • superhero13superhero13 Member Posts: 170

    Originally posted by wolfmann
    "we'll release when ready" is way better than: "We'll release what we got and patch it all later" How many games have lost much because of catastrophic launches and unfinished buggy gameplay?
    I disagree I think they are equally as bad. I think its a complete cop out to say "when ready" then use as it as an excuse to waste time once you've started to promote something.

    Players are customers that companies create expectations for. If you set my reasonable expectation then break it for an unreasonable reason thats f**cked up.  Some of you will say that devs dont owe anyone anything. They sure as hell do if you want us to buy their products.  The customer / dev relationship is just that - a relationship. Screw me over and you'll hear about it.


  • Mo0kMo0k Member Posts: 37
    When have they promoted anything? I don't see any press releases. All they've done is a couple of interviews about how the game's going.

    The video wasn't released by them, remember, it was MOGArmy.

    I think they deserve to slack off as much as they want. If they do, then they won't get any revenue from the game, so they lose. Seeing as they haven't stated they will even release the game means that we cannot expect anything from them.



  • GrimCreepGrimCreep Member Posts: 121



    Originally posted by Mo0k
    When have they promoted anything? I don't see any press releases. All they've done is a couple of interviews about how the game's going.

    The video wasn't released by them, remember, it was MOGArmy.

    I think they deserve to slack off as much as they want. If they do, then they won't get any revenue from the game, so they lose. Seeing as they haven't stated they will even release the game means that we cannot expect anything from them.




    Obviously mook has done his homework instead of trying to shock and awe the forums with incoherent ramblings.

    Amen Mook, Amenimage

    Lead with your face and role with the punches.

  • superhero13superhero13 Member Posts: 170
    Well its obvious you guys love the game and are kissing a$$ to the devs. Have fun with that - i wont even try to stop you.

    But even putting up a website creates expecations in a customer. You can live in your fantasy world - in the real business world things are different.



  • SalvatorisSalvatoris Member Posts: 1,360

    I don't have a ton faith in this game ever coming out. It's hard to get too excited about a company that can't even maintain their lackluster website or release an occasional piece of information about the game they are making. After a few really disappointing low budget MMOS, it is pretty hard to get excited about this one.

  • StowawayStowaway Member Posts: 165

    ok bye then, thanks for stopping by. Sure you'll all come crawling back when beta is out.


    There are people here who have been waiting and watching this game for
    literally, years.... it really bugs me when people like the ones that
    surface in this thread wait a couple of weeks and then moan because its
    not in beta or release yet.... If you want to play unfinished games,
    there are plenty on the market. *WE* however, want to see this one
    nurtured and developed properly.

    Go back a few pages and see
    the amount of discussion about the game that took place before there
    was any info, back when newsletters had *gasp* CONCEPT ART (and it
    would be at least 4 months or more untill you got the next
    newsletter!)..... back before the website was redesigned with the new
    character designs and concepts. Back when we were looking at the same
    screenshots for 6 months and just talking about what we could see in
    them. And it wasn't anything compared to the screenies that come out
    now. Most of the old screenshots are said to not represent the game
    anymore.  Infact the majority of the talk was just dreaming and
    talking about what we'd want in the game......


    That is
    why it is just silly to see people who've probably seen one video or
    one letter , waited a month and then moan that they haven't been given
    all the info about the game that will ever possibly be available. 


    If you don't want to wait for it, fine? More room and oxygen in the vault for the rest of us.


    *Huffs, puffs, then goes off to read the latest fresh sexy newsletter again*



  • GrimCreepGrimCreep Member Posts: 121



    Originally posted by Stowaway
    ok bye then, thanks for stopping by. Sure you'll all come crawling back when beta is out.

    There are people here who have been waiting and watching this game for literally, years.... it really bugs me when people like the ones that surface in this thread wait a couple of weeks and then moan because its not in beta or release yet.... If you want to play unfinished games, there are plenty on the market. *WE* however, want to see this one nurtured and developed properly.

    Go back a few pages and see the amount of discussion about the game that took place before there was any info, back when newsletters had *gasp* CONCEPT ART (and it would be at least 4 months or more untill you got the next newsletter!)..... back before the website was redesigned with the new character designs and concepts. Back when we were looking at the same screenshots for 6 months and just talking about what we could see in them. And it wasn't anything compared to the screenies that come out now. Most of the old screenshots are said to not represent the game anymore.  Infact the majority of the talk was just dreaming and talking about what we'd want in the game......


    That is why it is just silly to see people who've probably seen one video or one letter , waited a month and then moan that they haven't been given all the info about the game that will ever possibly be available. 

    If you don't want to wait for it, fine? More room and oxygen in the vault for the rest of us.


    *Huffs, puffs, then goes off to read the latest fresh sexy newsletter again*




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    Lead with your face and role with the punches.

  • wolfmannwolfmann Member Posts: 1,159



    Originally posted by Stowaway
    ok bye then, thanks for stopping by. Sure you'll all come crawling back when beta is out.

    There are people here who have been waiting and watching this game for literally, years.... it really bugs me when people like the ones that surface in this thread wait a couple of weeks and then moan because its not in beta or release yet.... If you want to play unfinished games, there are plenty on the market. *WE* however, want to see this one nurtured and developed properly.

    Go back a few pages and see the amount of discussion about the game that took place before there was any info, back when newsletters had *gasp* CONCEPT ART (and it would be at least 4 months or more untill you got the next newsletter!)..... back before the website was redesigned with the new character designs and concepts. Back when we were looking at the same screenshots for 6 months and just talking about what we could see in them. And it wasn't anything compared to the screenies that come out now. Most of the old screenshots are said to not represent the game anymore.  Infact the majority of the talk was just dreaming and talking about what we'd want in the game......


    That is why it is just silly to see people who've probably seen one video or one letter , waited a month and then moan that they haven't been given all the info about the game that will ever possibly be available. 

    If you don't want to wait for it, fine? More room and oxygen in the vault for the rest of us.


    *Huffs, puffs, then goes off to read the latest fresh sexy newsletter again*




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  • suskesuske Member Posts: 714



    Originally posted by Salvatoris

    I don't have a ton faith in this game ever coming out. It's hard to get too excited about a company that can't even maintain their lackluster website or release an occasional piece of information about the game they are making. After a few really disappointing low budget MMOS, it is pretty hard to get excited about this one.




    i understand how you feel. with all the half-finished mmos out there players are becoming used to devs hyping and releasing half finished junk in the name of cash flow. i wish they would release some more info, but i guess im willing to wait if it means a finished product at launch.

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  • Mo0kMo0k Member Posts: 37

    Originally posted by Stowaway
    ok bye then, thanks for stopping by. Sure you'll all come crawling back when beta is out.

    There are people here who have been waiting and watching this game for literally, years.... it really bugs me when people like the ones that surface in this thread wait a couple of weeks and then moan because its not in beta or release yet.... If you want to play unfinished games, there are plenty on the market. *WE* however, want to see this one nurtured and developed properly.

    Go back a few pages and see the amount of discussion about the game that took place before there was any info, back when newsletters had *gasp* CONCEPT ART (and it would be at least 4 months or more untill you got the next newsletter!)..... back before the website was redesigned with the new character designs and concepts. Back when we were looking at the same screenshots for 6 months and just talking about what we could see in them. And it wasn't anything compared to the screenies that come out now. Most of the old screenshots are said to not represent the game anymore.  Infact the majority of the talk was just dreaming and talking about what we'd want in the game......


    That is why it is just silly to see people who've probably seen one video or one letter , waited a month and then moan that they haven't been given all the info about the game that will ever possibly be available. 

    If you don't want to wait for it, fine? More room and oxygen in the vault for the rest of us.


    *Huffs, puffs, then goes off to read the latest fresh sexy newsletter again*


    Thankyou, buddy!!


  • BlackmoorBlackmoor Member Posts: 96

    Originally posted by superhero13
    Well its obvious you guys love the game and are kissing a$$ to the devs. Have fun with that - i wont even try to stop you.

    But even putting up a website creates expecations in a customer. You can live in your fantasy world - in the real business world things are different.

    Gee we want a game thats finished at release. I myself consider that raising the bar for MMO's not being led around by hype to a game thats half finished where you  pay for beta 4 a year or more till they release the next half finished expansion.

     You are right however in the real world things work differently. In the real world the games kick out enough hype to choke a whale and regularly miss release dates by months if not years.

    I really fail to see how a 4 year production cycle is overly long in the MMO market. The average is 3 years but it has been getting longer and now it is reaching 4 years as the norm.  Go to a SOE, Blizz, or DNL  forum if you want to whine and cry about  broken promises , hype , and missed deadlines. Until you can back up your "strong as a wet kleenex" rant with an actual fact or two to back it up you might want to try those forums.


  • r0hnr0hn Member Posts: 185
    Originally posted by Boozek


     There is a limit to how much a company can disclose. There is also a limit where the fanbase begins to erode and if said product launches it will need to do alot to attract a playerbase.
    Avoiding fanbase erosion might just include lettin us know a bit of info, or just even popping your heads out and saying wtf? it's dark out here.
    regardless the game has dropped from very high on my list to almost non existant. Secrecy and public relations are two different things. A simple hello folks we know yur waiting would do a hell of alot to maintain a small playerbase to begin with.

    What do you want from them?  You want them to come to your house and hold your hand and say everything is ok.  We need more time to get a finish product?  Let them do their job, you'll here more info soon enough, i'm sure.

    Somethings are better left unsaid.



  • green13green13 Member UncommonPosts: 1,341
    Originally posted by suske




    i understand how you feel. with all the half-finished mmos out there players are becoming used to devs hyping and releasing half finished junk in the name of cash flow. i wish they would release some more info, but i guess im willing to wait if it means a finished product at launch. 

    Good point, except the Icarus devs have done nothing to hype this project. If anything they've done the exact opposite. Their website, for example, is unbelievably out of date. They haven't even added links to the last 3 newsletters. I'll happily say I think their website is appalling - but I also wouldn't be surprised if that was deliberate. After so much inactivity, I think the second they revamp that site we'll all take that as a sign of impending release. That being the case they probably won't touch it until they are just about ready to release.

  • chillybeanchillybean Member Posts: 9
    well....so waht is going on with this game. has anyone any news?
  • green13green13 Member UncommonPosts: 1,341
    Only old news. As of several months ago they were almost completely finished coding the engine and had shifted their focus to content which from memory was about half done at that stage.
  • chillybeanchillybean Member Posts: 9
    ty ty
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