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FilipinoFuryFilipinoFury Member Posts: 1,056
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People are always screaming about trees and how we need to save them by using less paper. Next time you see somebody recycling paper stop them.

Everytime you recycle more you avoiding extracting trees from endangerd and virgin forests. Most paper is made from trees specifically grown for the production of paper. You follow that! paper comes from trees so we grow trees to  make paper, like we grow patatoes to make yummy frech fries, same thing. Are patatoes endangerd because we use them, are there virgin patatoe's anywhere? Most of the virgin pulp that goes into making paper is grown on tree farms and those tree farms would'nt exsist unless we use that virgin pulp to make paper. There has been research done on this in many places across the world and the evidence is that recycling paper does not save trees is there any part of that you didnt understand.

We have 3 times more trees then we did in the 1920's, trees are a renewable resource. Recycling paper is a manufacturing process. It starts with a pile of paper a truck comes and picks it up, a second truck not the one that picks up your normal trash. It then goes to a recycling center which uses energy and makes real polluting smoke! Anyway, more paper is put into another truck and takin to a paper mill sometimes hundreds of miles away, near a forest. Where it is deinked and bleached, which leaves behind a skummy chemical slime, what the hell are you going to do with that!  Then the paper pulp is turned back into news paper on equipment that belches more smoke into the air. So! if you really want to protect the enviroment and really recycle a newspaper the only way is by reading the same one everyday. Of course if you just keep watching TV and dont buy things on paper, they'll stop growing trees for paper and then there will be fewer trees. You want more damn tree's! WASTE MORE PAPER! please


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  • OrccOrcc Member Posts: 3,043
    Ya ok great logic there. So, instead of reusing paper that has already
    been made we should just throw it into land fills and create more
    trash. Thanks for enlightening me, this really opened my eyes.




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  • FilipinoFuryFilipinoFury Member Posts: 1,056
    Originally posted by Orcc
    Ya ok great logic there. So, instead of reusing paper that has already been made we should just throw it into land fills and create more trash. Thanks for enlightening me, this really opened my eyes.
    There has always been this fear that we are running out of land space for landfills which is false. This whole idea we are running out of space was started by the EPA a report called an Agenda for Action which basically made up we are running out of space. It focused on the number of land fills with out taking into account  that there where fewer landfills thet where so much bigger. You could fit 1000yr's of trash for the US in a 35 by 35 mile square if done correctly. Sure it would be a big landfill but not in comparison to the whole US. Im not suggesting we make a 35 by 35 mile land fill, it's just for perspective.


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  • Rikimaru_XRikimaru_X Member UncommonPosts: 11,718
    Fury, is that you? Land fills are unsafe for the enviroment man.

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  • CamdidusCamdidus Member UncommonPosts: 45

    Isn't paper biodegradable?

  • Rikimaru_XRikimaru_X Member UncommonPosts: 11,718
    ...yeah, depends on what..kind of paper?


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  • FilipinoFuryFilipinoFury Member Posts: 1,056
    Originally posted by Rikimaru_X
    Fury, is that you? Land fills are unsafe for the enviroment man.

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    When I say 35 mile by 35 mile land fill there would be no need for any other landfills for about 1000yr's. Have you ever been to a landfill? The one near where I live is acctually quite clean and while driving by I didnt smell anything. Sure they are still bad for the enviroment of course. Saying land fills are bad for the enviroment is a stupid point. We need land fills regardless. Landfills are fairly safe. Risks of a mordern land fill are about  according to data by the EPA are about 1 and a billion which is alot less then most things tha we accept in day to day life.


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  • baffbaff Member Posts: 9,457


    Originally posted by Orcc
    Ya ok great logic there. So, instead of reusing paper that has already been made we should just throw it into land fills and create more trash. Thanks for enlightening me, this really opened my eyes.



    No problem with that, dig a big hole, fill it full of paper and then grow more trees on the top.

    Landfills are cool.

  • MeonMeon Member Posts: 993

    absolutely true. The western world could "borrow" Siberia from the russians, and dump everything there. Just like the Russians are doing now.. Enough space there..

    /idiotic comment making off

    Do you really believe in this theory? Or are you just bored and just had to write something ::::02::

  • baffbaff Member Posts: 9,457
    We could use Holland and raise the whole place above sea level.
  • MeonMeon Member Posts: 993

    Originally posted by baff
    We could use Holland and raise the whole place above sea level.

    No, i say we dump it on the moon.

  • layzwombatlayzwombat Member Posts: 17
    Wow... Did you get that information off Fox News or what?  Talk about overlooking the obvoius. "I've been to a dump and the smell really isn't that bad." - thats just funny, because with the exception of H2S what would you smell? Dirt?  The problem is chemical decomposition, and seepage into the ground water.  Do you want to be drinking water with PBDE in it?  Good thing it's regluated and not in the water, but ill bet no one here has heard of PBDE (Its a new study funded by the STAR fellowship by the EPA), and since you are sitting at a computer right now it may be of interest (as it is currently being volitolized (heated into vapor) from your computer and you are breathing it in).  This is just one chemical - imagine having millions in a dump and then having them all interact with one another.  Thanks, but ill recycle.


  • layzwombatlayzwombat Member Posts: 17
    Kind of looks like I overlooked the obvious... as I was mainly referring to the large landfill aspect of the post.  I don't have time or the will to respond to the rest.  


  • cornoffcobcornoffcob Member Posts: 860
    well one good thing about land fills is that on a lot of them they have methane taps where methane released from the dumped trash colects and can be tapped.  I know on one of the land fills on Long Island they go and collect all the methane and use it as a sorce of energy....good for the enviroment?  probably not, but it does help being that it is an alternate energy form



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  • ikraikra Member Posts: 339
    @OP

    crazy idea...



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  • FilipinoFuryFilipinoFury Member Posts: 1,056

    The largest land fill in America which is in California has a 8ft thick lining of pretty much impermeable clay. The methane gas is used to power 60,000 houses. After you fill it up you can turn it into a park or golf course, wait. . we already have enough fucking golf courses so a park. As to the person that quoted me above. You miss quoted me I said I didnt smell anything at all.

    As I said before im not suggesting we make 35 mile by 35 mile landfill it was for perspective that we arnt running out of space.  

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  • LilithIshtarLilithIshtar Member Posts: 667
    Originally posted by FilipinoFury
    The largest land fill in America which is in California has a 8ft thick lining of pretty much impermeable clay. The methane gas is used to power 60,000 houses. After you fill it up you can turn it into a park or golf course, wait. . we already have enough fucking golf courses so a park. As to the person that quoted me above. You miss quoted me I said I didnt smell anything at all.

    As I said before im not suggesting we make 35 mile by 35 mile landfill it was for perspective that we arnt running out of space.  
    Yes we are.

    Out tiny planet is going to run out of space so much that not everyone is going to be able to get a home. Why? Because there wont be any place to build one!

    So sorry, I'll keep rycleing till we find another planet to live on, or we send ALL of the trash to the damn sun.


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  • DraenorDraenor Member UncommonPosts: 7,918


    Originally posted by Rikimaru_X
    Fury, is that you? Land fills are unsafe for the enviroment man.


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    We're the planeteers! You can be one too! cause saving our planet is the thing to do! looting and polluting is not the way! Hear what Captain Planet has to say!

     

    The power is yours!!

    Your argument is like a two legged dog with an eating disorder...weak and unbalanced.

  • layzwombatlayzwombat Member Posts: 17
    "As to the person that quoted me above. You miss quoted me I said I didnt smell anything at all."

    Thats my point.  That you wouldn't smell anything harmful at a landfill - everything harmful is for the most part oderless - atleast to us.

    Just because it sits on "impervious cley" - which is argueable about how much seepage occurs (I would google scholar this topic if you are truely interested - its a good engine for scientific papers) does not mean that latteral movement is not occuring - water is going somewhere and evaporation will not account for it all.  There are many lawsuits going on with this now also (EPA sueing private landfills), but that gets more complicated with permitting, and concentration regulation.

    I'm not saying that by not recycling a noticible difference will occur in 20 years, but why push our luck?  While it is good that we can trap methane from the landfills as a by product, we shouldn't encourage the reaction to try to use it as an energy source (energy is a whole different topic, for a different thread).

    Point is... by recycling there is a net benefit to pollution.  Im not going to yell at people who do not recycle, but yes, I will recycle.



  • baffbaff Member Posts: 9,457

    Evaporation?

    How does evaporation poison the water table excatly?

  • layzwombatlayzwombat Member Posts: 17
    OK in a nutshell (It would take 5+ pages to explain all the ways and how) very basic example relating exactly to your question (although not so much to the topic).  If you have something in a solution, for example, salt.  As evaporation occurs water is released from the system and concentrations of salt go way up.  Although this is not at all how I mentioned it before, this is one way evaporation could increase the concentrations of pollutants.  If you are referring to the water table as being under the cley, then less evaporation would lead to more runoff (consult the water budget - basic version w= P + E + change in S.)  But I have to run - Ill fill in other information tomorrow if I need to, but again scholar.google is a good site to find papers on everything.


  • baffbaff Member Posts: 9,457
    Cheers, I get it now thanks.
  • SnaKeySnaKey Member Posts: 3,386

    Originally posted by FilipinoFury

    When I say 35 mile by 35 mile land fill there would be no need for any other landfills for about 1000yr's. Have you ever been to a landfill? The one near where I live is acctually quite clean and while driving by I didnt smell anything. Sure they are still bad for the enviroment of course. Saying land fills are bad for the enviroment is a stupid point. We need land fills regardless. Landfills are fairly safe. Risks of a mordern land fill are about according to data by the EPA are about 1 and a billion which is alot less then most things tha we accept in day to day life.


    You ever been on top of a land fill?

    I've been on top of the landfill in Miami for 3hrs, unloading a truckload of rotten wood. I puked 15 times. The have sludge pipes that let the sludge pile up on the surface so it doesn't make the whole thing explode. Yes, explode. They vent very flammable gases as well.
    The smell was horrendus.

    Miami land fill is about 300ft high and was started in 1992 as a place to deposite Andrew waste.

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    This was quite some time ago apparently. Because it's much bigger now, but the only picture I could find.

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  • DraenorDraenor Member UncommonPosts: 7,918


    Originally posted by SnaKey


     


    . I puked 15 times.

    no joke?  Damn.

    I've never been very close to a landfill myself, but we live about 15 minutes from a reprocessing plant where they grind up dead animals for use in God knows what...and every now and then you can get a whiff of it from our house, it's friggen nasty.

    Your argument is like a two legged dog with an eating disorder...weak and unbalanced.

  • FilipinoFuryFilipinoFury Member Posts: 1,056
    Originally posted by LilithIshtar
    Originally posted by FilipinoFury
    The largest land fill in America which is in California has a 8ft thick lining of pretty much impermeable clay. The methane gas is used to power 60,000 houses. After you fill it up you can turn it into a park or golf course, wait. . we already have enough fucking golf courses so a park. As to the person that quoted me above. You miss quoted me I said I didnt smell anything at all.

    As I said before im not suggesting we make 35 mile by 35 mile landfill it was for perspective that we arnt running out of space.  
    Yes we are.

    Out tiny planet is going to run out of space so much that not everyone is going to be able to get a home. Why? Because there wont be any place to build one!

    So sorry, I'll keep rycleing till we find another planet to live on, or we send ALL of the trash to the damn sun.

    Yes we are running out of space but not because of landfills. We are running out of space because people wont stop fucking. That has nothing to do with landfills. Saying "Yes we are" doesnt really say or do anything. Somebody could say Solitare is the best card game in the world, I could say "No it's not" does that accomplish, prove or do anything. . . . no

    Not to sure how this morphed into a topic about landfills but eh! not what I intended. . .




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  • boognish75boognish75 Member UncommonPosts: 1,540
    ok thw origonater of this post is a frakking moron!!!, aside from tree's anyone know why else we recycle paper? Well the reason being is that when paper esp white paperr is taken to the landfills in the quantity's our society disposes of it, it creates one of the most toxic pollutants to the ground and water when it rains and runs off into the ground in dumps, .

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