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Nice list from the Suckboards: The List of lies!
OldManSweeny
Member Posts: 26
Hi all. Some fodder for the fire from the bestest boards on the interweb. I cant do links or fancy stuff!
"1. SWG wont launch until its ready - SOE repeatedly told us this game wont launch until its ready to go. This early on was to include space, JTL wasnt ever supposed to be an expansion. Lets also not forget key components not included at launch like player cities, vehicles, and jedi. As a beta player, I still remember the notice in beta forum that the game was going gold in 2 weeks. Everyone agreed it was a huge mistake but SOE ignored us.
2. Jedi - We all know that jedi was NEVER possible at launch. Yet SOE made post after post dangling that carrot and offering encouragement. They told us to get married, explore every world, build a home, etc. It made some think that jedi was some random amazing quest to be discovered. Soon though we learned the truth when SOE patched in several .tre files with obvious jedi implications 5 months after launch. Then the day after a patch several unlocked all at once.
3. Rebel Theme Park - Sorta ties into # 1 as it wasnt ready either. However SOE repeatedly lied about the theme park. If you recall, it was broken after Han's quests. Han tells us to seek out Lt. Lance on Dantooine, but there isnt any Lt. Lance anywhere. SOE tells us its working as intended despite nobody having found Lt. Lance after months and month of looking (my guild personally had several major expedition searches done over many weekends looking for him). Suddenly we learn the truth after a patch...Han now tells us to seek out Ackbar on Dantooine and the once empty abandoned rebel base now has several rebel nps in there. My guild who had followed the game for years in development was soooo pissed off they immediately disbanded and quit.
4. two part lie -
A. The Combat upgrade (curb) was top priority - Remember how SOE told us over and over again that the CURB was its number 1 focus. It would be first to get completed over the JTL expansion.
B. There were two separate teams working on JTL and the CURB.
We later learn both are lies. JTL gets pushed over the combat fixes AND we find out the CURB team has been merged with the JTL team. Whats really insulting is SOE goes on a PR campaign and tells the public that we players demanded JTL first. Another fat lie as every poll posted strongly stated we wanted the CURB first.
5. Combat Revamp - whatever you want to call it, this was meant as a reward for the vets who stayed around and played a broken game. Talk about a slap in the face when SOE announces the CU...a system as the devs told me at Celebration 3 was meant to "have a more broad appeal". This was SOE's 1st attempt at screwing over its current community for the wow crowd. All the promised fixes never happened. The armorsmith rep quit and was banned after he started a massive protest over changes they never asked for. In fact the CU brings in many more bugs than it fixes and never balanced anything.
6. The CU is here to stay - Smedley comes and makes his first post on swg forums asking for calm and patience. He states that in 6 months the cu will be working as intended so give them time to make things right. FAT LIE...during that time the NGE is either in design stages or already being worked on.
7. FRS - CU disables the end-game for jedi, our force ranking system. SOE tells us its being worked on. Later they state its al most done and just awaits final approval from LA. Of course we learn there wont ever be a FRS system and the nerfs we've been getting oover the past 6 months were done on purpose to weaken jedi into a regular class. For me personally, this is one of the more disgusting lies as it was obviously done to keep us jedi players paying.
8. Jabba Palace disappears - The last patch before the NGE garbage makes Jabba's palace completely disappear. SOE acts surprised and promises a fix is coming..another fat lie as we learn why after the nge hits. Jabba's palace was taken out to implement th new nge quests.
9. village breaks - Same patch breaks the village and the old man stops visiting people. SOE again lies to cover its tracks and tells us its being looked at. Of course it was just a cover for the nge.
10. Expansion - SOE presells an expansion with several promised features. One desired item is a creature handler necklace that will allow for the taming of higher lvl pets. Im not sure if that necklace was ever found but it didnt matter because 1 stinkin day after the nge launched Torres of LA announces the revamp of the game and removal of over 24 professions.
11. starter kit - SOE tells us the starter kit is an eroneous listing and will be removed. They deny the rumors of impending changes.
12. SOE tells us fixes will be faster. SOE says the whole reason behind the nge was to make balancing the game easier and would allow for faster publish fixes. In fact, it has slowed the game down to a crawl as publishes now seem to come every 4 months as opposed to almost monthly before the nge.
13. smuggler revamp - this one could have its own page on broken promises and lies.
14. Capitol ships - a dev at a fanfest shows the players capitol ships he has been working on. Later on SOE tells (months and months later) that it was just a dev fooling around with his laptop and this was never being considered. Of course SOE could have tol the players this months earlier rather than ignore the posts asking for more information. To flyboys, the capitol ship dream was their FRS system...ie end-game content they so very much wanted. It didnt hurt SOE to once again lie a little and let people keep paying while they waited for features that would never ever happen.
15. profession revamps - ranger comes to my mind foremost because my alt was a master ranger for years. It was painful to see rangers slowly dwindling in numbers as the profession remained broken forever. I still recall one of the camo kits (i think it was for Lok) required a type of meat to contruct, only problem was that meat didnt even exist ! And the final tease, SOE says ranger is the next revamp coming in the next publish...oops the next publish turned out to be the NGE.
Then there were the professions that got sorely needed revamps weeks before the nge hit. Why did SOE even bother to revamp squad leader if they were going to turn around and remove the profession entirely a few weeks later ? Maybe it was a case of the left hand not knowing what the right hand was doing.
16. Broken quests - How many times did SOE tell us a fix was in the works and it either never came or it took a year to do. And even when they finally did fix something like the Hermit quests, they turn right around and re-break them weeks later. My personal pet peeve for broken quests was the ones at the gungan sacred place. It pissed me off that not only were the quests incomplete, one of the npc's chat bubble was blank ! How tough would it have been to code in some simple words ? These quests were broken in beta, remained busted through launch right up to the nge.
The NGE broke several old quests as well. When I tried the 21 day free trial I started the krayt skull quests, some of my favorites with a great storyline. I got to the last part where I needed to talk to Darklighter only to my surprise he has no chat option. The NGE is 1 year old and Im assuming this quest remains broken, pathetic.
17. 6 month promises - Smedley has repeatedly made the 6 month promise for fixes. His very 1st post following the CU debacle asked the players to give SOE 6 months to get things fully working. He then makes the same promise after the NGE launches, needing 6 more months. Ironically, the post after nge is almost identical to the cu one (asking for time to fix things) and yet somehow the gullible desperate players buy into it AGAIN. Later SOE promises major revamps to each profession each coming within a month or two o each other. Later after MONTHS of no publishes and silence (the swg forums were literally rioting), SOE announces yet ANOTHER series of profession revamps. Typically, the pathetic player base thanks SOE devs in posts for answering their concerns. A year into the NGE, it remains broken, unfinished, with no end in site.
18. Item Conversion - Recall that the players were very concerned over losing their gear with the coming CU. We were repeatedly told that everything would convert properly. If you had an exceptional weapon with amazing stats, it would convert to an equal type of weapon for the CU. They were full of crap though and not only did our exceptional weapons and armor NOT convert properly, in many cases we now couldnt even equip them anymore !!!
CA's and AA's didnt convert because SOE took out several stats like dizzy, knockdown, the poison and disease resists, etc. Players that spent years and millions of credits to collect were overnight ruined. The final insult in classic SOE fashion, SOE adds in melee def and ranged def clothing that tailors can craft. They didnt even bother to take into account the thousands of players who spent their credits by the millions to get these things as ca/aa drops. A +12 melee def tape would possibly sell for 15-20 million, 1 day after the cu and a player now can buy a shirt with +17 melee AND ranged defense !!! So much for really being concerned with ca/aa conversions.
RIS Armor - Not only did the conversion for this armor become crap, it also got very common. I and some friends of mine were the few around who had even had any ris armor. Before the revamps, RIS armor was something one could try and get as a trophy to their hard work and dedication. Plus it took real skill to get. You had to know where the components dropped. You had to know spawn rates. You had to know where to find the giant dune kimos. You had to find addon components like shards to boost the completed armor's stats. In essence, it was a lot of hard work for players that yet again was totally tossed out the door. My ris helmet once had offers of 15 million credits, suddenly its for sale on vendors for 15k bleh.
BE Tissues - nge takes out bio-engineers and their tissues that make chef foods better. Now something that was once extremely common is the rarest most sought after item by crafters. And since food is a consumable, eventually there will be no more bio tissues around.
The theme here of course is SOE didnt give a damn about how their revamps would hurt or help their CURRENT community. I seriously doubt based on the evidence that they even looked at the changes, much less tried to ensure the conversion wouldnt screw us.
19. pearl drops - sometime into the cu pearl drops got really messed up. At first, over a weekend flawless and premium pearls are dropping like crazy and not just off krayts. Soon SOE hotpatches a "fix" in to correct whatever they were trying to fix before and the pearls stop dropping. Now premiums and flawless dont drop anymore. SOE responds to player concerns by telling them its working as intended. Later they admit there "might" be a problem but there were other things more important to fix. SOE lies and promises its being looked into.
According to my source, the pearl drops were broken or gated on purpose. This was done to remove the elite power items so jedi could be better balanced for the nge. I hear sometime after the nge the premium pearls were added back in but flawless never came back.
20. Gating content - According to a source who wrote a letter to CBS newsbag, SOE purposely gates its content to finish it. In other words, SOE breaks something to hide the fact that it remains unfinished. Why would SOE do this ? Well according to this person, it was done to basically use player subscription fees to pay for the finished development of that content. This source reported that this was done repeatedly for EQ1 expansions. Devs would then lie on the forums claiming that a fix was being worked on when in fact it was busted on purpose.
This of course is outrageous but not unexpected by SOE. To take subscriber money and finish something that the money from the expansion was already supposed to have paid for is unforgivable. Smedley responded on some other site he posts on that this was a fabrication and SOE had (allow me to quote) never once released an unfinished product to the public LOL. This same person later admits the nge is unfinished...oh and the CU is unfinished...my oh my how the lies grow."
And of course, the rabid fan races to the defense:
Hell. I'm gonna resub just to be a poster who, er posts.
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It's up to 9 pages on the SWG General Boards already, seems the few ppl with swgmod1 access are still sleeping
The FRS was one of my favorites... as a Knight and in the system it was crappy to turn it off... BUT what was better was talking to Devs ourselves -- some of us had convos with them telling us to our faces it was almost ready and was going to go live soon.
Lol, there was alot of Knights I knew waiting for it-- paying monthly trusting what was said.
It's very sad they conduct business like this with this product and franchise, but until people grab thier balls perse and show them they will not allow themselves to be lied to, exploited and pretty much used, they will continue to do so.
In fact right now, the people left or the NGErs themselves are the ones that promote this. By paying them, commending them -- they are proving the devs right that in fact you can shit on someone completely and still sell them a broken product filled with broken promises and lies.
When the NGErs see this , some actually excuse this... they let it be "Ok they can do this" -- and move on... a very small sum of them actually question this.
They actually think it's alrright and this is the norm for a game and or product for that matter.
I guess the biggest joke is the fact they use like this: "We don't live in the past" , yada ,yada, or make a excuse such as "We do not think in the past we just want to move forward" ---
Well my common sense comment to that is: "You cannot move forward if you have ripped the floor out from underneath you."
And these people have done just that...
Progress is based on need and success... this is neither.. you cannot go forward if you are failing with the product you have.
They do not get that... SOME do by thier comments... such as the NGE being a mistake as they now wish they never did.
But sadly the lemmings of the NGE still follow without haste.... right off the edge of the cliff.
Thank goodness the game is not a success or none of what I say would be a fact I guess...
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I usually picture the Career builder commercial with the room full of monkeys and upside down sales chart when thinking about the SOE/SWG decision making process.....
SOE's John Blakely and Todd Fiala issued a warning: "Don't make our mistakes." Ref NGE
Winner of the worst MMOS goes to.... the NGE and SWG..!!! http://www.mmorpg.com/showFeature.cfm?loadFeature=1034&bhcp=1
As isky said they are unwilling to hear the truth. You can resub try an warn them but there not going to listen.
And $oe will continue to to whatever the hell it wants, and they will thank them for it.
To me the NGE fanboi lemmings will get theirs in the end one way or another playing SWG. Look at it this way, everyone one of the "The NGE is awesome" "Get over it" "Quit crying" "The Devs are great" ect ect ect fanbois will have the rug snatched out from underneath them also at some point down the road.
The great "Chapter", "Publish", or "Content" they've been promised won't ever show up.
Their favorite proff will be nerfed to uselessness.
A quest they're working on will suddenly be broke for months.
Time and money they put into uber items and gear will suddenly be turned to crap for one reason or another.
Combat they've become used to or good at will be changed around 180 degrees.
Work and effort put into stuff like the GCW, Ranks, or whatever will be wasted with the next revamp/upgrade.
They get smoked in combat by someone using yet another exploit that never gets fixed.
They get yet more Lies, Bugs, Excuses, Misdirection, Lag, and blatant customer disregard from SOE.
ECT ECT ECT so on and so on.
Months later when they're full of angst and mad as hell, they'll put up a post or thread with their concerns and problems.
Then some other noob lemming just like they used to be will come along with some snide smartass reply like "Get over it" "Then new changes are great" "You're just a bitter 'vet" and so on, further pushing them over the edge making them even madder.
Being all wound up they'll make some more angry posts, hopefully with more snide reply comments like "quit crying" "CMN" ect from the new gullible lemmings, just like the replies they used to give to the Pre-NGE vets, futher pissing them off.
The icing on the cake would be either warnings or an actual forum ban for their angry posts, all for posting valid points that SOE wants to ignore and sweep under the rug hoping nobody will notice, so the next round of noobs won't catch on till months later.
To me that is the supreme Cosmic Justice for everyone one of those type of fanbois that seem to delight in trying to agitate the Pre-NGE vets when they voice their valid points and concerns.
so um... i was thinking, this will definatly get banned, but what if some1 provided a URL to the MMORPG.com SWG forums? you think SoE will ban that? seeing as SWG gets alot of publicity from this site?
i'm sure the ppl who click that link will find their way to the vets refuge... where posts are NOT deleted left or right...
To be honest I'd put money on just your post getting deleted and thats about it.
where was it ? I looked under Gameplay but didnt see anything.
Oh and fyi, Im the original author of that post. Im dying to see what the nge fanbois had to say about it.
Cmon where is Obraik to defend now?
yeah I thought so
Whoever wrote that on the suck baords!
Just basicly shows how much $OE blow ass! I remember all those promises.
I hate those son's of bitches. I remember them saying they were working on the Jedi pearls. Premiums etc were'nt dropping but obviously it was a bug intentionally put there by the ass hats at $OE. That was a major bug we were all talking about on the jedi boards. The sad thing about that is I never even once considered that $OE would have intentionally taken premium or flawless pearls away from the player base and claimed it was a bug. Obviously I was a tool to actually trust a company I was happily paying $15 a month to. $OE fookers can suck my balls.
After about 6 months of boldly lying to us they finally admitted there was none and then told us that its a very minor thing and not to expect a fix anytime soon. And we never got an apology from them for the lies.
There was also the camo bug, trap states not working, tracking bug, and camps not detering mobs. All of those things the developers continually told us worked.
Kai
You can add this to the list as well
Smugglers in SWG History - as written by the Devs by electricnomad
http://soe.lithium.com/board/message?board.id=smuggler&message.id=81983
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Wyeth - Chilastra 8/30/03-6/1/05 Master Artisan, Master Weaponsmith, Master Shipwright (after giving up Weaponsmith), Master Merchant
Zadox - Chilastra 12/1/03-6/3/05 Master Rifleman, Master Scout, Master Ranger.
And this is why even if SOE made a "Pre-CU server" I'd be very hesitant to give them any money to play it... I just don't trust a company with this sort of track record.
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It wouldn't do SWG justice if this wasen't
STICKIFIED!
$OE lies list
http://www.rlmmo.com/viewtopic.php?t=424&start=0
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And I don't want to hear anything about "I don't believe in vampires" because *I* don't believe in vampires, but I believe in my own two eyes, and what *I* saw is ******* vampires! "
Oh here is another one. I believe it was Publish 7 or 8 where the entire patch was FUBAR. Nothing worked and it caused alot of damage to existing game mechanics. Like harvs took power and money and ate them up completely, armor stopped working, and the ever wonderful factory bug that would cuase the entire server to shut down and restart.
When the Publish was on TC there was another bug too. The /bug command stopped working. So testers did everything they could to make SOE aware of the problems. From emails to forum posts. In one such forum post several developers did reply that they knew about the bugs and would fix them before it went live.
2 days later it went live. Without the fixes. So all hell broke loose. The first comment by a developer (Q3PO) was a classic SOE lie. "We didn't anticipate any of this." Incidently the developer in question was also one who posted in the TC threads about being aware of the bugs.
The next day someone else posted links to the TC threads where developers had replied. Within 2 hours all threads where the developers had replied were deleted and the person posting the links was perma banned.
At least SOE is consistent about something eh?
Kai
Ahhh but thats the beauty of this when dealing with SOE where SWG is concerned, it's a lay up.
1 With a 3 1/2 year track record that speaks for itself, the current moronic Devs and Management running things over there now, the game is doomed to more nerfs, illogical changes, combat revamps, bugs, lag, ect ect ect.
That in it's own right will piss off the majority of your fanbois in the long run at some point or another.
2 Not all of the current lemmings will "wake up and smell the coffee" at the same time so there will be backlash when they post from those still blind to how the game is being run into the ground.
While there won't be dozens of noobs signing up daily there are suckers born every minute and some of them will work their way into SWG eventually smacktalking the NGE 'vets'.
SOE's blatant "hear no evil, see no evil" attitude and recent Forums Crackdown pretty much gurantees that they will lock/delete most valid threads while threatening/banning the posters for 'trolling'.
It's not a perfect scenario but I really feel either the current and future Crappy Gameplay, the Immature/Lemming Playerbase, or both will get most of the fanbois in the end.
I mean really, does anyone really think the current bottom of the barrell Devs and the same inept Management that brought on the NGE will somehow turn SWG around even if they had 3 more years??? ROFLMAO the last year has shown they are far from the "Best and Brightest" with game design.....
They gave the players Tourettes instead. That's why every time you log in you start cursing uncontrollably instead