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Armed Robbery and PS3s
Liddokun
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http://www.whiotv.com/news/10340455/detail.html
You'd think robbers only held up banks.. now they're holding up EBgames store for PS3s. WTF is this world coming to...
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Money couldn't buy a better ad campaign...
When they are selling for 2500 bucks a piece on ebay, I think it's time to blame Sony. Some guy got shot today waiting to buy a PS3. The guy wouldn't give the money up so they shot him. When Sony only gives 35000 consoles to the entire country of canada I think Sony should be to blame. Microsoft too for the 360 release fiasco. For craps sakes, make enough of the friggin things before you release them. They know darn well that all this news is money in their pockets and I think it's reprehensible.
Shame on you Microsoft and Sony.
Not only will it be cheaper if you buy it at a later date, but there will be more games available and less hassle to get one.
Correct. The reason is because some people are impatient idiots.
This is what I call artificial demand. Sony could have built enough supply to meet the demand but they decided to create artificial demand. Does anyone really buy that Sony didn't want to oversupply the market for fear of not selling all their product? No. They caused this to happen because they WANTED the media frenzy surrounding PS3 zealots camping at stores. Did they intend on people getting hurt? I doubt it. Will they sleep okay tonight knowing what they've caused? Probably because the same God damn thing happened in Tokyo and that didn't stop them from continuing the practice in the US.
This time people have gotten hurt because of it and this time I hope one of the victims families does something about it.
For the record: This isn't just a single robbery, this is several (I count 5 in the last day) robberies where people have been shot and stabbed. One guy is in critical condition right now from being shot once in the chest and once in the arm.
This is an epidemic - the epitome of unchecked greed (on the part of Sony). And someone needs to take legal action against Sony - and now!
CNN article: http://www.cnn.com/2006/US/11/17/playstation.ap/index.html
Life of an MMORPG "addict"
For 7 years, proving that if you quote "fuck" you won't get banned.
Banks have: guards, cameras, locks, and alarms. Then, all that money has serial numbers on it.
Gamers don't have any of those and one lone PS3 on Ebay is pretty much untraceable. Plus it retails for $600 by itself and goes for thousands at auction for the time being.
Heh. I don't know. Makes sense to me.
Exactly my point. By Sony cutting down the available units they have caused the secondary (black, if you will) market price to go sky high. This is the same thing that countless other companies do to control demand.
Bottom line: If a company has something you want and they say you can't have it, it's worth more.
Make no mistake people, Sony has blood on their hands and so does Ebay.
If I sound angry it is because I am. This is the same kinda shit that Big Oil pulled on us right after Katrina.
Life of an MMORPG "addict"
For 7 years, proving that if you quote "fuck" you won't get banned.
There was a huge fight at a local store today here because of the PS3. 150 people where involved. This is crazy, never thought a piece of electronic equipment would make people crazy.
Ohh and saw that a PS3 auctioned off for 10K today on ebay.
Either the marketing guys were too myopic to realize that because of the shortage people would go to great lengths to get their hands on a console so they could mark up the price and make 10x's more than they paid for it,
the marketing department saw this as an opportunity to create hype and potentially increase sales,
or the fact that they only released a handful in each country is indicative of all the money Sony lost out on due to the lack of PSP and PSP related sales.
Make no mistake, they lost a ton of cash. Not to mention the fact that the PS3's themselves aren't very cheap to make.
What exactly justifies legal action against Sony? I don't see what possibly justifies a lawsuit against them, I simply see no way in which they are in the least responsible for any of the robberies that have taken place. I don't see how it's Sony's fault that some person unconnected to them decided to rob someone else, any more than a diamond seller is at fault if a robber robs someone who bought a diamond. If you make something that people find valuable, it's not your fault that someone else decides to steal it.
What exactly justifies legal action against Sony? I don't see what possibly justifies a lawsuit against them, I simply see no way in which they are in the least responsible for any of the robberies that have taken place. I don't see how it's Sony's fault that some person unconnected to them decided to rob someone else, any more than a diamond seller is at fault if a robber robs someone who bought a diamond. If you make something that people find valuable, it's not your fault that someone else decides to steal it.
But it is your fault if you only make a small number to increase the value.
It might not be wrong in a court of law, but ethics and American justice don't have anything to do with each other anymore it seems.
Just ask O.J. Simpson.
Not to any reasonable person; if I make a valuable item it's not my fault that someome else decides to steal it instead of buying it.
Are you saying that there is something ethically wrong with making game consoles? I say that it's completely ethical for them to make and try to sell anything between one PS3 and a million. I'm not sure what is supposed to be unethical about making a small production run to increase percieved value, and I really don't see how making and selling a valuable object makes you culpable for someone else deciding to steal the object.
business = money, business + tactics = more money. business + ethics = little money, business tactics + ethics = bible book store, i have a feeling they may not be rolling in the cash. Sorry ethics just isn't good business, I don't blame Sony I blame the greed and pathetic need to be the "first" group with a PS3.
It's called greed and it's a staple of American society. We want it all and we want it now. I don't blame Sony for everyone else's actions. That'd be like blaming GTA when someone goes out and beats a hooker.
Some of the comments made here are baffling. Pretty much you're saying the people at Sony are criminals because they don't manufacture enough of a product, and are responsible for the violence revolving around the PS3. I would punch you in the face if you made that statement in real life.
Second of all Sony is NOT making anymore money by minimizing available units. Yes, the demand is high, and the value goes up due to limited supply, but Sony doesn't GAIN from this. It's the consumers to decide to RESELL it who wins, NOT SONY.
Start learning history, you will see that happen before, cigarette company, guns company and other have been find guilty even if they did not force anyone to smoke or shot anyboby. But they know the consequences and they still do it. Like Sony with Japan, they knew whe they came to the US and they still went forward with low supplies, but they knew that violence will happen. That is why they are guilty, they had the knowledge.
Get a life you freaking Gamer.....no no, you don't understand, I'm a Gamer, I have many lives!!
Start learning history, you will see that happen before, cigarette company, guns company and other have been find guilty even if they did not force anyone to smoke or shot anyboby. But they know the consequences and they still do it. Like Sony with Japan, they knew whe they came to the US and they still went forward with low supplies, but they knew that violence will happen. That is why they are guilty, they had the knowledge.
And those cases have shaky arguements.
This is the real world. It's full of people that will take advantage of you and don't give a flying f*ck about you. Learn to take care of yourself, and learn to take responsibility for your own actions.
If someone brutally beats someone outside of Toys R Us for a PS3, then that person is the one to take responsibility. Not Sony. Not Toys R Us. When someone doesn't pay attention to what they're doing and drives in another lane and kills somebody, it's their fault. Not General Motors for not making the car to keep that person from being distracted. When someone crawls through a window, rapes and suffocates a woman in the middle of the night, it's not A&H Windows' or Serta's fault, is it?
Lots of people are infuence by everything and everyone, why do you think there is rating on movie and video games, because people follow these idea. I am not saying music, movie and so are to blame for all the violence in the world, but there is a logic somewhere. People are driven by money, look on this site, buying/selling currancy or level is illegal, but it is not illegal to advertise it, but this site knows it and they still do it, money=no moral.
Company have a moral resposability but they do not care because they want money. A majority of people on this site complain about those company who try to make there game like WoW because they want money, they do not care about the customer, but let blame on player because they play these game.
Get a life you freaking Gamer.....no no, you don't understand, I'm a Gamer, I have many lives!!
I understand your point as well.
But let's take it to as small of a situation as possible. Say your mom buys a handmade cake from the grocery store, let's say Kroger's. When she takes it out of the box, it's only divided up into seven pieces, and there are eight people sitting around the table. Your Uncle Tom doesn't get a piece. He asks you for your slice and you decline. He asks your neighbor who was invited over for dinner to share his piece, and he says no. Suddenly your Uncle Tom becomes irate for no reason and stabs your neighbor with the knife used to cut the cake, grabbing the slice and running off. The police are called and your uncle is arrested.
So in this scenario, under the discussion we've been having, not only would your Uncle Tom be at fault for stabbing your neighbor, but Kroger's would be responsible for not cutting the cake into eight pieces instead of seven. Very silly, right?
Take that situation and up the ante, and you have the PS3. Sony has followed all of the laws and codes set before it, but because there aren't enough to go around we the people have broken those laws by letting greed overcome us. Supply and demand is an issue that effects nearly everything we buy and use, but it's common sense and we know better to not bludgeon the face of a Target employee when we find that there aren't any Fruit Loops boxes with the lightsaber spoon left.
I understand your point as well.
But let's take it to as small of a situation as possible. Say your mom buys a handmade cake from the grocery store, let's say Kroger's. When she takes it out of the box, it's only divided up into seven pieces, and there are eight people sitting around the table. Your Uncle Tom doesn't get a piece. He asks you for your slice and you decline. He asks your neighbor who was invited over for dinner to share his piece, and he says no. Suddenly your Uncle Tom becomes irate for no reason and stabs your neighbor with the knife used to cut the cake(I am stoping you there, you story does not hold together, you said the cake was already in 7 pieces, so it is impossible that uncle use the same knife to cut the cake, it was already cut, haha gotcha, lol), grabbing the slice and running off. The police are called and your uncle is arrested.
But Kroger's does not know how many people will be at the dinner, so it is impossible for them to cut them into the number of pieces required. But Mom did know how many people so she should have bought enough for everyone. But let say that Kroger's that every cake they sell will be share between 8 people and they always cut it in 7 pieces and you can only buy 1 per customer, maybe they are the one to blame.
The difference with Sony and your story is, Sony was well aware of the situation as it happen in Japan just before, they had the knowledge to prevent this. They will not hold on their PS3 and wait til they have enough because they do not want to lose the Christmas sell. They indirectly had the knowledge to prevent crimes but they ignored it for the money, they are guilty of knowing.
Get a life you freaking Gamer.....no no, you don't understand, I'm a Gamer, I have many lives!!
I understand your point as well.
But let's take it to as small of a situation as possible. Say your mom buys a handmade cake from the grocery store, let's say Kroger's. When she takes it out of the box, it's only divided up into seven pieces, and there are eight people sitting around the table. Your Uncle Tom doesn't get a piece. He asks you for your slice and you decline. He asks your neighbor who was invited over for dinner to share his piece, and he says no. Suddenly your Uncle Tom becomes irate for no reason and stabs your neighbor with the knife used to cut the cake(I am stoping you there, you story does not hold together, you said the cake was already in 7 pieces, so it is impossible that uncle use the same knife to cut the cake, it was already cut, haha gotcha, lol), grabbing the slice and running off. The police are called and your uncle is arrested.
But Kroger's does not know how many people will be at the dinner, so it is impossible for them to cut them into the number of pieces required. But Mom did know how many people so she should have bought enough for everyone. But let say that Kroger's that every cake they sell will be share between 8 people and they always cut it in 7 pieces and you can only buy 1 per customer, maybe they are the one to blame.
The difference with Sony and your story is, Sony was well aware of the situation as it happen in Japan just before, they had the knowledge to prevent this. They will not hold on their PS3 and wait til they have enough because they do not want to lose the Christmas sell. They indirectly had the knowledge to prevent crimes but they ignored it for the money, they are guilty of knowing.
Heh. Yeah, I had the knife part typed before I changed how the cake was made. Whoops. But you get what I mean. =P
If James blows a guy away and steals his limited edition Ferrari because only 10,000 were ever made in the world but hundreds of thousands of people have always wanted one, is Ferrari to blame for not manufacturing enough even though they knew this car would be desired by so many?
To make another point with an example. If I sell my car to a stranger, I'm not going to think about whether that stranger is going to take it for a joy ride and commit vehicular homicide as he runs down a crowd of elderly folks in the middle of a festival. Because once I sign the title over to him and he's all set, it's no longer my responsibility what he does with the vehicle, and frankly, I shouldn't have to worry about what he does. My car was completely safe upon purchase, and though it could be used to do harm, we can all agree that it's not the purpose of a motor vehicle. So why should I have to take responsibility for another man's actions, just because his weapon of choice is associated with me through that purchase?
A PS3 hasn't killed or harmed anyone yet. We may kill and harm each other over it, but never has it been directly involved. If being indirectly involved makes you responsible, then (for example) Melissa should take legal responsibility when her boyfriend Paul strangles her secret lover Kevin to death as she stood by in horror. Yeah, she never broke a law. However, what she did was not only morally wrong, but she knew Paul could act in a violent manner if he ever found out, so she should be punished by law as well.
All in all, Sony is selling a product. It shouldn't be their job to control our actions and make sure we don't act out of line when buying them. That's our job as individuals and members of society.
NGE Refugee.
Heh. Yeah, I had the knife part typed before I changed how the cake was made. Whoops. But you get what I mean. =P
If James blows a guy away and steals his limited edition Ferrari because only 10,000 were ever made in the world but hundreds of thousands of people have always wanted one, is Ferrari to blame for not manufacturing enough even though they knew this car would be desired by so many?
To make another point with an example. If I sell my car to a stranger, I'm not going to think about whether that stranger is going to take it for a joy ride and commit vehicular homicide as he runs down a crowd of elderly folks in the middle of a festival. Because once I sign the title over to him and he's all set, it's no longer my responsibility what he does with the vehicle, and frankly, I shouldn't have to worry about what he does. My car was completely safe upon purchase, and though it could be used to do harm, we can all agree that it's not the purpose of a motor vehicle. So why should I have to take responsibility for another man's actions, just because his weapon of choice is associated with me through that purchase?
A PS3 hasn't killed or harmed anyone yet. We may kill and harm each other over it, but never has it been directly involved. If being indirectly involved makes you responsible, then (for example) Melissa should take legal responsibility when her boyfriend Paul strangles her secret lover Kevin to death as she stood by in horror. Yeah, she never broke a law. However, what she did was not only morally wrong, but she knew Paul could act in a violent manner if he ever found out, so she should be punished by law as well.
All in all, Sony is selling a product. It shouldn't be their job to control our actions and make sure we don't act out of line when buying them. That's our job as individuals and members of society.
We can go on and on with different exemple. What I am saying is, they knew it could happen, because it happened the week before. If you sell your car to a guy and you know he commit homicide with it or if it is not the first time Paul strangle a guy because Melissa was cheating on him, they are still in some way resposible because they knew it might happen. If a gun seller sells a gun to a guy and he know he might kill someone with it, it is his morale resposability not to sell the gun.
I am just saying that with the knowledge Sony had, they could of prevent this chaos over the PS3.
Get a life you freaking Gamer.....no no, you don't understand, I'm a Gamer, I have many lives!!
FYI: Any company cares about the money it is just sometimes it is better to look like you care about morals in order to make more money later on.