We can go on and on with different exemple. What I am saying is, they knew it could happen, because it happened the week before. If you sell your car to a guy and you know he commit homicide with it or if it is not the first time Paul strangle a guy because Melissa was cheating on him, they are still in some way resposible because they knew it might happen. If a gun seller sells a gun to a guy and he know he might kill someone with it, it is his morale resposability not to sell the gun.
I am just saying that with the knowledge Sony had, they could of prevent this chaos over the PS3.
So you're saying I'd be legally responsible for someone committing vehicular homicide in a vehicle that was under their name and title and I had no more legal ties to whatsoever? Melissa is legally repsonsible for being a whore, since she never broke a single law in any of her actions?
Sony is a corporation. It's their job to design, manufacture, and sell you their products. Not to protect you from yourself and others. If you expect a large business to take the moral or ethical high ground in any matter then I don't know what to tell you.
Again, Sony didn't do anything directly. It's the actions of people that caused the chaos. The PS3 isn't the force that gets anyone to enter fistfights or rob a store. It is simply a reason, but we make the final decision and we have the final say in what we do and how we do it. People decided on their own that they wanted this product so bad that they'd go to extremes to get their hands on it. They supplied the product and we the consumers took things too far.
There's nothing to prevent Sony from not doing something that's completely legal (launching a console is rather straightforward and has been done time and again) so why they should have prevented it? Like I've said before, at the end of the day it's not one bit their duty or job to make sure you don't break the law.
Sony is a corporation. It's their job to design, manufacture, and sell you their products. Not to protect you from yourself and others. If you expect a large business to take the moral or ethical high ground in any matter then I don't know what to tell you.
I do not know what to say to that, it seems you already accepted that fact and you will never fight to make it change. We know what the atom bomb will do, but heh, just to make sure we will try it.
Sony ship less console to get free publicity, we get chaos and violence. Cigarette company put substance to make you addict, we get disease and death. Gun company sell other type of weapon other than huntinh weapon to the mass population, we get murderer. We fight for gaz instead of looking/using other type of energy, we get war.
Today's society has accepted those facts and do nothing about, when you try to raise for voice, people like you says to shut up and open your eyes, they will not do anything to protect you they want money, you just prove my point "THEY WANT MONEY" and they do not care about you. Lets blame the population for the behavior when those company have the knowledge to stop everything. So instead of helping people, lets blame them and move on. It is because of people who think like you that the world look like that today.
Get a life you freaking Gamer.....no no, you don't understand, I'm a Gamer, I have many lives!!
I don't think the PS3 is worth waiting in ridiculous lines, paying full price, and possibly getting shot or beat up by some lunatic. I'd rather wait for the craziness to die down a little and hopefully by then there will be a price drop and more games.
The sad thing about it is in a couple of years all this will be a thing of the past. Ppl getting shot for a system and in 3-4 years youll find used for 20 bucks at stores. I never understood why they only make a limited amount of systems knowing that the demand is high. They know they more systems they make the more profit they get, but it seems that they only use it as a marketing tool to get more ppl interested.
Originally posted by srohek Second of all Sony is NOT making anymore money by minimizing available units. Yes, the demand is high, and the value goes up due to limited supply, but Sony doesn't GAIN from this. It's the consumers to decide to RESELL it who wins, NOT SONY.
My friend that is where you are wrong. All of the hype caused by the resale, the stabbings, the gun shot wounds, the fools who sleep on the sidewalk over night just to get one of these machines - does give Sony gain - better gain then advertising during the Superbowl. Its called - FREE ADVERTISING - and whether it be good or bad - its all free - and it gets their name out there more and more and more - at no cost to them.
Yes - Sony, Microsoft - they both do this on purpose - it makes perfect business sense - to "make" less units then necessary - and then cause a "Artificial" demand for the product. Here's the reasoning - the more hype created by them not "making" enough product causes a great deal of publicity - and then gets worldwide focus on their company for this scenario - now then there are those profiting off E-Bay sales - at anywhere between 5k and 10k a piece - well that is another facet - then there are the normal people - who had no intention of buying this system til either Blue Ray tech got less expensive or after Christmas 2006.... now that there has been this unbelievable amount of publicity - the sales from those people will increase and their profits will increase for the christmas season as the systems become "More Available".
Does anyone really believe that a Multi-Billion dollar corporation like Sony - is going to not "build" enough product due to the thought of less sales? Stupid people do - thats why they will have sky rocketing profits for Q4 2006.
Do intelligent people understand that Sony - probably has a warehouse full of these Systems - and is purposely sending small amounts of the product to cause this type of hype - yep.
As for suing Sony - it has been done in the past to companies for this - for example - Kingston, Corsair, K-Byte - for those of you who do not know - these are RAM manufacturers. These wonderful folks drove the prices of RAM up on the american market just by stating that there was a shortage and enough RAM could not be created to meet the demand. "Its all been a pack of lies" - it ended up they had warehouses full of RAM - and broke very many US trade laws in the process.
Due to the fact people have been injured over this game system - Sony could be required under some trade agreement or "International" law to allow the US government to look at and inspect their warehouses to see if the shortage really existed. If no shortage existed - then the company could be held liable for causing the mayhem, strife and injury it has caused by stating their was a shortage.
Is the US government going to do that? Probably not - will a private attorney try - if hes paid enough. And good luck finding an attorney that will sue a multi-billion dollar international company.
Oh where to begin: DAoC Juansanchez 50 Armsman Igraine - Back from the Grave DAoC Prol 50 Necro Igraine - Back from the Grave CoH Devient 28 Mace/Stone Tank *Retired* WoW Talgar 27 Warrior *Retired* Horizons Goledstadt 35 Dragon *Retired* And many many others in many many games. But I always go back to my home in DAoC
Today's society has accepted those facts and do nothing about, when you try to raise for voice, people like you says to shut up and open your eyes, they will not do anything to protect you they want money, you just prove my point "THEY WANT MONEY" and they do not care about you. Lets blame the population for the behavior when those company have the knowledge to stop everything. So instead of helping people, lets blame them and move on. It is because of people who think like you that the world look like that today.
Did I ever say anything different about them wanting money? No. Of course they want your money, it's a business for crying out loud. And I'm not sure why you're taking a veiled shot at me as I haven't personally directed anything at you, but I hope you feel better. I also never said to shut up to anything, but oh well.
Helping people with what? A higher percentage of being able to get a PS3 at launch?
If someone murders another human being, they're accountable for that. I don't care what it's over. Drugs, money, weapons, a PS3. You dictate your actions and no one else does. Do those things help fuel those actions? Sure. But do they make that final decision? Not at all.
My whole point has been that you can't legally fault Sony for what somebody does to another human being, unless you want to argue that the PS3 is a weapon. It doesn't matter if ethically or morally what they're doing is right or wrong, legally I don't see how you can say that they take the fall for something like that.
Feel free to disagree, because I'm not condemning anyone for disagreeing with me. Simply discussing my thoughts on the matter.
Originally posted by liddokun Originally posted by trigger190 I never understood why people actually wait in line, or in this case, shoot people, just to get a PS3 as soon as possible, as if their lives depend on it.
Not only will it be cheaper if you buy it at a later date, but there will be more games available and less hassle to get one.
Correct. The reason is because some people are impatient idiots.
Nop, The reason is that someone can make 9k in 3 days lol. My friend and his brother waited 3 days in line, to get 2 PS3, Sold each for 5k hehe I wish I didn't have to work, or I would have done the same.
Originally posted by ghost047 I understand what you guys are saying, but these company should have a morale responsability. They know what will happen and they do it anyway. Following your logic, why blame Bush for the war, he is not the one doing it, soldier does, so it is the soldier fault.
Lots of people are infuence by everything and everyone, why do you think there is rating on movie and video games, because people follow these idea. I am not saying music, movie and so are to blame for all the violence in the world, but there is a logic somewhere. People are driven by money, look on this site, buying/selling currancy or level is illegal, but it is not illegal to advertise it, but this site knows it and they still do it, money=no moral.
Company have a moral resposability but they do not care because they want money. A majority of people on this site complain about those company who try to make there game like WoW because they want money, they do not care about the customer, but let blame on player because they play these game.
Yeah but what you're saying is different, you're saying Sony is morally wrong because they can't manufacture enough PS2s. That's the most retarded thing I've ever heard.
Originally posted by Devient Originally posted by srohek Second of all Sony is NOT making anymore money by minimizing available units. Yes, the demand is high, and the value goes up due to limited supply, but Sony doesn't GAIN from this. It's the consumers to decide to RESELL it who wins, NOT SONY.
My friend that is where you are wrong. All of the hype caused by the resale, the stabbings, the gun shot wounds, the fools who sleep on the sidewalk over night just to get one of these machines - does give Sony gain - better gain then advertising during the Superbowl. Its called - FREE ADVERTISING - and whether it be good or bad - its all free - and it gets their name out there more and more and more - at no cost to them.
Yes - Sony, Microsoft - they both do this on purpose - it makes perfect business sense - to "make" less units then necessary - and then cause a "Artificial" demand for the product. Here's the reasoning - the more hype created by them not "making" enough product causes a great deal of publicity - and then gets worldwide focus on their company for this scenario - now then there are those profiting off E-Bay sales - at anywhere between 5k and 10k a piece - well that is another facet - then there are the normal people - who had no intention of buying this system til either Blue Ray tech got less expensive or after Christmas 2006.... now that there has been this unbelievable amount of publicity - the sales from those people will increase and their profits will increase for the christmas season as the systems become "More Available".
Does anyone really believe that a Multi-Billion dollar corporation like Sony - is going to not "build" enough product due to the thought of less sales? Stupid people do - thats why they will have sky rocketing profits for Q4 2006.
Do intelligent people understand that Sony - probably has a warehouse full of these Systems - and is purposely sending small amounts of the product to cause this type of hype - yep.
As for suing Sony - it has been done in the past to companies for this - for example - Kingston, Corsair, K-Byte - for those of you who do not know - these are RAM manufacturers. These wonderful folks drove the prices of RAM up on the american market just by stating that there was a shortage and enough RAM could not be created to meet the demand. "Its all been a pack of lies" - it ended up they had warehouses full of RAM - and broke very many US trade laws in the process.
Due to the fact people have been injured over this game system - Sony could be required under some trade agreement or "International" law to allow the US government to look at and inspect their warehouses to see if the shortage really existed. If no shortage existed - then the company could be held liable for causing the mayhem, strife and injury it has caused by stating their was a shortage.
Is the US government going to do that? Probably not - will a private attorney try - if hes paid enough. And good luck finding an attorney that will sue a multi-billion dollar international company.
Moron, whats the point of GETTING FREE PUBLICITY FOR YOUR PRODUCT WHEN YOU HAVE A SHORTAGE OF THE PRODUCT TO SELL, AND THUS SONY WONT MAKE MONEY BECAUSE OF THAT. Their consoles sold out BEFORE the media reports. Also, Sony didn't intend for violence to insue over their product.
Originally posted by Sin- The sad thing about it is in a couple of years all this will be a thing of the past. Ppl getting shot for a system and in 3-4 years youll find used for 20 bucks at stores. I never understood why they only make a limited amount of systems knowing that the demand is high. They know they more systems they make the more profit they get, but it seems that they only use it as a marketing tool to get more ppl interested.
Very simple answer to that, because they want to release during holiday season. However, PS3 finished testing only 2 months prior to the release date, so they are selling what they were able to make during 2 month period. If they could have made 20 million by release date they would sell 20 million. Believe me, Sony is looking at all the money are they loosing due to eBay and hate the fact that they cant get a piece of that pie.
I'm gonna wait 6 months for more interesting games to come out and for this fiasco to blow over before getting my PS3 and laugh at people who shelled out $10K bucks for it.
I think if anything, this whole situation just proves how hopelessly addicted some people can be. It's useless to sit here in this forum and point fingers at whose fault it is. Here, especially, is perhaps not the right audience for trying to get some real action going about the issue.
If hearing and seeing people physically fight over a PS3 bothers you THAT MUCH, then maybe you should go to your local stores, go up to the people in these lines, and tell them to "get a life!" or whatever you feel you need to tell them. Or on the other hand, write to Sony, write them every damn day/week/hour/whatever about how you feel about their actions.
(And when I say "you" I mean anyone reading this thread who is terribly disturbed by the topic and feels there needs to be some action taken.)
I don't know about this, I remember there being a shortage of 360's as well when they came out. I honestly don't think that companies like Microsoft and Sony are stupid or ignorant enough to make too few of a cash cow product like their consoles. Call me a conspiracy theorist, but I think that both Microsoft and Sony engineered planned shortages, for two reasons. First, to drive up the hype and buzz about their products right before the holiday season. Second, I think it's sort of an advanced beta phase, a controlled release to weed out the last few bugs in the system. I seem to remember a lot of 360's being sent back due to technical problems, and by the time PS3 was released in US, I read that something like 10% of the units sold in Japan the previous week had been sent back due to the same kinds of problems. The only way to truly test equipment is to get it out into the population in large quantities and see how they all react to normal use. If problems do arise, it's obviously going to be a lot cheaper and easier to remedy if the manufacturer only sends out 200k units or so, rather than delivering a couple million. I'm not saying they have secret warehouses loaded with PS3's in some backwoods location, but it makes complete sense to me that they would only deliver very limited numbers of product in the beginning, just to see how things pan out before going into full-blown production and distribution.
I apologize if someone already made this point, didn't read the full 4 pages of posts prior to writing this.
I haven't been on these forums for a while - dont really have any MMORPG to play right now and got bored waiting for the new releases so I am playing some SP console games and giving my PC a rest (finished gears of war at the weekend - awesome game btw).
If I remember correctly the news I have read about the PS3 in the past there are 2 bits of news to bear in mind:
1) Initial supply was going to be limited due to a shortage of the diodes (I think thats the right bit) that went into making the blue-ray player in the PS3, basically there is a shortage of a needed component - its not a clever marketing strategy, Sony want a large user base.
2) Sony were due to lose 100s of dollars per machine they sold due to the cost of making the PS3 - they were looking at recouping cost through peripherals, software licensing and probably media production for the games titles. In the future however it was seen that prices would drop to one day become profitble.
As far as I can see at the moment sony are between a rock and a hard place - selling consoles will lose them money but increase market share, not selling consoles will restrict their user base that can be used to make future profits - as more XBOX30 and Wii consoles are sold their prospective client base may dwindle a bit. Not the greatest of business models it it ?
As far as I can see at the moment sony are between a rock and a hard place - selling consoles will lose them money but increase market share, not selling consoles will restrict their user base that can be used to make future profits - as more XBOX30 and Wii consoles are sold their prospective client base may dwindle a bit. Not the greatest of business models it it ?
Increasing market share is more important to Sony, in fact that is their prime strategy. I have read the the article about shortage of diodes used for making the blu-ray disc drive that is causing this shortage. More machines per family = more future income. In fact what Sony's CEO Ken Kutaragi planned is to have a PS3 machine in every home's living room within the next 5 years. The shortage isn't Sony's fault in fact it's REALLY hurting them badly. That is also one of the reason why Sony is selling the PS3 at a loss, they are losing something around $250 for every machine they sold.
Originally posted by liddokun As far as I can see at the moment sony are between a rock and a hard place - selling consoles will lose them money but increase market share, not selling consoles will restrict their user base that can be used to make future profits - as more XBOX30 and Wii consoles are sold their prospective client base may dwindle a bit. Not the greatest of business models it it ?
Increasing market share is more important to Sony, in fact that is their prime strategy. I have read the the article about shortage of diodes used for making the blu-ray disc drive that is causing this shortage. More machines per family = more future income. In fact what Sony's CEO Ken Kutaragi planned is to have a PS3 machine in every home's living room within the next 5 years. The shortage isn't Sony's fault in fact it's REALLY hurting them badly. That is also one of the reason why Sony is selling the PS3 at a loss, they are losing something around $250 for every machine they sold. Well Sony already has around 70% of the market (pre 360 numbers). So I think they are just concentrating on keeping that marketshare. As for the selling concoles at a loss. Every console since N64 was sold at a loss, companies make a lot more on games in a long run.
I can understand impatience, when it is precised about something you really want.
I don't understand it in this case however.
I was waiting anxisouly for CoV release, I was there on day 1 (same for EQ2, but that would be another story and I rather focus on the nicest). When they allow me to start playing a whooping 2 days ahead. Then shit happen and I was unable to even log in for 10 days...I put on some drama and honestly, Cryptic lost a lot more with me unhappy then if I would have been happy playing...but well...
I was waiting for NWN2, buy it ASAP and play it ASAP as well. Usually, it isn't good for a game if I wait for it on day 1, only BioWare and Sid Meeirs were able to handle it positively and emerge stronger as a result.
But...a console? WTF? What am I missing? It is only a medium to PLAY, it is pointless without the right game...
I would not pre-order or whatever nonsense like camping...but showing up on day 1 is certainly something I can do, and it is only better, in my case as an individual customer, if I can get what I want. (and I usually get the games I want on day 1, even when they are BO, but not always, sellers know the player type, I don't mind paying for the deluxe special edition, if it is on day 1, but I will not want to wait for an extra 2 days, I will go see their competitors, sometimes sellers sold me their own reservations as they understand how I think...)
Some peoples are silly...when I browse at the PS3 and Wii games offering...I FAAK. I buy my 360 when I saw Oblivion in store, and I am quite happy with this purchase, even if I didn't buy any other game on the 360 yet. When something is worth it, I will buy it...but until then...they can sit in store.
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I am just saying that with the knowledge Sony had, they could of prevent this chaos over the PS3.
So you're saying I'd be legally responsible for someone committing vehicular homicide in a vehicle that was under their name and title and I had no more legal ties to whatsoever? Melissa is legally repsonsible for being a whore, since she never broke a single law in any of her actions?
Sony is a corporation. It's their job to design, manufacture, and sell you their products. Not to protect you from yourself and others. If you expect a large business to take the moral or ethical high ground in any matter then I don't know what to tell you.
Again, Sony didn't do anything directly. It's the actions of people that caused the chaos. The PS3 isn't the force that gets anyone to enter fistfights or rob a store. It is simply a reason, but we make the final decision and we have the final say in what we do and how we do it. People decided on their own that they wanted this product so bad that they'd go to extremes to get their hands on it. They supplied the product and we the consumers took things too far.
There's nothing to prevent Sony from not doing something that's completely legal (launching a console is rather straightforward and has been done time and again) so why they should have prevented it? Like I've said before, at the end of the day it's not one bit their duty or job to make sure you don't break the law.
Sony is a corporation. It's their job to design, manufacture, and sell you their products. Not to protect you from yourself and others. If you expect a large business to take the moral or ethical high ground in any matter then I don't know what to tell you.
I do not know what to say to that, it seems you already accepted that fact and you will never fight to make it change. We know what the atom bomb will do, but heh, just to make sure we will try it.
Sony ship less console to get free publicity, we get chaos and violence.
Cigarette company put substance to make you addict, we get disease and death.
Gun company sell other type of weapon other than huntinh weapon to the mass population, we get murderer.
We fight for gaz instead of looking/using other type of energy, we get war.
Today's society has accepted those facts and do nothing about, when you try to raise for voice, people like you says to shut up and open your eyes, they will not do anything to protect you they want money, you just prove my point "THEY WANT MONEY" and they do not care about you. Lets blame the population for the behavior when those company have the knowledge to stop everything. So instead of helping people, lets blame them and move on. It is because of people who think like you that the world look like that today.
Get a life you freaking Gamer.....no no, you don't understand, I'm a Gamer, I have many lives!!
The sad thing about it is in a couple of years all this will be a thing of the past. Ppl getting shot for a system and in 3-4 years youll find used for 20 bucks at stores. I never understood why they only make a limited amount of systems knowing that the demand is high. They know they more systems they make the more profit they get, but it seems that they only use it as a marketing tool to get more ppl interested.
My friend that is where you are wrong. All of the hype caused by the resale, the stabbings, the gun shot wounds, the fools who sleep on the sidewalk over night just to get one of these machines - does give Sony gain - better gain then advertising during the Superbowl. Its called - FREE ADVERTISING - and whether it be good or bad - its all free - and it gets their name out there more and more and more - at no cost to them.
Yes - Sony, Microsoft - they both do this on purpose - it makes perfect business sense - to "make" less units then necessary - and then cause a "Artificial" demand for the product. Here's the reasoning - the more hype created by them not "making" enough product causes a great deal of publicity - and then gets worldwide focus on their company for this scenario - now then there are those profiting off E-Bay sales - at anywhere between 5k and 10k a piece - well that is another facet - then there are the normal people - who had no intention of buying this system til either Blue Ray tech got less expensive or after Christmas 2006.... now that there has been this unbelievable amount of publicity - the sales from those people will increase and their profits will increase for the christmas season as the systems become "More Available".
Does anyone really believe that a Multi-Billion dollar corporation like Sony - is going to not "build" enough product due to the thought of less sales? Stupid people do - thats why they will have sky rocketing profits for Q4 2006.
Do intelligent people understand that Sony - probably has a warehouse full of these Systems - and is purposely sending small amounts of the product to cause this type of hype - yep.
As for suing Sony - it has been done in the past to companies for this - for example - Kingston, Corsair, K-Byte - for those of you who do not know - these are RAM manufacturers. These wonderful folks drove the prices of RAM up on the american market just by stating that there was a shortage and enough RAM could not be created to meet the demand. "Its all been a pack of lies" - it ended up they had warehouses full of RAM - and broke very many US trade laws in the process.
Due to the fact people have been injured over this game system - Sony could be required under some trade agreement or "International" law to allow the US government to look at and inspect their warehouses to see if the shortage really existed. If no shortage existed - then the company could be held liable for causing the mayhem, strife and injury it has caused by stating their was a shortage.
Is the US government going to do that? Probably not - will a private attorney try - if hes paid enough. And good luck finding an attorney that will sue a multi-billion dollar international company.
Oh where to begin:
DAoC Juansanchez 50 Armsman Igraine - Back from the Grave
DAoC Prol 50 Necro Igraine - Back from the Grave
CoH Devient 28 Mace/Stone Tank *Retired*
WoW Talgar 27 Warrior *Retired*
Horizons Goledstadt 35 Dragon *Retired*
And many many others in many many games. But I always go back to my home in DAoC
I've enjoyed reading the debate here. I think there will be a backlash to Sony's reputation for this.
Did I ever say anything different about them wanting money? No. Of course they want your money, it's a business for crying out loud. And I'm not sure why you're taking a veiled shot at me as I haven't personally directed anything at you, but I hope you feel better. I also never said to shut up to anything, but oh well.
Helping people with what? A higher percentage of being able to get a PS3 at launch?
If someone murders another human being, they're accountable for that. I don't care what it's over. Drugs, money, weapons, a PS3. You dictate your actions and no one else does. Do those things help fuel those actions? Sure. But do they make that final decision? Not at all.
My whole point has been that you can't legally fault Sony for what somebody does to another human being, unless you want to argue that the PS3 is a weapon. It doesn't matter if ethically or morally what they're doing is right or wrong, legally I don't see how you can say that they take the fall for something like that.
Feel free to disagree, because I'm not condemning anyone for disagreeing with me. Simply discussing my thoughts on the matter.
Correct. The reason is because some people are impatient idiots.
Nop, The reason is that someone can make 9k in 3 days lol. My friend and his brother waited 3 days in line, to get 2 PS3, Sold each for 5k
My friend that is where you are wrong. All of the hype caused by the resale, the stabbings, the gun shot wounds, the fools who sleep on the sidewalk over night just to get one of these machines - does give Sony gain - better gain then advertising during the Superbowl. Its called - FREE ADVERTISING - and whether it be good or bad - its all free - and it gets their name out there more and more and more - at no cost to them.
Yes - Sony, Microsoft - they both do this on purpose - it makes perfect business sense - to "make" less units then necessary - and then cause a "Artificial" demand for the product. Here's the reasoning - the more hype created by them not "making" enough product causes a great deal of publicity - and then gets worldwide focus on their company for this scenario - now then there are those profiting off E-Bay sales - at anywhere between 5k and 10k a piece - well that is another facet - then there are the normal people - who had no intention of buying this system til either Blue Ray tech got less expensive or after Christmas 2006.... now that there has been this unbelievable amount of publicity - the sales from those people will increase and their profits will increase for the christmas season as the systems become "More Available".
Does anyone really believe that a Multi-Billion dollar corporation like Sony - is going to not "build" enough product due to the thought of less sales? Stupid people do - thats why they will have sky rocketing profits for Q4 2006.
Do intelligent people understand that Sony - probably has a warehouse full of these Systems - and is purposely sending small amounts of the product to cause this type of hype - yep.
As for suing Sony - it has been done in the past to companies for this - for example - Kingston, Corsair, K-Byte - for those of you who do not know - these are RAM manufacturers. These wonderful folks drove the prices of RAM up on the american market just by stating that there was a shortage and enough RAM could not be created to meet the demand. "Its all been a pack of lies" - it ended up they had warehouses full of RAM - and broke very many US trade laws in the process.
Due to the fact people have been injured over this game system - Sony could be required under some trade agreement or "International" law to allow the US government to look at and inspect their warehouses to see if the shortage really existed. If no shortage existed - then the company could be held liable for causing the mayhem, strife and injury it has caused by stating their was a shortage.
Is the US government going to do that? Probably not - will a private attorney try - if hes paid enough. And good luck finding an attorney that will sue a multi-billion dollar international company.
Moron, whats the point of GETTING FREE PUBLICITY FOR YOUR PRODUCT WHEN YOU HAVE A SHORTAGE OF THE PRODUCT TO SELL, AND THUS SONY WONT MAKE MONEY BECAUSE OF THAT. Their consoles sold out BEFORE the media reports. Also, Sony didn't intend for violence to insue over their product.
I think if anything, this whole situation just proves how hopelessly addicted some people can be. It's useless to sit here in this forum and point fingers at whose fault it is. Here, especially, is perhaps not the right audience for trying to get some real action going about the issue.
If hearing and seeing people physically fight over a PS3 bothers you THAT MUCH, then maybe you should go to your local stores, go up to the people in these lines, and tell them to "get a life!" or whatever you feel you need to tell them. Or on the other hand, write to Sony, write them every damn day/week/hour/whatever about how you feel about their actions.
(And when I say "you" I mean anyone reading this thread who is terribly disturbed by the topic and feels there needs to be some action taken.)
Waiting on Guild Wars 2
I don't know about this, I remember there being a shortage of 360's as well when they came out. I honestly don't think that companies like Microsoft and Sony are stupid or ignorant enough to make too few of a cash cow product like their consoles. Call me a conspiracy theorist, but I think that both Microsoft and Sony engineered planned shortages, for two reasons. First, to drive up the hype and buzz about their products right before the holiday season. Second, I think it's sort of an advanced beta phase, a controlled release to weed out the last few bugs in the system. I seem to remember a lot of 360's being sent back due to technical problems, and by the time PS3 was released in US, I read that something like 10% of the units sold in Japan the previous week had been sent back due to the same kinds of problems. The only way to truly test equipment is to get it out into the population in large quantities and see how they all react to normal use. If problems do arise, it's obviously going to be a lot cheaper and easier to remedy if the manufacturer only sends out 200k units or so, rather than delivering a couple million. I'm not saying they have secret warehouses loaded with PS3's in some backwoods location, but it makes complete sense to me that they would only deliver very limited numbers of product in the beginning, just to see how things pan out before going into full-blown production and distribution.
I apologize if someone already made this point, didn't read the full 4 pages of posts prior to writing this.
I haven't been on these forums for a while - dont really have any MMORPG to play right now and got bored waiting for the new releases so I am playing some SP console games and giving my PC a rest (finished gears of war at the weekend - awesome game btw).
If I remember correctly the news I have read about the PS3 in the past there are 2 bits of news to bear in mind:
1) Initial supply was going to be limited due to a shortage of the diodes (I think thats the right bit) that went into making the blue-ray player in the PS3, basically there is a shortage of a needed component - its not a clever marketing strategy, Sony want a large user base.
2) Sony were due to lose 100s of dollars per machine they sold due to the cost of making the PS3 - they were looking at recouping cost through peripherals, software licensing and probably media production for the games titles. In the future however it was seen that prices would drop to one day become profitble.
As far as I can see at the moment sony are between a rock and a hard place - selling consoles will lose them money but increase market share, not selling consoles will restrict their user base that can be used to make future profits - as more XBOX30 and Wii consoles are sold their prospective client base may dwindle a bit. Not the greatest of business models it it ?
Well Sony already has around 70% of the market (pre 360 numbers). So I think they are just concentrating on keeping that marketshare. As for the selling concoles at a loss. Every console since N64 was sold at a loss, companies make a lot more on games in a long run.
My teacher who is like 50 wanted the ps3
I can understand impatience, when it is precised about something you really want.
I don't understand it in this case however.
I was waiting anxisouly for CoV release, I was there on day 1 (same for EQ2, but that would be another story and I rather focus on the nicest). When they allow me to start playing a whooping 2 days ahead. Then shit happen and I was unable to even log in for 10 days...I put on some drama and honestly, Cryptic lost a lot more with me unhappy then if I would have been happy playing...but well...
I was waiting for NWN2, buy it ASAP and play it ASAP as well. Usually, it isn't good for a game if I wait for it on day 1, only BioWare and Sid Meeirs were able to handle it positively and emerge stronger as a result.
But...a console? WTF? What am I missing? It is only a medium to PLAY, it is pointless without the right game...
I would not pre-order or whatever nonsense like camping...but showing up on day 1 is certainly something I can do, and it is only better, in my case as an individual customer, if I can get what I want. (and I usually get the games I want on day 1, even when they are BO, but not always, sellers know the player type, I don't mind paying for the deluxe special edition, if it is on day 1, but I will not want to wait for an extra 2 days, I will go see their competitors, sometimes sellers sold me their own reservations as they understand how I think...)
Some peoples are silly...when I browse at the PS3 and Wii games offering...I FAAK. I buy my 360 when I saw Oblivion in store, and I am quite happy with this purchase, even if I didn't buy any other game on the 360 yet. When something is worth it, I will buy it...but until then...they can sit in store.
- "If I understand you well, you are telling me until next time. " - Ren