Originally posted by Gresesmonkey Its not like I went out of my way to find this, I simply joined a random group and both people were extremely young, 1 being 10 and the other being only 9. If you pick 2 people at random from any other mmo I would expect different results. The U.S. uses a similar idea in determining a presidents approval ratings...they don't ask every person, they poll a small group and do the math.
Nor do they poll 2 people, in most cases it is a minimum of 1000 to have any shred of reliability. Then you have to decide if your group was truly random. I have not done the stockades, nor even heard of them, but how hard are they? What type of people does it attract? maybe 10 year olds like hanging out there hehe.
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Stockade is a 20-25 level mini-instance inside Stormwind. As such many people at that level are still learning and have no idea what they are doing.
To the OP: yes, you found a 9 and 10 year old guy in wow (that are not even supposed to be playing it) and i am sure you can find same people in like EQ2, EQ, DAoC and so on. The average age for wow players is somewhere in the 20ish. So you got unlucky once, that is what guilds and friend lists are for, find somebody good and stick with them.
Beside, low level instances are always like that. people have no idea what they are doing for the most part and are just learning what the whole "tanks, healing, DPS, aggro" mean. by the time you get to Scarlet monastery, most people will have learned.
I doubt any 9-10 year olds would be playing EQ//EQII due to their steep learning curve (well not so much EQ2) And ive played DAoC for about 3 years and the youngest person I found was 11. He acted very mature and we group for hours until he told me he was only 11
Reason why WoW's community is horrific is because it has almost no learning curve, anyone can jump right in and start playing with ease. Not only that, it is a warcraft game.
Originally posted by Gresesmonkey Well I finally got a group for stockades via the meeting stone, when i join the group I see that we only have 3 people, a druid, a warlock, and a priest (myself). So I figure the druid can tank in bear form and the warlock can nuke while i heal, not the best group, but doable. We start out alright...but then the druid got the idea to tank in cat form and pull entire rooms at a time. Needless to say she failed...we wiped 3 times before I called it quits.... this is what I am talking about when I say a community makes a game, not the other way around. A horrible game can be really fun if you have the right people to play with, a great example of this is RYL. A very low budget game, a very basic game, but in my opinion, one of the most fun games I have ever played, 2nd only to Pre-CU SWG. Anyway, here is a link to my encounter with a member from wow's community today.
Am I the only one that sees the irony in this? A poster who is trying to point out that the WoW community is immature with a screenshot is calling a 10 year old "Fucking retarded". As if that really is a sign of maturity..
I guess if you actually took the time to read post instead of posting 2 million times a day you would see that your not.
Originally posted by Giovanni_VTo all the people saying that you are the immature one: Your telling me you have NEVER been frustrated in a game like WoW and told somebody off? Come on .. get real. Doing an instance is not the time to stop and teach ten year olds every move to make. Noone has time for that... unless of course you like dieing.
I'm saying hes an immature douchebag. If you look at those screenshots (which he kindly provided), and the first thing that pops into your head isnt 'immature douchebag', I'd take a good hard look in the mirror. And stay away from kids.
I've had bad group experiences in every single game I have ever played.
When you pug it in WoW its always a at least a 50/50 chance you will get people who don't know how to play. Why ? well because there are 7 million WoW players. Your chances at drawing bad players increases. Its a matter of ratios and percentages. Pure hardcore mathematics and laws of averages. Has nothing to do whatsoever at all with the game.
I instead always try to give pointers. Like for example the druid in bear form gains armor and health. Pointing out that cat form doesn't work without a tank would have been your best option. If she got offended then oh well I used to tell people like that well then you won't ever get many groups if you refuse to learn how to play your class in a group. Some didn't mind the pointers from an obvious veteran. Some were beyond help and I never grouped with them again.
But I always tried to group with guildmates anyway. Made the experience a better one for me.
To all the people saying that you are the immature one: Your telling me you have NEVER been frustrated in a game like WoW and told somebody off? Come on .. get real. Doing an instance is not the time to stop and teach ten year olds every move to make. Noone has time for that... unless of course you like dieing.
Eh ... that's exactly what people do in endgame instances. The leader(s) advise people exactly where to do and what to do there. It's called "raid leadership". I agree that not everyone has the patience for it (and I don't like raiding at all really), but it's a core playstyle. If you take the time to explain to the group in a 5-man instance what is coming next and how to approach it, you actually *don't* die, and the group succeeds. And as for telling people off, no, I've never done that in the games that I've played. It's counterproductive and disrespectful and I also agree with others that it reflects an immature attitude. A mature player will take the opportunity to demionstrate some leadership and explain how to do the instance so that everyone succeeds.
The groups that I've been in WoW involving these types of people.. I'm sure are not always 10 years old. They may be adults for all I know. I dont really stop to ask them their age.
Sometimes taking the lead and informing the group will help you in a situation like this. Other times you have a group where most everyone on it doesnt listen to reason because you are surrounded by 4 "Leroy Jenkins" .. all in the same group. Is it always like that? No. But it happens.
I'm not saying the OP is an angel here. But I can feel his frustration. I've told people off for repeatedly trying to beg gold from me in /whispers... even though Ive already told them 8 times that I'm not giving them any gold. Granted.. I dont call them an "f****** retard" though.
I thinks its rare that a person can say that they have NEVER told anyone off at some point.
I think it is very unfair to slate a whole game on one experience, but my experience also says he does have a point to a degree.
I think one of the key things in my experience is he was in Deadmines, which means he was playing Alliance. What I've found when playing Alliance is you are more likely to group with kids who have to go AFK at the will of their parents, or have no sense of how to play really. They are having fun, that's fine, but it does sort of affect you in a group, of course. The whole group process is also less ordered, and more chaotic and just not as tactically focused.
In my experience, being Horde, I can say 90% of my grouping experiences have been fantastic and fine. People are largely polite, and they have a focus on ordered, tactical destruction that is very good.
Just my two cents. I was playing EQ2 and grouped with another player. Turned out he was 8. The thing was, I couldn't tell until he said he had to go for dinner and I am like how old are you. He was as mature as any adult I met and I definitely did not believe he was 8. So, young players are everywhere and they can be just as mature or even more mature than adults.
Originally posted by Gresesmonkey Well I finally got a group for stockades via the meeting stone, when i join the group I see that we only have 3 people, a druid, a warlock, and a priest (myself). So I figure the druid can tank in bear form and the warlock can nuke while i heal, not the best group, but doable. We start out alright...but then the druid got the idea to tank in cat form and pull entire rooms at a time. Needless to say she failed...we wiped 3 times before I called it quits.... this is what I am talking about when I say a community makes a game, not the other way around. A horrible game can be really fun if you have the right people to play with, a great example of this is RYL. A very low budget game, a very basic game, but in my opinion, one of the most fun games I have ever played, 2nd only to Pre-CU SWG. Anyway, here is a link to my encounter with a member from wow's community today.
As an old end game wow player i can only say one thing,,,, L2P NOOB
No to be perfectly honest u most be the biggest geek iv ever herd about... and what the hell does this post have anything to do whit wow? U can play any game u want and u will still be a moron.
Good Grief! I seem to be accidentally posting in the "how many idiots can you stuff into one thread" thread! Oh well... count me in! I hate to be left out.
Originally posted by Nadril I've seen idiots in Anarchy Online, one of the (IMO) best communitys there is in a game.There's idiots in everygame dude. Anyways, I don't know if its just me but after a week of playing WoW I have only noticed one (yes one) idiot making himself heard.
Temple of the Three Winds? Hehee! Yeah that was always fun when a group of forties or something got to the Aztur room to collect Exarch Robes and one member of the team decides to pull Uklesh.
Yeah calling someone retarded because they ask for a res, and being in stocks he could be in the next room and out of line or sight or asking you to res him upon return.
Horrible immature community that gets cursed for making a simple mistake.
Not to defend wow, because I loathe it and the crop of gamers coming out of it, but seriously if you want a horror story it has to involve a melee hunter, a shadowformed priest and a paladin tanking while a druid goes dps.
And I didn't feel the need to post about that little trip.
Originally posted by Tinybina Originally posted by Gresesmonkey Well I finally got a group for stockades via the meeting stone, when i join the group I see that we only have 3 people, a druid, a warlock, and a priest (myself). So I figure the druid can tank in bear form and the warlock can nuke while i heal, not the best group, but doable. We start out alright...but then the druid got the idea to tank in cat form and pull entire rooms at a time. Needless to say she failed...we wiped 3 times before I called it quits.... this is what I am talking about when I say a community makes a game, not the other way around. A horrible game can be really fun if you have the right people to play with, a great example of this is RYL. A very low budget game, a very basic game, but in my opinion, one of the most fun games I have ever played, 2nd only to Pre-CU SWG. Anyway, here is a link to my encounter with a member from wow's community today.
Did you at any point try to take some time out and instruct the 10 year old druid on what he was doing wrong? Or did you just call him retarded and laugh at him with your little young buddy....
And saying "he stupid, you can't tank more then one mob with a group this small" is not taking the time to instruct him/her.
Personally if you did not try to help and make the youngster better understand, then I would say you are the type of that is "Why WOW is so great"...
I'm going to base my response on this. I agree with the jist of this post, I believe the problem in WoW doesn't lay with the immature or inexperienced players. We must remember, World of Warcraft is practically an introductory MMORPG. Simply put, for a great majority of the users, this is their first MMORPG. You didn't go in knowing what to do, you may have had a concept from other games though. These people don't even have that benefit.
I actually believe the problem with WoW is the people who call these players out. Though I was once guilty of this, and after a permanent ban for excessive "verbal abuse," I've taken a different approach to these people.
Don't insult, educate. Agreed, and this generally works fine in WoW, although with some of the more immature kids any attempt to educate is met with nothing but insults.
Agreed, and this generally works fine in WoW, although with some of the more immature kids any attempt to educate is met with nothing but insults.
Thats what usually happens when I try to educate instead of insult. Now I just dont say anything and find a different group. Its not worth my time to educate someone who wants to stay inexperienced instead of learning. Or insulting them and starting a /whisper war that never ends.. until you type /ignore.
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Its old news that WoW has a terrible community....
Examples..
[2. Trade] WTB [Golden Pearl]
Me: ill sell you one for 20g
Guy: Thats the same price as the AH you dumbass (AH prices for it were 25+)
Guy: WHY?! WHY?! would i pay you the same price as the AH?
Giuy: You are dumb as a nail
Guy: And thick too
Guy: Answer me you F***tard
Me: People like you will bring this game to its knees /ignore
That actually happened to me last week while waiting for a BG to pop in ironforge.
But its not just 1 incident, stuff like that happens to me ALL the time. I could go with examples but you basically get my point.
Oh btw watch my sig and that will basically sum up the community
Nor do they poll 2 people, in most cases it is a minimum of 1000 to have any shred of reliability. Then you have to decide if your group was truly random. I have not done the stockades, nor even heard of them, but how hard are they? What type of people does it attract? maybe 10 year olds like hanging out there hehe.
Venge Sunsoar
Stockade is a 20-25 level mini-instance inside Stormwind. As such many people at that level are still learning and have no idea what they are doing.
To the OP: yes, you found a 9 and 10 year old guy in wow (that are not even supposed to be playing it) and i am sure you can find same people in like EQ2, EQ, DAoC and so on. The average age for wow players is somewhere in the 20ish. So you got unlucky once, that is what guilds and friend lists are for, find somebody good and stick with them.
Beside, low level instances are always like that. people have no idea what they are doing for the most part and are just learning what the whole "tanks, healing, DPS, aggro" mean. by the time you get to Scarlet monastery, most people will have learned.
I doubt any 9-10 year olds would be playing EQ//EQII due to their steep learning curve (well not so much EQ2) And ive played DAoC for about 3 years and the youngest person I found was 11. He acted very mature and we group for hours until he told me he was only 11
Reason why WoW's community is horrific is because it has almost no learning curve, anyone can jump right in and start playing with ease. Not only that, it is a warcraft game.
I guess if you actually took the time to read post instead of posting 2 million times a day you would see that your not.
edit: Nevermind, must not bite the trolls bait.
They're more used to idiots in the playground calling them retards so don't immediately punt your sorry excuse out of the party.
And not everyone in WoW is a kid. Keep playing and you'll find mature, organised players. They are gonna LOVE you.
I've had bad group experiences in every single game I have ever played.
When you pug it in WoW its always a at least a 50/50 chance you will get people who don't know how to play. Why ? well because there are 7 million WoW players. Your chances at drawing bad players increases. Its a matter of ratios and percentages. Pure hardcore mathematics and laws of averages. Has nothing to do whatsoever at all with the game.
I instead always try to give pointers. Like for example the druid in bear form gains armor and health. Pointing out that cat form doesn't work without a tank would have been your best option. If she got offended then oh well I used to tell people like that well then you won't ever get many groups if you refuse to learn how to play your class in a group. Some didn't mind the pointers from an obvious veteran. Some were beyond help and I never grouped with them again.
But I always tried to group with guildmates anyway. Made the experience a better one for me.
Eh ... that's exactly what people do in endgame instances. The leader(s) advise people exactly where to do and what to do there. It's called "raid leadership". I agree that not everyone has the patience for it (and I don't like raiding at all really), but it's a core playstyle. If you take the time to explain to the group in a 5-man instance what is coming next and how to approach it, you actually *don't* die, and the group succeeds. And as for telling people off, no, I've never done that in the games that I've played. It's counterproductive and disrespectful and I also agree with others that it reflects an immature attitude. A mature player will take the opportunity to demionstrate some leadership and explain how to do the instance so that everyone succeeds.
The groups that I've been in WoW involving these types of people.. I'm sure are not always 10 years old. They may be adults for all I know. I dont really stop to ask them their age.
Sometimes taking the lead and informing the group will help you in a situation like this. Other times you have a group where most everyone on it doesnt listen to reason because you are surrounded by 4 "Leroy Jenkins" .. all in the same group. Is it always like that? No. But it happens.
I'm not saying the OP is an angel here. But I can feel his frustration. I've told people off for repeatedly trying to beg gold from me in /whispers... even though Ive already told them 8 times that I'm not giving them any gold. Granted.. I dont call them an "f****** retard" though.
I thinks its rare that a person can say that they have NEVER told anyone off at some point.
I think it is very unfair to slate a whole game on one experience, but my experience also says he does have a point to a degree.
I think one of the key things in my experience is he was in Deadmines, which means he was playing Alliance. What I've found when playing Alliance is you are more likely to group with kids who have to go AFK at the will of their parents, or have no sense of how to play really. They are having fun, that's fine, but it does sort of affect you in a group, of course. The whole group process is also less ordered, and more chaotic and just not as tactically focused.
In my experience, being Horde, I can say 90% of my grouping experiences have been fantastic and fine. People are largely polite, and they have a focus on ordered, tactical destruction that is very good.
I understand this can vary server by server.
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Temple of the Three Winds? Hehee! Yeah that was always fun when a group of forties or something got to the Aztur room to collect Exarch Robes and one member of the team decides to pull Uklesh.
stocks he could be in the next room and out of line or sight or asking
you to res him upon return.
Horrible immature community that gets cursed for making a simple mistake.
Not to defend wow, because I loathe it and the crop of gamers coming
out of it, but seriously if you want a horror story it has to involve a
melee hunter, a shadowformed priest and a paladin tanking while a druid
goes dps.
And I didn't feel the need to post about that little trip.
I'm going to base my response on this. I agree with the jist of this post, I believe the problem in WoW doesn't lay with the immature or inexperienced players. We must remember, World of Warcraft is practically an introductory MMORPG. Simply put, for a great majority of the users, this is their first MMORPG. You didn't go in knowing what to do, you may have had a concept from other games though. These people don't even have that benefit.
I actually believe the problem with WoW is the people who call these players out. Though I was once guilty of this, and after a permanent ban for excessive "verbal abuse," I've taken a different approach to these people.
Don't insult, educate.
Agreed,
and this generally works fine in WoW, although with some of the more
immature kids any attempt to educate is met with nothing but insults.
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Agreed, and this generally works fine in WoW, although with some of the more immature kids any attempt to educate is met with nothing but insults.
Thats what usually happens when I try to educate instead of insult. Now I just dont say anything and find a different group. Its not worth my time to educate someone who wants to stay inexperienced instead of learning. Or insulting them and starting a /whisper war that never ends.. until you type /ignore.