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Paying payer much stronger?
Athaba
Member Posts: 48
in Planetside
I know, if I want to have the features I should pay.
But isn't that very boring, if every player can do everything?
It's like Ultima Online with 120% on every skill...
And because everyone is everything there is no tactic.
But besides that I really like the game. Really, really cool!
But isn't that very boring, if every player can do everything?
It's like Ultima Online with 120% on every skill...
And because everyone is everything there is no tactic.
But besides that I really like the game. Really, really cool!
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While you might have access to a lot more gear (still far from everything) at BR 25, you can still only carry as much as your inventory will allow. A paying subscriber will be a lot more versatile and can switch gear to better suit different situations, but will in most cirrcumstances be on par with a BR 6. Sure as BR 25 you get the option on having both repair and med tool, which will help you stay alive, but on 1 on 1 right here and then there isn't much difference to a reservist, there is ofcause experience...
/D
and Implants (which I think are really powerfull)
I havent played in about 2 months, but last I time I played that was impossible even at that BR....
Something tells me this is another tread from someone who doesn't have a clue what they are talking about.
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You see, every mammal on this planet instinctively develops a natural equilibrium with their surrounding environment, but you humans do not. You spread to an area, and you multiply, and you multiply, until every natural resource is consumed. The only way you can survive is to spread to another area. There is another organism on this planet that follows the same pattern. Do you know what it is? A virus. Human beings are a disease, a cancer of this planet.-Mr.Smith
either a troll or a noob. If you are a troll, then shame on you, if u r
a noob, then dont worry, in time you will become better and more
experienced. In PS, tactics and strategy are VERY important. Just
yesterday NCs had a single base on amerish while TR and VS fought over
control of our base... VS were organizing columns of vehicles (10-15
vehicles, sometimes threshers sometimes mag riders) which tried to
storm our base... they would of been sucessfull if not our good
defence, our combat engies kept placing lots of mines, our AV max units
kept running on walls and raining chaos onto mags, and when mines were
taken out, when AV maxes were destroyed, a well placed OS broke up mag
formation, allowing troops to get out and finish them off with
jammer/deci combos. Good fight! I love playing outnumbered becuase if
we survive, we can proudly say WE HAVE SKILLS!
People without tactics/strategy only know how to zerg, and that almost never works (unless heavily outnumbering our enemy)
I am the type of player where I like to do everything and anything from time to time.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holodomor - pre-WW2 genocide.
Banzai!
Please point out to me where ANYONE, other than yourself, has seriously suggested "rank doesn't mean anything". please; if you can find one in a post which isn't a blatant flame i'll be surprised.
YES, rank means something. a BR25 has access to a wider range of vehicles, gear, support equipment and implants - while they still have to specialise to an extent to be effective (ground vehicles, air vehicles, full Grunt... etc.), they are a hell of a lot less limited than a BR6.
Can a BR6 beat a BR25? certainly, and they frequently do. Is a BR25 likely to have a more fulfilling play experience? probably.
It's not funny, it's not clever, and it WILL break if you play with it.
-Zeke
You guys rip into him for not even flaming the game. But it's probably because you all know he speaks the truth.
The increased BR to 25 is one of the the many reasons I quit this now garbage MMO. Planetside is nothing like it used to be. With the BR 25 everyone is a f'ing jack of all trades, rambo, lone wolf player with prety much the game's entire arsenal at their hands. Every player is nearly the same now!!!!!! Especially with the fatc that you can now swap BR certs every 8 hours now. BS!
I remember back in 2003-04 when I would log into the once busy and bustling sanctuary (as people prepared raids) and people would shout out invites for medics, engineers, hackers, etc. to join thier squads. You don't see this anymore! Becuase just above everybody knows all three of these skils.
Back when the BR was lower (not exactly sure what it was before it was raised to 25) players had to be more cautious about whats certs they took and would therefore have to specialize in certain weapons, vehicles and skills. This would make grouping much more necessary becuase people who specialized in different certs would have to work together
This is not the case anymore. Now you just see guilds swap thier certs so they do entire reaver, lightening tank, or other lame solo vehicle rushes. OH MY! SUCH TACTICS!!!!!
Which FF Character Are You?
for some reason. Your main reasoning (BR25 are jack of all trades) isnt
even correct since you dont earn any certs after 23, you just get an
option to visualy change your character (remove helmet, wear a hat or
sun-glasses). Which makes me think you havent realy played this game in
a while.
I am the type of player where I like to do everything and anything from time to time.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holodomor - pre-WW2 genocide.
Trust me. There is more than the increased BR to 25 that I hate about the game now.
Oh yeah, and my argument about being able to use almost everything still stands true since the devs decided grouped up the vehicle and weapns now. So really after you maxed your certs out your left without playing with 4or 5 the games vehicles (3 of which you probably never use such as sunderer) and 4 or 6 of the games wepons.
The point is now that you can now use everything you want to use and what ever you didn't cert with is 80%-90% of stuff you probably would never even cert with to begin with. Therefore there is no more risk factor into what you choose to cert with.
Before the BR was increased and all the other crap happened I remember being maxed out and still deciding on whether to cert with a Striker or a Prowler. This was important because it would decide how I would play the game for the next 24 hours (before it was reduced to 8 hours). Whether as infantry or in a tank for most of the time. NOW! I can cert both the Prowler and the striker and get a couple more vehicles and weapons along with it! LAME!
This game has goen to the noobs! Strategy is out the window.
Let me give you a list of what I now hate abut this game:
Which FF Character Are You?
again. Where are you getting your information from? there are no
weapons packs, and the only vehicle packs that come to my mind is
scouting package, which includes a lightning (light tank), mossy (light
airplane), skyguard, and perhaps ATV... cant remember now. No
heavy vehicles are in the pack so none of them are overpowering. Thats
the only new pack that i can think of... that leaves old packs like
deliverer/empire specific troop transport, etc.
1) huh? HART time is 5 mins, as it was before ... unless you are
thinking way back when it was different? Was it ever? i realy never
paid much attention to that.
2) BR26? was that a typo?
3) in a way, but OS alone with a several hour timer isnt that much
because AMS recycle timer is just a few minutes, compared to OS timer.
4) BFRs, what are those? oh those big machines that 6 decis kill? BFRs
are pretty much a walking coffin. BFRs are only usefull under vehicle
and infantry support to protect them. Trust me, one single trooper with
jammers and decis can take out BFR easy.
5) raids... depends what you mean by that. If by raid you mean people
waiting for 30 mins gathering in sanctuary doing nothing but spamming
broadcast "RAIDING FORSERAL PST! LEAVING IN 20 MINUTES" then thats
actualy a good thing. But its up to your liking of course, some people
like it some dont.
6) Yes, although its still not as easy to do becuase you have 6 or 8
hours before you can switch between empire. You CANT just log into VS,
then log into NC then into TR. Cant do that.
7) Outfit wars? Ive been in PS for about 4 years, and in an outfit for
2 and I never heard anything remotely as outfit wars. You cant realy
see your enemy outfit so how is it possible to participate in an outfit
war? The closest thing to an outfit wr is when I heard something like
this "TRX attacking amerish, need leet squad to defend. PST for platoon
invite".
9) There are NO weapons combines. And there is only one vehicle combine (that I can think of)
10) I thought outfit base ownership has not been released to live servers yet?
I am the type of player where I like to do everything and anything from time to time.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holodomor - pre-WW2 genocide.
3. BFR's I hated them as well.. Horrible addition to the game..
9. Combining veh/weapons into groups - I think you mean the balance pass patch here.. Were they combined max suits/tanks/air and things of that nature.. While they have changed things for the better after that, I thought that was a black eye to the game...
Most of the people complaining about Outfit wars are the ones in the sorry arse outfits I seem to notice...While I think they brought this out about 2 years to late and the GM's they have monitoring the matches are a bunch of stank EQ devs who suck and don't know Planetside.. I think the actual concept is sound, but due to the fact that the populations are at a alltime low and most of the good outfits/players are playing WOW things are not as good as they could be for this event. Still a good concept but just like with the rabbit event, people start to loose and get all pissed and don't want to play anymore. Cowards I call them, some people get motivated and try to get better when they loose, but not punks online. They /cry and complain give up, and then go complain on the forums.
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You see, every mammal on this planet instinctively develops a natural equilibrium with their surrounding environment, but you humans do not. You spread to an area, and you multiply, and you multiply, until every natural resource is consumed. The only way you can survive is to spread to another area. There is another organism on this planet that follows the same pattern. Do you know what it is? A virus. Human beings are a disease, a cancer of this planet.-Mr.Smith
You are all talking about tactics. I think this game was meant to be tactical, but how can it be tactica, if most (noat all!) playerw grab their weapon and shoot and shoot and shoot and if thei have no ammo anymore they get killed. Everyone does anything without knowing what other players are doing. Most of the time the only voicecommands are "Help!"s.
But there are tactical players. They seem to be online at time with less other players logged in. At these times it really makes much fun.
The concept is really cool, but some players don't seem to understand, that teamplay is needed. Maybe I should join a clan (I forget the name for clans in this game. Sorry! *g*)
However. Thanks for the answers!
And sorry for my broken english =-)
The game shipped with a maximum BR of 20. then it went up to 23, and they added three more certs, which some complained bitterly about - so when they added BR24-5, they did not grant extra points. they have shifted the distribution around somewhat, giving a starter a higher number of certs off the bat (they now get fewer as they advance), but a maxed out player today will have precisely three more points to spend than a Maxed out character at release.
That's not the whole story of course - they consolidated a lot of the vehicle certs about a year and a half ago so that you do actually get more for your points in that category... but that was because you simply never saw most of the vehicles before. Thresher isn't WORTH three points on its own, harasser isn't worth two, nor were the ATVs (each, and that was before the Fury even existed), and NOBODY certed Lodestar (other than for novelty value) in the month or two that it was its own three-point cert, before they bundled it with Galaxy.
The only infantry weapon they moved that i recall was moving Deci from it's slightly perverse placement with the 'SA' weapons in with 'AV'. that and the bundled UniMAX cert, which saves you... two points on the eight you would previously have had to spend.
How you somehow leap from that to the mistaken impression that everyone has suddenly been turned into super-soldiers in the intervening time i don't know. Even in the beginning, any smart BR18+ would have Medic and Engi as standard simply because they are so incredibly useful. but as mentioned, anyone who has all three certs to adv. level is either extremely consciencious/team oriented, extremely keen on support or slightly thick. Reducing the cert timer and the empire switch timer (you could always swap from one empire to another - your selective memory seems to have airbrushed out complaints about the '4th empire' stretching right back to Beta - they simply reduced the time you have to wait before you can switch back) was a populist stunt to make the game more 'accessable', but on its own it can in no way be considered a game-breaker.
For the HART timer... yes, it was 15(?) mins before and was gradually reduced to 5. shock! horror! standing around in Sanctuary is no fun even now. as for Raids, the Find Squad feature means you don't HAVE to stand around in sanc spamming Broadcast, you just go and people will join. There are still raids, mainly from certain specific outfits, and they can be a lot of fun... but more often they simply tie up large numbers of people for long periods of time while they get organised.
Outfit Wars... is a reason to NOT like Planetside? they've botched matches and butchered the rules, but nevertheless i applaud the intent - for those of us who have stuck with the game throughout, it is a welcome break from the endless grind.
It's not funny, it's not clever, and it WILL break if you play with it.
-Zeke
In any single 1 on 1 encounter level capped and lower leveled toons are almost evenly matched. (The exceptions being orbital strike and implants).
As you get higher level however, the game becomes more fun as you can equip a variety of different weapon systems.
You can only use one at a time, but when you die, instead of having to wait for the timer to get your uber gear back, you simply select another of your many sets of Uber gear.
This keeps you in the thick of the fight for longer. Your access to vehicle variations allows you to travel to any fight quicker too.
Higher levels are not necessarily harder to kill on the battlefield, but they are having more fun than you.
What greater tribute to free will than the power to question the highest of authority? What greater display of loyalty than blind faith? What greater gift than free will? What greater love than loyalty?
I am the type of player where I like to do everything and anything from time to time.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holodomor - pre-WW2 genocide.
i kind of agree with the thread starter in a way. i actually love the skillcap at BR6 with 11 cert points, because you really have to specialize intelligently. do i want to maximize firepower with heavy assault (2 medium assault + 4 heavy) and maximize armor with reinforced exosuit (3), and be a rusher? but then i only have 2 points left, and i cant even repair my own armor or heal myself, or use vehicles.
maybe instead i'll try simply special assault (2 medium assault + 3 special) with a rocklet and thumper, using frags and plasma ammo, to take out infantry and mosquitos from safe distances, then i can even get medical (3) and engineering (3) and heal myself fully. but with this setup i would get destroyed by rushers, with low armor and not a good close-range weapon.
so maybe i'll try and make a hybrid, agile armor, heavy assault (2 + 4), engineering (3), then i could even use the remaining two on an AMS or an APC.
(this is also why i liked playing with friends. we would create cert setups that complement each other. like i could have a thumper and heal/engineer and kind of hang back a little, and my friend could be in reinforced exo with heavy assault, or a max suit, drawing most of the fire)
creating your own setup i admit was really fun in planetside in that sense. but it just seemed that paying players were overpowered to me as well. for example i didnt find it fair that a player can be terrorizing infantry with a mosquito, then if you happen to damage it, he could leap out with a heavy assault Minigun and easily finish you off, then heal and repair himself and hack a tower much faster than normal. thats just a little too much in my opinion.
but then again i also certainly agree that the paying customers should have more options, i guess i just dont like the way they did it. oh well.
You can't just switch when you feel like it, you have to visit a special terminal to get a different weapon loadout or construct a vehicle. For that reason it doesn't cause everyont to be "the same"
Also you can't CERT every vehicle (or you would have to miss out many infantry CERTs if you did) in Planetside simultaneously, and often people develop a playstyle centred around a specific piece of equipment.
THere is a lot that needs changing in PLanetside, but i think the CERT system works quite well.
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Seqqura
Oh and GOTR beats TRx out every day
I wish my grass was emo...
Learn2English
And BTW people that have to whine about TRx need to uninstall. Even in their hay day when they first came to Emerald those little Rexo scrubs where not that hard to kill... I want even comment on GOTR since they really deserve none...
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You see, every mammal on this planet instinctively develops a natural equilibrium with their surrounding environment, but you humans do not. You spread to an area, and you multiply, and you multiply, until every natural resource is consumed. The only way you can survive is to spread to another area. There is another organism on this planet that follows the same pattern. Do you know what it is? A virus. Human beings are a disease, a cancer of this planet.-Mr.Smith
Mate they really nerfed the tactics.
As a returning player even before they increased BR, they had grouped up all the certificates to make them cheaper. You could buy all the max's or all the light vehicles or all the aircraft etc.