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brostyn
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Any news on whether they will force people to raid to become effective in RvR?
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Mythic has said they're taking everything they've learned from DAOC PvP/RvR and making it better. That being said, DAOC was not a gear-centric game. This will not be another "he who has the newest toys wins" PvP disaster as WoW is. In early ToA, PvE raiding came into play for artifacts which in some cases were extremely hard and time consuming to get and level up. Mythic soon realised the balance issues this caused and proceeded to fix the issue, making artifacts less powerful and easier for the casual gamer to acquire/level.
To my understanding, there will be a bit of PvE raiding available for those who choose to do so, but the devs have stated that you can acquire your gear solely thru PvP/RvR in WAR, giving you the option to forego PvE completely if you wish to do so.
So in answer to your question...no, I wouldn't expect PvE raiding to be at all necessary to compete in RvR.
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No news as far as I know, they've implied that you won't need to raid at all, but haven't come out and said it directly, plus they are apparently including PVE raids in the game. Comments about how they learned from mistakes in DAOC could just mean that they think they can 'do raiding right' this time around, not that they're ditching enforced raiding entirely. I really hope they're not making another raid game, but they haven't come right out and said that they're not.
I just retired from Evercrap 2 because of the retarded hours you have to play to get decent gear. Personally I want a game that is all about TEAMWORK and SKILL.
Lets hope Mythic stays on track and allows you to get gear by CONQUERING YOUR ENEMIES / DESTRYOING THEIR TOWNS / PILLAGING THEIR CITIES
No news as far as I know, they've implied that you won't need to raid at all, but haven't come out and said it directly, plus they are apparently including PVE raids in the game. Comments about how they learned from mistakes in DAOC could just mean that they think they can 'do raiding right' this time around, not that they're ditching enforced raiding entirely. I really hope they're not making another raid game, but they haven't come right out and said that they're not.
Actually in a few videos it has been stated you get some of your best gear from City seiges. I dont remember which videos and honestly I dont care to filter through them all again, if you want to see it for yourself then go through the videos and watch them carefully.
Mythic has said time and again that raiding is not necessary, that PvE is not even necessary. You can both level and equip yourself through nothing but PvP, or PvE.
Fool me once shame on you, fool me twice shame on me.
Raid gear (PvP or PvE) will likely have a very small benifit over the easy to get gear. Practically, it has to or few people would raid.
A couple of stat points or a 5% chance to proc some effect. If the crafting system is done well (and you have enough money - it wasn't cheap in DAoC, I think I grinded gold for a month to buy a perfect set of equip. But I did say perfect 100% I've could of got a 98-99% for much less money) you should be able to be within 5% of people that raid. Stuff from raids has to be a little bit better, or unqiue or people won't raid.
uber loot from PvP raids could make it a bit different though. I either see it as people just PvP for fun and sometimes they people into a capitol city and get uber loot. Or I can see uber guilds attacking a weak faction everynight to farm loot. *shurgs* will have to wait and see.
That assuming 5 of the faction are evenily matched but drawfs are underplayed and thus weak. However, if you sack the dwawf capitol you get the same tier of loots as if you sacked the high evles. Only different is dwarfs are twice as easy to beat. So could end up with dwarf sconstastly getting raided for loot - since they are the easy race to sack on that server.
it's not going to be just orcs against dwarfs, or everyone against dwarfs. Even if the dwarfs are underplayed, you still have the high elfs and the humans to deal with in the dwarf zones.
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Yes, but that's completely meaningless; raiding is not necessary in any game, even in WOW, EQ, or DAOC with TOA, and you can equip yourself in any of those without raiding (though not entirely through PVP). What they haven't come out and said is whether raiding will provide better rewards than other content, which is the key point. If you can equip yourself with second-rate gear from PVP, but if you want the best will have to raid, that would be completely consistent with what they've said and yet the game would still clearly be a raiding game in my eyes.
Raiding wont give the best loot - its been said by devs numerous times that city sieges give the best loot.
I think they are going to try and make raiding bearable - like scaling the encounter to the number of characters and their tier/rank in your party (so if you bring a bunch of people - more spawn & harder bosses...)
War is not as item dependant as other games and will have lots of ways to get good gear - crafting, rewards, pvp loot and loot from pve
You will also see, "kill, attack, etc..." but the world "raid" will be used to describe PvP activities.
Yes, but that's completely meaningless; raiding is not necessary in any game, even in WOW, EQ, or DAOC with TOA, and you can equip yourself in any of those without raiding (though not entirely through PVP). What they haven't come out and said is whether raiding will provide better rewards than other content, which is the key point. If you can equip yourself with second-rate gear from PVP, but if you want the best will have to raid, that would be completely consistent with what they've said and yet the game would still clearly be a raiding game in my eyes.
I would consider the fact that you need to raid to get the best items as making raiding "necessary." So if they say PvE in general is unnecessary, then that means to me that Raids are definitely unnecessary.
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Also if Mythic does raiding like in DAOC then no it wont be necessary. Sure you could raid and get the best gear, or you could just use crafted gear that was almost as good. Basically you could deck out your character pretty easily in crafted gear and be more than viable. Unlike in WoW the difference between tiers and raiders and non raiders was huge, in DAOC it wasnt.
Also as I remember raids werent as hardcore in DAOC, I remember doing raids with my guild and bringing pick ups along the way. Met some really interesting people and even picked up a few good people for our guild. Raiding and seiging should be a way for a faction to grow stronger together, it shouldnt create unnecessary competition and animosity in the faction.
Besides TOA, which Mythic then toned down, Mythic did a good job with raiding and such in DAOC, and I have faith they will improve upon what they have done.
Fool me once shame on you, fool me twice shame on me.
If they have clearly said it, then POINT US TO A THEM SAYING IT. I have not seen a clear statement from Mythic like that, and I would love to see one because then I'd probably buy this game at release. Note carefully that statements that raiding will not be "neccessary" don't qualify; the developers could easily agree with MLecl who I've quoted below, and think that raiding is not 'neccessary' even if it gives the best gear.
Yes, but you are not a Mythic developer, so I don't really care what you consider to mean what. If that's what Mythic, not checkthis500 means, then why can't they come out and say it? This is epsecially true since it's clear that not everyone shares your definition of 'neccessary', for example the comment I've quoted below. What I want to know is whether your choice is going to be 'raid or be second rate', not something with weasel-words like 'neccesary' or 'viable'.
This is exactly why I worry that Mythic will be making another raid game like DAOC, I'm not interested in any game in which my choice is to raid or be second rate. I am not alone in this, there are a lot of people that have no interest in raiding or in being penalized for not engaging in activity they find mind-numbingly boring and annoying.
I'm interested in some stupid semantics game, just substitute "PVE raid" where everyone else has said raid here if it makes you happy.