People complaining about EVE in the PvE category, and not too many complaining about WoW in PvP? A i missing something.. WoW's PvP is god awful, GOD AWFUL, yes wow should be in pve category, no eve shouldnt, but the lack of people complaining about wow being under pvp GREATLY offends me. WoW's pvp is so boring and pointless and stupid. EVE deserves to be in the pve category just as much and even more so then wow in pvp. where the hell is lineage 2 and daoc, shit eq1 had better pvp..
Originally posted by chaintm Eve wins again, big suprise when a game dosn't require you to be there to gain skills, you can have a ton of downtime with that title so allot come on forums etc. Obviously allot of Eve players at this site. Maybe you should rename it MMORPGEVE. COM lol.
Let's see...
I can end-game WoW in a month, and hit the 'level cap' in that time as well.
Hitting the 'level cap' in EVE will take something like 28 years, if no new skills are added in the next 28 years, and there is no 'end game'.
I can level and grind in WoW while looking at a different screen. I can do it in EVE as well, but in EVE, I have the problem of a war target or pirate coming along and wasting my ass.
Yes, there's alot of EVE players at this site. It says alot about EVE and WoW when there are more people here from a 150k playerbase, than a 7million playerbase. It says alot of things, such as EVE having a bigger impact on its players and vice versa. If even 1% of WoW's playerbase spent 30 seconds coming here between their complex grinds for purples, you'd have WoW winning everything, everytime.
However, to paraphrase a racist:
WOW FANS DON'T CARE ABOUT MMORPG.COM AWARDS.
And spare me the garbage about having to pay so much attention to WoW compared to EVE, and if you try to argue WoW PvP vs EVE PvP you've already lost. It's not hard to play WoW or EVE and multitask.
So, how many voted for anything EVE just to spite WoW or visa versa?
Seriously, what's sad is these "rewards" often end up on other gaming sites, as some kinda of great feat that the MMORPG community at large, looks the most forward to X, or thinks Y has best graphics, or Z has best story.. ect. Because bottom line is they mean jack all when the options to vote is so limited that it's either EVE or WoW.
Plus the "rallying" various companies goes through to artificially inflate the polls is ridiculous.
If it's little more then a popularity contest, then why bother? With the pollls and "rewards".
Originally posted by Gameloading Nobody can say that these nominations were selected by the mmorpg.com community with a straigth face now that EVE has been nominated for best PVE.
If EVE was made in Asia you wouldn't say that.
The votes were made by the people who visit this site. People vote for their game, it's that simple....and justice for all.
Hi, I've lurked on here from time to time, but all this Eve hate has drawn me to post.
Why you ask is Eve in the pve catagory, and why would someone vote for it over say *shudders* Wow?
First let me clarify how I define pve. Pve is what you do to progress in a game that does not involve combat with another player. This include procurement of in game wealth, gaining 'experience points," gaining status, even personal amusment.
Quite simply Wow pve is a time sink. It's amusing to look at, as much in that game, but utterly pointless and lacking in depth. Like the rest of wow, it's a grind. At most (yes I've played it, gotten a couple of characters up into the high 40's before giving up in disgust) there is a "gee that's kinda neat" factor the first time though, and then it's just blah.
Eve on the other hand, offers an amazing depth of pve. It's not much eyecandy, though taking the first ship from your new production yard for a spin, or watching your bank reports add up those green lines from another sucessful business play is personally satisifying. One can salvage, trade, mine, research, produce, invest, steal, explore, mission run, social engineer, and empire build off the top of my head. All for pve, and all can be done solo or with others as you enjoy. Furthermore the pve is effected by the game community, so it is not static. Prices, values, and rewards all fluctuate to the realistic economic model that fuels everything in that universe.
So there you have it, why I voted for Eve for best PVE. If you don't agree that's fine, go vote against it. Sadly Wow is a poor competitor imo.
By the way, what is Wow even doing in the pvp catagory? Battlegrounds are a silly minigame, real pvp in Wow (using the term loosely) died when the nixed attacking the towns.
Its pure and simple.... nothing as far as any MMO out there has anything original with their PVE other then their company named NPC's. Eve is the most original out of all the mmos currently offered, Ive personally taught players who some would call Know-it-all's and they Still didnt know much about EVE and what it had to offer.... the game has an endless learning curve with endless possibilities in any catagory u place it. Where as any MMO that has been offered before its even launched, already has a huge portion of the game and u wont see too much more for content other then the odd story, mabey a cool looking movie...or a new charcter that you would have to RE-level. but nothing like what the EVE universe has expanded into... and nothing to even touch the endless possibilities that the Developers could add to the game and are currently working on. Where some are thinking about releasing a sequal to their MMO eve continues to be more diverse.
PVE in eve would take the average user a month to learn so that they could be comforatble with anything... where as a 6yr old kid could pick up WOW and start plaing it decently... As far as WoW touching every kid at heart and having a bigger market range for its demographic, is the only reason its a player... because as far as game content and innovation goes... they are lacking, they have been doing the same thing for years before. All they added was a Warcraft theme to the charcters. Nothing they offered is new nothing they are going to offer is new and they are running dry of content...
as far as PVE in detail about eve... ull never touch the amount of ship types, race type, faction type, moduals, space. there is just too many variables not to come up against something new if u are looking for it. and if u are looking foward to grinding out the same ships again and again its there for u to do aswell. complete freedom to do any MMO activity there is including ones exclusive to EVE and scales only to which EVE knows.
Ive played almost any decent looking MMO, and ive stuck with eve for 2 years without regret while trying to find something better... other then the apperance of the upcomming STO, nothing compares... and anything else gets boring in a month.
*Looks like voters weren't voting with objectivity like they should have on some of those. Readers choice rewards suck, because the readers can't be trusted to give an unbiased vote.
"Voting with objectivity"? "Unbiased choice". Every vote is a judgement call, which means that it is subjective. That is true for graphics, playing experience, everything. There is no such thing as objectivity in votes, or reader's choice rewards or indeed in any review by professional reviewers. And nor should there be. There would be no point to votes if the result could be determined by only applying a set of objective criteria.
My main issue with this type of choice is that I (and quite a few others, I guess) know only one game well enough. So I really can't compare EVE with WoW for the simple reason that I have never played WoW (unlike quite a few others, I guess :-)
This is always going to be a bit of a farce because of the sheer numbers who have played each game and who are voting. WoW has a hefty number who have played WoW, and EvE Online has a hefty number of people who have been voting for it. So I think it was an inevitably really, just a bit surprised Guild Wars did not feature more.
Originally posted by nthnaoun Looks like voters weren't voting with objectivity... I mean common? EvE for best PvE? We all know EvE is a great game and has excellent PvP, but PvE? ...
I wasn't going to post in here but all these replies about EVEs PVE compelled me too.
I voted EVE PVE as number one for the simple fact that I've played both EVE and WoW in PVE "mode"
EVE has lots of PVE, be it at belts whilst mining or getting that sec status up. Could be Lo-sec ratting or could be missions, from lvl1 to high end lvl4 or top end complex hunts.
Sure sometimes its a grind and with missions at least its very samey.
The difference between all that and the WoW PVE... bar the actual setting of the PVE its essentialy the same thing.
Now the reason I voted for EVE. It asks which PVE I enjoyed the most. Out of both games, both of them involving very repetative grinding at times, both of them failing to offer much of a challenge on most occasions, I enjoyed the EVE PVE most.
You think I should vote for WoW just because I voted EVE for PVP, GFX etc? Why? I voted truthfully given the choices I had and far from mindlessly.
Being an EVE'er, I voted EVE in all the categories it was elligible except "Best PvE"- as good as EVE is, it doesn't have Award Winning PvE by any stretch of the imagination. Didn't vote in that category, since I think WoWs PvE is pretty overrated too- seriously the vote-for-nominees system failed in that category.
Graphics: EVE still gives me tingles. Probably are some better, but not that were nominated. PvP: EVE really is the best there. PvE: [abstained] Story: EVE- I love the sci-fi, and the weekly short stories and chronicles really are of exceptional standards (Abraxas really is a genious). Most Anticipated: Pirates of the Burning Seas. What can I say, I love the whole nautical age-of-sail thing. New Game: [trash can]. What can I say, the only one half deserving is Guildwars, and I barely ount that as a new game. Overall: EVE.
My only guess as to why EVE has the PvE vote is that most people don't consider crafting, minining, trading etc PvP because they don't involve blasting other players but EvE does have an extermely intricate economy.
In the past year I have played at the very least, and in many cases actually bought the following MMO's:
Dark Age of Camelot, EQ2, SWG, Matrix Online, City of Heroes/Villains, RF Online, DDO, FFXI, WoW, and Eve
The only MMO's I'm playing right now are WoW and Eve. The rest of those might have some aspect to them that is kinda neat, but by and large they all suck donkey sack. Neither Eve nor WoW are perfect, they both have gaping flaws. I would personally like to see the Eve devs actually fix something on that game without breaking 5 other things, but at least they listen to their fans, and they fix most stuff which is more than I can say for any SOE game.
You want objectivity? After playing all those games, I'm quite sorry but WoW and Eve would be my top 2 choices in most of those categories, not to say that either is the epitome of what I want in an MMO but they truely are the best options out there based on my experiences with all those other games. The MMO genre as a whole sucks, they all have the same base gameplay elements put together with different coats of paint. Go here, kill this, loot that, equip loot, pwn noobs, rinse and repeat. Oh... yes crafting! Collect items, click the mouse a few times (and for fun in EQ2 you get to time your clicks to the right ability at the right time). I like eve for the community, and of all those games it's probably the most different, which is why i can go from WoW to eve pretty seamlessly because they are different enough that when I've had enough of one for the day i can pop over to the other.
With people bitching about the PvE nominations, the way I see it is this, WoW is great from 1-60 and then it's time to get in a raiding guild, set up a schedule like it's a part time job, and do the same damn dungeons over and over again and hope your next epic lewts drop from this boss and hope there aren't many others in the raid who need it too or raid more than you so they have priority. For eve the whole experience is kinda, well blah, but at least you can choose what pve you want to do, and you always have to watch your arse lest someone come blow you up to take all your stuff. It doesn't hold up to WoW 1-60, but it sure beats the crap out of WoW endgame repetitive raiding time.
Anyways, I could go on, but my point is that I think some of you guys are just trying to be rebels about the whole thing, or maybe you're sore that people came here from links on other sites just to vote for their favorite game, and it makes your vote mean less somehow. any award like this is going to be a fanboy award, if you want objectivity wait for the editorial awards to come along, there no point in bitching because more people didn't vote for Pedro.
I'm really wondering why people keep trashing EVE's PVE. The PVE part of the game is huge for most players. The massive standings system, the HUGE world. If you find the PVE boring it's because you never got into it. Theres your typical missions wich go from the easy breeze variety to the extremely difficult. Static dungeons, some of wich are impossible for anything but a very large mass of people, the Belt raiding, Specialist missions. And in the new expansion you have exploration. What more do you want for a decent PVE experience? Sitting in the same spot for 70 hours trying to get your "Enter fantacy race here" to level 90? I'm really wondering. Because I'm confused. I thought PVE was player vs environment, not camp the same spot for 3 weeks getting a small amount of xp per kill.
To those who think EVE isn't a casual. You are seriously wrong. I would like to point out that, you never have to log in but to change skill training. You can play as little or as much as you want without falling far behind. Heck you could spend your first 3 months becomming a frigate master before even leaving the training sector.
To be at the top of the game it takes time. But if you get bored with blasting the hell out of everything in sight you arent stuck creating an alt. Just do what you want. It's the only game where it is (in theory) possible to master everything. Might take a few years yes, but in my experience, whenever someones hit the level cap in a MMO all they di is sit around and pvp or chat, possibly make an alt. But who wants an end? kinda defeats the point eh?
The thing I like most about EVE is that some 12 year old kid cant log in and play all day and be better skillwise that a player (like myself) who has a job and can only lay a few hours a week. You have to play the game for awhile to get good PvE, LV4 missions and stuff will kill you. (and there is no revival or retireval of your stuff if you die) Thats also whats better about EVE PvE, if you die, your shit is not coming back.
I agree with pretty much all nominations except Eve in PvE. Eve got my vote for best graphics, but PvE is not its strongest side. In fact, its the weakest. And allowing people to create an account and vote then disappear for a year is like allowing foreign citizens to vote in your country's government elections. There should be restrictions put in place, for example, no account younger then 1 month before the vote is allowed to vote, accounts that dont have an average 5-10 votes per month (or 20-30 logins per month) are allowed to vote. These restrictions will encourage people to participate in discussions or at least visit MMORPG.COM more often and at the same time, filtering out unwanted spam-votes.
All in all this system is OK, but needs to be improved in the future. I hope MMORPG.COM will listen to the community as it did before.
I find it sad how many people seem to think that because they don't like something, nobody could possibly like it. A lot of you are whining and moaning about how you don't think eve should win but i would like you to consider this:
*This vote is a democracy, the whole point is to find out what the majority of the community thinks
*If eve wins then it's because more people voted for it, if your game doesn't win then perhaps you could get some of your friends to vote for it.
*Complaining about the fact that loads of Eve players are voting is ridiculous, they play MMOs, this is a vote for people who play MMOs, are you seeing the connection here? No Perhaps i should spell it out for you. THEY HAVE A RIGHT TO VOTE, THE FACT THAT THEY WON LAST YEAR JUST PROVES THAT MORE PEOPLE ARE WILLING TO TAKE TIME OUT OF THEIR LIVES TO VOTE FOR IT!
Originally posted by grub5000 I find it sad how many people seem to think that because they don't like something, nobody could possibly like it. A lot of you are whining and moaning about how you don't think eve should win but i would like you to consider this:
*This vote is a democracy, the whole point is to find out what the majority of the community thinks
*If eve wins then it's because more people voted for it, if your game doesn't win then perhaps you could get some of your friends to vote for it.
*Complaining about the fact that loads of Eve players are voting is ridiculous, they play MMOs, this is a vote for people who play MMOs, are you seeing the connection here? No Perhaps i should spell it out for you. THEY HAVE A RIGHT TO VOTE, THE FACT THAT THEY WON LAST YEAR JUST PROVES THAT MORE PEOPLE ARE WILLING TO TAKE TIME OUT OF THEIR LIVES TO VOTE FOR IT!
Well your post makes sense if its applied to everyone equaly. But I think what others were trying to say is if the voting is taken unfairly, then results can be very distoreted. What do I mean voting taken unfairly? Well, I find Eve's community to be a very strong and loyal one. So when there was a post on official Eve forum regarding voting here, a lot of people went to vote. With other games weaker communities, this wouldnt have as much of an effect, so there wouldnt be a lot of WoW lovers rushing to create an account here and voting for WoW and then forgetting about MMORPG.COM account. Its like asking an opinion about USA from Siria citizens... Im guessing 80%+ would say they hate USA.
Eve has an OK PvE, not too strong and not too weak. PvE was not the most important thing. PvP, player made economy and perhaps few other things is what Eve is famous for and is great at.
I love mmorpg.com a lot. I agree often with so many of your editorials and reviews. I like how you seem to be unbiased but you lost me on these awards this year. They will mean nothing to me. Eve and WoW the only choices for best game and other awards. Give me a break! I think your reader review lists speak to were WoW sits and that is not at the top. EQ2 has gone up in ratings this year because SOE has done a great job improving this game. Yet EQ2 is not in the running for best pve or game. Just because WoW has a large customer base does not mean it is the best game. Same holds true for Eve but I at least understand why Eve is listed.
There is more to mmorpgs then WoW and for that matter Eve.Both are fine games but I think you sold many other games short. Have fun with your awards this year I will not even care what the results are. The winners will not be the best, they maybe the most popular but far from the best. Don't follow the lead of movies Academy Awards. Let us pick the true winners for their merit not what is the most popular. I will vote again next year if you actually give me a few choices. Sorry to the staff at mmorpg I love you all but you dropped the ball on this one.
If your stance is these are the games the voter picked then add 4 or 5 choices to the final voting not just 2. One way you can fix this is call the awards like best game "The most popular game" not best game. I would think the readers choices would closely match your viewer rating top 10 list. However, I am not to bright but at least I am good looking.
Gee, if you guys want only the votes of the top 30% forum posters you maybe should call it "MMORPG.COMs elite forum warrior awards 2006" or something like that... Are you guys serious if you say that "the votes would be more objecitve if only me and my buddys could vote"? Sorry for sounding harsh but honestly! A vote is _never_ ever_ objctive, no matter how you twist and turn it. Even the "Editors choice awards" are subjective, all kind of votes are. If you dont belive me, please name the exact measurment you applied to weight the pros and cons of EVEs PvE and PvP against WoW.
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People complaining about EVE in the PvE category, and not too many complaining about WoW in PvP? A i missing something.. WoW's PvP is god awful, GOD AWFUL, yes wow should be in pve category, no eve shouldnt, but the lack of people complaining about wow being under pvp GREATLY offends me. WoW's pvp is so boring and pointless and stupid. EVE deserves to be in the pve category just as much and even more so then wow in pvp. where the hell is lineage 2 and daoc, shit eq1 had better pvp..
just bitching im done for now
Playing: EVE
and you better care
I can end-game WoW in a month, and hit the 'level cap' in that time as well.
Hitting the 'level cap' in EVE will take something like 28 years, if no new skills are added in the next 28 years, and there is no 'end game'.
I can level and grind in WoW while looking at a different screen. I can do it in EVE as well, but in EVE, I have the problem of a war target or pirate coming along and wasting my ass.
Yes, there's alot of EVE players at this site. It says alot about EVE and WoW when there are more people here from a 150k playerbase, than a 7million playerbase. It says alot of things, such as EVE having a bigger impact on its players and vice versa. If even 1% of WoW's playerbase spent 30 seconds coming here between their complex grinds for purples, you'd have WoW winning everything, everytime.
However, to paraphrase a racist:
WOW FANS DON'T CARE ABOUT MMORPG.COM AWARDS.
And spare me the garbage about having to pay so much attention to WoW compared to EVE, and if you try to argue WoW PvP vs EVE PvP you've already lost. It's not hard to play WoW or EVE and multitask.
So, how many voted for anything EVE just to spite WoW or visa versa?
Seriously, what's sad is these "rewards" often end up on other gaming sites, as some kinda of great feat that the MMORPG community at large, looks the most forward to X, or thinks Y has best graphics, or Z has best story.. ect. Because bottom line is they mean jack all when the options to vote is so limited that it's either EVE or WoW.
Plus the "rallying" various companies goes through to artificially inflate the polls is ridiculous.
If it's little more then a popularity contest, then why bother? With the pollls and "rewards".
If EVE was made in Asia you wouldn't say that.
The votes were made by the people who visit this site. People vote for their game, it's that simple....and justice for all.
In my opinion EQ2 is currently the best MMORPG on the market.
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Hi, I've lurked on here from time to time, but all this Eve hate has drawn me to post.
Why you ask is Eve in the pve catagory, and why would someone vote for it over say *shudders* Wow?
First let me clarify how I define pve. Pve is what you do to progress in a game that does not involve combat with another player. This include procurement of in game wealth, gaining 'experience points," gaining status, even personal amusment.
Quite simply Wow pve is a time sink. It's amusing to look at, as much in that game, but utterly pointless and lacking in depth. Like the rest of wow, it's a grind. At most (yes I've played it, gotten a couple of characters up into the high 40's before giving up in disgust) there is a "gee that's kinda neat" factor the first time though, and then it's just blah.
Eve on the other hand, offers an amazing depth of pve. It's not much eyecandy, though taking the first ship from your new production yard for a spin, or watching your bank reports add up those green lines from another sucessful business play is personally satisifying. One can salvage, trade, mine, research, produce, invest, steal, explore, mission run, social engineer, and empire build off the top of my head. All for pve, and all can be done solo or with others as you enjoy. Furthermore the pve is effected by the game community, so it is not static. Prices, values, and rewards all fluctuate to the realistic economic model that fuels everything in that universe.
So there you have it, why I voted for Eve for best PVE. If you don't agree that's fine, go vote against it. Sadly Wow is a poor competitor imo.
By the way, what is Wow even doing in the pvp catagory? Battlegrounds are a silly minigame, real pvp in Wow (using the term loosely) died when the nixed attacking the towns.
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Its pure and simple.... nothing as far as any MMO out there has anything original with their PVE other then their company named NPC's. Eve is the most original out of all the mmos currently offered, Ive personally taught players who some would call Know-it-all's and they Still didnt know much about EVE and what it had to offer.... the game has an endless learning curve with endless possibilities in any catagory u place it. Where as any MMO that has been offered before its even launched, already has a huge portion of the game and u wont see too much more for content other then the odd story, mabey a cool looking movie...or a new charcter that you would have to RE-level. but nothing like what the EVE universe has expanded into... and nothing to even touch the endless possibilities that the Developers could add to the game and are currently working on. Where some are thinking about releasing a sequal to their MMO eve continues to be more diverse.
PVE in eve would take the average user a month to learn so that they could be comforatble with anything... where as a 6yr old kid could pick up WOW and start plaing it decently... As far as WoW touching every kid at heart and having a bigger market range for its demographic, is the only reason its a player... because as far as game content and innovation goes... they are lacking, they have been doing the same thing for years before. All they added was a Warcraft theme to the charcters. Nothing they offered is new nothing they are going to offer is new and they are running dry of content...
as far as PVE in detail about eve... ull never touch the amount of ship types, race type, faction type, moduals, space. there is just too many variables not to come up against something new if u are looking for it. and if u are looking foward to grinding out the same ships again and again its there for u to do aswell. complete freedom to do any MMO activity there is including ones exclusive to EVE and scales only to which EVE knows.
Ive played almost any decent looking MMO, and ive stuck with eve for 2 years without regret while trying to find something better... other then the apperance of the upcomming STO, nothing compares... and anything else gets boring in a month.
*Looks like voters weren't voting with objectivity like they should have on some of those. Readers choice rewards suck, because the readers can't be trusted to give an unbiased vote.
"Voting with objectivity"? "Unbiased choice". Every vote is a judgement call, which means that it is subjective. That is true for graphics, playing experience, everything. There is no such thing as objectivity in votes, or reader's choice rewards or indeed in any review by professional reviewers. And nor should there be. There would be no point to votes if the result could be determined by only applying a set of objective criteria.
My main issue with this type of choice is that I (and quite a few others, I guess) know only one game well enough. So I really can't compare EVE with WoW for the simple reason that I have never played WoW (unlike quite a few others, I guess :-)
This is always going to be a bit of a farce because of the sheer numbers who have played each game and who are voting. WoW has a hefty number who have played WoW, and EvE Online has a hefty number of people who have been voting for it. So I think it was an inevitably really, just a bit surprised Guild Wars did not feature more.
As nearly no one has played the majority of MMOGs out there so he could judge based on his own experience, the other categories seem pointless to me.
I voted EVE PVE as number one for the simple fact that I've played both EVE and WoW in PVE "mode"
EVE has lots of PVE, be it at belts whilst mining or getting that sec status up. Could be Lo-sec ratting or could be missions, from lvl1 to high end lvl4 or top end complex hunts.
Sure sometimes its a grind and with missions at least its very samey.
The difference between all that and the WoW PVE... bar the actual setting of the PVE its essentialy the same thing.
Now the reason I voted for EVE. It asks which PVE I enjoyed the most. Out of both games, both of them involving very repetative grinding at times, both of them failing to offer much of a challenge on most occasions, I enjoyed the EVE PVE most.
You think I should vote for WoW just because I voted EVE for PVP, GFX etc? Why? I voted truthfully given the choices I had and far from mindlessly.
Graphics: EVE still gives me tingles. Probably are some better, but not that were nominated.
PvP: EVE really is the best there.
PvE: [abstained]
Story: EVE- I love the sci-fi, and the weekly short stories and chronicles really are of exceptional standards (Abraxas really is a genious).
Most Anticipated: Pirates of the Burning Seas. What can I say, I love the whole nautical age-of-sail thing.
New Game: [trash can]. What can I say, the only one half deserving is Guildwars, and I barely ount that as a new game.
Overall: EVE.
My only guess as to why EVE has the PvE vote is that most people don't consider crafting, minining, trading etc PvP because they don't involve blasting other players but EvE does have an extermely intricate economy.
In the past year I have played at the very least, and in many cases actually bought the following MMO's:
Dark Age of Camelot, EQ2, SWG, Matrix Online, City of Heroes/Villains, RF Online, DDO, FFXI, WoW, and Eve
The only MMO's I'm playing right now are WoW and Eve. The rest of those might have some aspect to them that is kinda neat, but by and large they all suck donkey sack. Neither Eve nor WoW are perfect, they both have gaping flaws. I would personally like to see the Eve devs actually fix something on that game without breaking 5 other things, but at least they listen to their fans, and they fix most stuff which is more than I can say for any SOE game.
You want objectivity? After playing all those games, I'm quite sorry but WoW and Eve would be my top 2 choices in most of those categories, not to say that either is the epitome of what I want in an MMO but they truely are the best options out there based on my experiences with all those other games. The MMO genre as a whole sucks, they all have the same base gameplay elements put together with different coats of paint. Go here, kill this, loot that, equip loot, pwn noobs, rinse and repeat. Oh... yes crafting! Collect items, click the mouse a few times (and for fun in EQ2 you get to time your clicks to the right ability at the right time). I like eve for the community, and of all those games it's probably the most different, which is why i can go from WoW to eve pretty seamlessly because they are different enough that when I've had enough of one for the day i can pop over to the other.
With people bitching about the PvE nominations, the way I see it is this, WoW is great from 1-60 and then it's time to get in a raiding guild, set up a schedule like it's a part time job, and do the same damn dungeons over and over again and hope your next epic lewts drop from this boss and hope there aren't many others in the raid who need it too or raid more than you so they have priority. For eve the whole experience is kinda, well blah, but at least you can choose what pve you want to do, and you always have to watch your arse lest someone come blow you up to take all your stuff. It doesn't hold up to WoW 1-60, but it sure beats the crap out of WoW endgame repetitive raiding time.
Anyways, I could go on, but my point is that I think some of you guys are just trying to be rebels about the whole thing, or maybe you're sore that people came here from links on other sites just to vote for their favorite game, and it makes your vote mean less somehow. any award like this is going to be a fanboy award, if you want objectivity wait for the editorial awards to come along, there no point in bitching because more people didn't vote for Pedro.
To those who think EVE isn't a casual. You are seriously wrong. I would like to point out that, you never have to log in but to change skill training. You can play as little or as much as you want without falling far behind. Heck you could spend your first 3 months becomming a frigate master before even leaving the training sector.
To be at the top of the game it takes time. But if you get bored with blasting the hell out of everything in sight you arent stuck creating an alt. Just do what you want. It's the only game where it is (in theory) possible to master everything. Might take a few years yes, but in my experience, whenever someones hit the level cap in a MMO all they di is sit around and pvp or chat, possibly make an alt. But who wants an end? kinda defeats the point eh?
Hell why don't we have DAoC in the awards, they got as many players.
Use common sense mmorpg.com staff. If Hello Kitty Adventure Island was nominated by the majority would you have that also? Come on.
http://www.greycouncil.org/
got my vote for best graphics, but PvE is not its strongest side. In
fact, its the weakest. And allowing people to create an account and
vote then disappear for a year is like allowing foreign citizens to
vote in your country's government elections. There should be
restrictions put in place, for example, no account younger then 1 month
before the vote is allowed to vote, accounts that dont have an average
5-10 votes per month (or 20-30 logins per month) are allowed to vote.
These restrictions will encourage people to participate in discussions
or at least visit MMORPG.COM more often and at the same time, filtering
out unwanted spam-votes.
All in all this system is OK, but needs to be improved in the future. I
hope MMORPG.COM will listen to the community as it did before.
Thank you.
I am the type of player where I like to do everything and anything from time to time.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holodomor - pre-WW2 genocide.
but i think pve is the same.
you get a questgiver/agent. saying that something is holstile, or needed to be transported from a-b.
and you go out and kill.. whats the deference?
like something, nobody could possibly like it. A lot of you are whining
and moaning about how you don't think eve should win but i would like
you to consider this:
*This vote is a democracy, the whole point is to find out what the majority of the community thinks
*If eve wins then it's because more people voted for it, if your game
doesn't win then perhaps you could get some of your friends to vote for
it.
*Complaining about the fact that loads of Eve players are
voting is ridiculous, they play MMOs, this is a vote for people who
play MMOs, are you seeing the connection here? No Perhaps i should
spell it out for you. THEY HAVE A RIGHT TO VOTE, THE FACT THAT THEY WON
LAST YEAR JUST PROVES THAT MORE PEOPLE ARE WILLING TO TAKE TIME OUT OF
THEIR LIVES TO VOTE FOR IT!
makes sense if its applied to everyone equaly. But I think what others
were trying to say is if the voting is taken unfairly, then results can
be very distoreted. What do I mean voting taken unfairly? Well, I find
Eve's community to be a very strong and loyal one. So when there was a
post on official Eve forum regarding voting here, a lot of people went
to vote. With other games weaker communities, this wouldnt have as much
of an effect, so there wouldnt be a lot of WoW lovers rushing to create
an account here and voting for WoW and then forgetting about MMORPG.COM
account. Its like asking an opinion about USA from Siria
citizens... Im guessing 80%+ would say they hate USA.
Eve has an OK PvE, not too strong and not too weak. PvE was not the
most important thing. PvP, player made economy and perhaps few other
things is what Eve is famous for and is great at.
I am the type of player where I like to do everything and anything from time to time.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holodomor - pre-WW2 genocide.
I love mmorpg.com a lot. I agree often with so many of your editorials and reviews. I like how you seem to be unbiased but you lost me on these awards this year. They will mean nothing to me. Eve and WoW the only choices for best game and other awards. Give me a break! I think your reader review lists speak to were WoW sits and that is not at the top. EQ2 has gone up in ratings this year because SOE has done a great job improving this game. Yet EQ2 is not in the running for best pve or game. Just because WoW has a large customer base does not mean it is the best game. Same holds true for Eve but I at least understand why Eve is listed.
There is more to mmorpgs then WoW and for that matter Eve.Both are fine games but I think you sold many other games short. Have fun with your awards this year I will not even care what the results are. The winners will not be the best, they maybe the most popular but far from the best. Don't follow the lead of movies Academy Awards. Let us pick the true winners for their merit not what is the most popular. I will vote again next year if you actually give me a few choices. Sorry to the staff at mmorpg I love you all but you dropped the ball on this one.
If your stance is these are the games the voter picked then add 4 or 5 choices to the final voting not just 2. One way you can fix this is call the awards like best game "The most popular game" not best game. I would think the readers choices would closely match your viewer rating top 10 list. However, I am not to bright but at least I am good looking.
Are you guys serious if you say that "the votes would be more objecitve if only me and my buddys could vote"?
Sorry for sounding harsh but honestly! A vote is _never_ ever_ objctive, no matter how you twist and turn it. Even the "Editors choice awards" are subjective, all kind of votes are.
If you dont belive me, please name the exact measurment you applied to weight the pros and cons of EVEs PvE and PvP against WoW.