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You know the polls are screwwed when WoW gets nonimations for best PvP [satire]

LordSlaterLordSlater Member Posts: 2,087
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I think the topic pretty much sums it up. I think the choices were EVE and WoW? Not to say EvE should win but certainly it's in a whole other class than Wow. I think anyone who's really played WoW in addition to other mmo's would be hard pressed to disagree that WoW PVP ranks among the worst ever.  bring on the fanbois... image

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  • SnaKeySnaKey Member Posts: 3,386

    Ppl keep talking about PVP in WoW. But I have yet to see it.

    Proof or it didn't happen.

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  • timunkytimunky Member Posts: 1

    Seeing as WoW controls a disproportionately large amount of the playerbase, I think what's happening here is a lot of people who haven't played EVE are voting for WoW.

    That being said, WoW's PvP could be better. I seem to think it was pretty solid.

  • SpathotanSpathotan Member Posts: 3,928
    The PvP in WoW is decent, but pointless.

    World PvP is non-existant, Battlegrounds are just full of twink's farming Honor for rank and items, and theyve changed the honor system like 3 or 4 times now, a hint that they will never get it right. Shit, the patch the other day changed the honor system and they stole some ideas from SWG's faction system, a SURE sign that it dosent work.

    Game would be alot better and draw a more decent crowd if they just ditched PvP completely.



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  • LordSlaterLordSlater Member Posts: 2,087


    Originally posted by Spathotan
    The PvP in WoW is decent, but pointless.

    World PvP is non-existant, Battlegrounds are just full of twink's farming Honor for rank and items, and theyve changed the honor system like 3 or 4 times now, a hint that they will never get it right. Shit, the patch the other day changed the honor system and they stole some ideas from SWG's faction system, a SURE sign that it dosent work.

    Game would be alot better and draw a more decent crowd if they just ditched PvP completely.



    EXACTLY and thats why i quit WoW and stayed with eve.

     

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  • LobenLoben Member CommonPosts: 206
    I do agree PvP in WoW is not that good. However, I will say the classes are very balanced and the combat flows pretty well. If the pvp were not restricted primarily to battlegrounds and arenas, it would be really fun. For example, if you had meaningful world pvp objectives or possibly some type of conquest Daoc style. So really, as Spathotan said, it just lacks a point. Also the raid gear vs. casual gear imbalance takes a lot of the fun out of it for both sides.

    Having said that, it's much less of a stretch for WoW to win a PvP award than it is for Eve to win a PvE award. :) Although I do think there are better pvp games than WoW (or Eve). Many people who play WoW do enjoy the pvp. It would be hard to say the same about Eve's pve. That and you don't see Blizzard trying to fabricate an award for themselves on this website (with rabid fans attacking anyone who questions it).



  • GamerV17GamerV17 Member Posts: 11
    The poll shows the overall opinion.  Therefore, if more people play one game then that game should win.


  • Unknown
    There should just be a trash can option for every catagory.
  • fawdownfawdown Member UncommonPosts: 186
    I played WoW for beta, and twice after for about a month or so and was not very impressed overall.  It got stale way too fast.  The pvp is unimpressive.  I am not a pvp fan in general but in comparision, the system on the pvp equipped servers of EQ2 far exceeds WoW.  There is much more of a role playing aspect to it and it doesn't make it so trivial.  Developers should realize there is more to just attacking player controlled toons.  Go to a first person shooter and do it for free.  There has to be something more to it.

  • Unknown
    I think wow's pvp content blows.  However, the actually pvp gameplay is IMO the best available.  It is real time and interactive, not just click and wait like Eve (queue system).  So yes, there's lots of things that would make wow's pvp system a lot better (more capturable towns/land for example), but there's not one game out there that even comes close to the dynamics of actually engaging in wow pvp battles.  I don't like wow, and I think it's a terrible MMO.  However, as a GAME, wow is a true success story.  I may not like it, but I'm not so closed minded as to not recognize the areas wow excels in.
  • LordSlaterLordSlater Member Posts: 2,087


    Originally posted by zaxxon23
    I think wow's pvp content blows.  However, the actually pvp gameplay is IMO the best available.  It is real time and interactive, not just click and wait like Eve (queue system).  So yes, there's lots of things that would make wow's pvp system a lot better (more capturable towns/land for example), but there's not one game out there that even comes close to the dynamics of actually engaging in wow pvp battles.  I don't like wow, and I think it's a terrible MMO.  However, as a GAME, wow is a true success story.  I may not like it, but I'm not so closed minded as to not recognize the areas wow excels in.


    Actually WoW combat is click and que its just well hidden like it is in EQ2.

     

    And eve is definatly not turn based any more than WoW isant.

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  • tirallumtirallum Member UncommonPosts: 205

    As other people said previously, the PvP in WoW is very nice in the way you control your character and play along with a group of people. The "jumping" effect, some people call it.

    The problem is just that it has no purpose. You kill for the sake of farming points, just like you could play a game of quake3 or UT. Even worse than that, since there are no tournaments. This has not much depth, considering it's a rol playing game. Just like you farm and instance over and over and over, just to get to the next bigger one and realize it's farming over and over again.

    Other games, with much more annoying and unfunctional gameplay happen to have a more interesting PvP! Clan wars with XP loss, conquer territories, castles or solar systems to be able to tax the NPC shops and gather resources, make alliances... some people like it because it makes the game change continously.

  • NierroNierro Member UncommonPosts: 1,755
    Originally posted by GamerV17
    The poll shows the overall opinion.  Therefore, if more people play one game then that game should win.
    I don't even think most of the people who voted for WoW have ever played any mmorpg but WoW. So yes, it is overall oppinion but WoW has a rediculously high player base so it isn't all that fair in the long run.


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  • RollinDutchRollinDutch Member Posts: 550
    Originally posted by Loben
    Having said that, it's much less of a stretch for WoW to win a PvP award than it is for Eve to win a PvE award. :) Although I do think there are better pvp games than WoW (or Eve). Many people who play WoW do enjoy the pvp. It would be hard to say the same about Eve's pve. That and you don't see Blizzard trying to fabricate an award for themselves on this website (with rabid fans attacking anyone who questions it).
    EVE's PvE is terrible. It exists only as a backdrop to the PvP.

    There is no better game on the market for PvP, and you'd be hard-pressed to find one with worse PvE.

    Given the choice between good PvP+bad PvE and good PvE+bad/no PvP, i'll take the PvP thank you. If I wanted PvE, I'd play something offline.


  • TheutusTheutus Member UncommonPosts: 636
    I agree
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    Originally posted by nethaniah
    There should just be a trash can option for every catagory.

    I meant to qoute this in my last post...
  • GameloadingGameloading Member UncommonPosts: 14,182
    Originally posted by LordSlater
    I think the topic pretty much sums it up. I think the choices were EVE and WoW? Not to say EvE should win but certainly it's in a whole other class than Wow. I think anyone who's really played WoW in addition to other mmo's would be hard pressed to disagree that WoW PVP ranks among the worst ever.  bring on the fanbois... image
    I played WoW + lots of other MMORPG's and I count WoW among the best PVP.  The only real problem WoW's pvp has is the lack of rewards. The battlegrounds are quite well done, and because of the moving combat, it takes actually more skill then it takes at many other PVP games. for example, Lineage 2's PVP SYSTEM is better, with all the clan politics and all, but the actual PVP combat could use improvement, and is completely based on equipment.


  • QuebecQuebec Member Posts: 42

    Cant say WoW pvp is bad... lets be honest here, it isnt. Its very fluid, classes are pretty well balanced, battlegrounds are rather well done.. but its nowhere near excelent. WoW's main focus is pve, always has been always will be.

    Comparing WoW's PvP to GW's is like comparing apples with oranges imho. Gw has a very complex pvp system that require tons more coordination, teamwork and skill to excel at. Its much more competitive and its the main focus of GW.

    WoW's PVP is rather simple, its kinda fun, but there is no depth to it. Once youve done the 3 bgs a couple times it gets boring VERY fast and turns into a grindfest to get the "l33t" weapons. Not to mention that Gear > skill in wow.

    In guildwars, there isnt any real reward for wining in pvp (mostly talking bout GvG when speaking bout GW's pvp) beside your position on the ladder. People do it because of the sheer fun they get from it. You win because of great teamwork, strategy and personal skill, not because youve got tier 2-3 epics and that the other team has UBRS blues.
    Everyone is on the same playing field, no leet armors and shiny purple sword of pwnage, just strategy, teamwork and skill.

    Anyways, /rant off
    I agree that EVE's pvp is really great its in a class of its own atm imo but just think its a shame GW isnt even considered for best pvp while WoW is. Then again its pretty biaised considering how many ppl are playing wow and dont even know about any other games out there.




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  • GameloadingGameloading Member UncommonPosts: 14,182
    Am I just imagining things...or was this topic much longer before? O.o (I just woke up..)


  • SnaKeySnaKey Member Posts: 3,386

    double.

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  • LordSlaterLordSlater Member Posts: 2,087

    OMG MY BEUTIFULL 280 POST THREAD.

     

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  • aranhaaranha Member UncommonPosts: 171
    WoW's pvp doesnt deserve to get nominated at all.. Its crap if u look at all the other mmorpg's that has pvp. But well if u have such a huge player base like wow ur bound to end up being nominated.. Even tho eve has like 1/3215 of the players WoW has, It still wins.. Think about that ;)
  • GameloadingGameloading Member UncommonPosts: 14,182


    Originally posted by aranha
    WoW's pvp doesnt deserve to get nominated at all.. Its crap if u look at all the other mmorpg's that has pvp. But well if u have such a huge player base like wow ur bound to end up being nominated.. Even tho eve has like 1/3215 of the players WoW has, It still wins.. Think about that ;)

    or just check the eve-online.com main website ;)
  • HerodesHerodes Member UncommonPosts: 1,494

    We just have different tastes.

    As I wrote somewhere before, i prefer a meaningful rewarding system (DAoC-like).
    Some ppl like a meaningful penalizing system (EVE-like).

    The third option would be a meaningless/pointless system...

  • MunkiMunki Member CommonPosts: 2,128
    gg server!
    it owned all our arguements.




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