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ManInTheBox
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Many times i'll pop in on the eve(or other) forums and see some clueless noob declare to the world how horrid eve is. this post is to give you all a heads up so you know what to expect and hopefully have a few less noobs run out of eve on fire with a few missles chasing them out the door
If you want to read up on all the ships and depth and gameplay ect ect ect go read a review(most are very outdated) or the eve website.
I'm going to start this all off by saving some of you alot of trouble with this first section.
If you are used to and ejoy the whole lvuplolz grind that is wow/eq/swg and aren't open to something new this is not the game for you.
---:Explanation:---
There are two things that will define your character. sp(skill points) and isk(money). one without the other isn't going to do you a whole lot of good and you have to use both to your best advantage or you aren't going to get very far. skills have to be purchased but once you have them on your skill list they will march towards completion once set even if you are offline. isk can only be earned by your activities in game and go towards everything in eve that isn't a skill.
If you dont have alot of time you will end up being able to pilot that spiffy battle ship but be a long ways out from being able to buy/equip one because you haven't had enough in game time to gather the funds. likewise if you for some reason dont pay alot of attention to your skills you could afford said ship but not be able to fly it for a while. Even worse is the mistake i made my first time through when i raced to always be in the largest ship possible only to discover i was weeks/months away from being able to use the guns for it lol.
I see this as a dual xp system (isk/sp) and it works out very well for the few hours a day guy as well as the 24/7 hardcore.
It would take atleast 3 years to master every skill in eve but you can be affective in pvp in as little as a week if you aren't a moron(since kali you end up with many more starting skills so this takes even less time).
If you are about as bright as a pile of mud this is not the game for you.
---:Explanation:---
Eve doesn't spoon feed you anything(unless it's a face full of doom). If you are immature or detest very deep and complicated things you should avoid eve like the black death. if you think chess is something on the front of your body that is coverd with hair this is not the game for you.
It has a short turtorial that will tell you "how to play" but being able to move your ship and fire hits only the smallest tip of a universe sized iceberg that is eve.
It's easy to pick up but there is alot to wrap your head around and if you can't cut it eve will eat you quicker than a shadow priest can melt a face.
If you detest pvp with all your might this is the best and worst game for you.
---:Explanation:---
Eve is very pvp focused(as i'm sure you've heard) so how could it be the best for less pvp oriented people? because people that aren't in an mmo for the pvp are there for 1 of 2 Things
:Trade/Crafting:
The entire world swirls around a player driven economy. There are people that run corps with hundreds of members that spend all their days making ships and weapons and many other things that hardly leave high sec and do very well. others spend their days plotting out trade routes and making billions trucking around the universe.
:npc hunting/nice stuff:
There are missions and npcs all over space. some players spend all their days hunting these and building the ultimate "pwnmobile" to show off to their friends and I must admit these people tend to inspire awe when they pass. Instead of showing off some stupid elf dancing around with a flaming sword, you float your moon sized ship coverd in very nasty looking guns around and go vaporize a fleet of npc ships.
:To sum this section up:
Eve is the deepest most interesting and most complicated game i have ever played but if you can't cut it you will run away screaming.
This game is not friendly. There are no flowers. It does not leave room for stupidity. If 2 months into the game you are still in the noob corp and have no idea what an afterburner is consider yourself pwnt by eve and go gank some noobs in wow untill you feel better.
:Graphics:
It's pretty out there in space
Some of the ships look a little wonky imho but in general it's breathtaking.
Gameplay
Very deep with many layers of stratagy. It would take me a very long time to go into detail so i'll just say "it's deep but easy to get the hang of" and leave it at that.
PvP
Mmmmm. you havent really played eve untill you give this a try. i left eve for about a year but i always just ran missions or traded or something. only recently have i started my life of true combat and truely become hooked. this is dumbing it down a bit but below are the general ways to enter pvp
:Corp ops:(all size ships are usefull in eve doesn't take long to be able to jump into this)
Your corp has figured out just how much money there is to be made in low/no sec space but in eve great reward always comes with great risk. your role will be to defend your mining corp members or convoys. some days very little will happen. some days you will be under constant attack from pirates. some days you might of stepped on an allainces toes and have to fight them for space. some days you might end up in a random battle with 30 ships per side.
:Corp wars:(see above)
This happens(in it's most productive manner) when one corp/allaince wants to set up shop in a system that is already occupied. this usually ends in huge fleet battles with mercs hired on both sides fighting it out untill one of them runs out of ships/isk and folds. blockades and many other crafty tactics are often used and this is when you are reminded that nothing is against the rules in eve
:Mercs:(can start right away but alot of corps wont hire you untill you have proven yourself)
Hired guns. you never know what type of contract will come your way. could be corp war. could be general protection, could be anti pirate work. whatever it is you and your corp have to be ready for it. your reputation sets your rates.
:Bounty Hunters:(no noobs pls
)Hunt down the pirates on the most wanted list. last time i looked one guy was wanted for 4 trillion isk. you wont be doing this as a new player
:Pirates:(Can be done pretty quick but not a good idea)
There are many drawbacks to this. first everyone wants you dead. second the more people you kill in .1-.4 space the lower your sec status become and the farther out you have to stay. Third you lose alot of ships
That said there are a few ways to pirate.
1.Gatecamp- this is generally look upon as lame by real pirates(and everyone else) but it brings in the most cash and has the lowest risk. with the advent of kali this is harder to do but it can still be done
2.Ore messing- this method a well armed pirate will take some guys ore in high sec untill he gets tired of it and fires off a few shots. another method is to lay down your own can next to theirs to get them tagged. this like the above is generally looked upon as lame.
3.Belt hunting- this is where real piracy starts.
1st. you use the map to locate a logical low sec spot where people should be
2nd. you head to that area and look in local. a good many of the people will be docked or at a safe spot but if there are enough in local a few of them are bound to be out there.
3rd. Jump to a planet near an astroid system and scan untill you narrow it down to a single belt
4th. curse as he randomly jumps off and comes back in a nearby belt 10 mins later.
5th. find him again and jump in. if you end up in range launch your attack.
6th. gtfo. this is the most important part. stow anything good you got at the station and jump out to a safe spot and wait a few to see if the rest of his corp is jumping in to pound you.
While you can jump right into piracy it's a bad idea in general untill you have some funds to back you up. While it can be done solo the more people you have with you the bigger the ship you can take. Nothing like hunting people though
This is the only mmo i've ever played that gives me the same "rush" that i get from first person shooters and it's what keeps me here more than anything else
So to sum this all up
:pvp- godlike
:pve- more depth than anything else out there
:Eats dumb people like candy kids eat pills
:Mainly 18+ population
:Run by people in iceland and has the best dev team i've ever been around.
:Not like any mmo you've played before
:World is player run
:Not for everyone
Cheers and hope to see you around someday
Links:
http://www.eve-online.com/
Eve homepage. all the info you could ever want and the forums where all the players hang out.
http://digg.com/gaming_news/Biggest_scam_in_EVE_Online_and_maybe_all_MMO_history
Just how much freedom you have in eve
http://www.mmorpg.com/gamelist.cfm/thread/103654
Battle Story
http://www.mmorpg.com/gamelist.cfm/post/1087606/thread/104681#1087606
Small ships owning larger ones and fleet battles
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Most things i see people whine about as a "problem" isn't one for someone that knows how to use basic functions in eve. below are a few of them
"Vets wtf pwn noobs i cant pvp wha wha"
i've seen 20 people in noob frigs with starting skills take out a battleship...i've made a new character to streamline skills and will be back in piracy in my frig in 4 days(pre kali). in a well fitted frig i can take out a good many cruisers. after kali goes live you could do this out of the box. make a friend or two to bring along and you got yourself a crew of mayham
"I can never find anyone?!111! it's all empties!1"
...use the map...
"frigs are worthless i'm just cannon fodder WHAAA11!!"
if i can take out a cruiser in a frig alone after 5 days and you can't it's not the game that's the problem
"Teh skill system suxorz!!1"
....good leave us to our fun and go grind a character to 60 somewhere. or better yet figure out how things work
"I can't train two TOONS tm at once oh noesss!"
you can't grind two characters at once on the same account either.. want some cheese with that?
"I can't hunt rats in 0.0!111"
/cry
"Gate camps ftl!!1"
indeed but they are easy to get by if you know what you are doing
"All the ships are to slow!11"
an ab,mwd or nanos will speed you up or you could hit ctrl+alt+f4
"The combat takes no skill!11"
thinking this might explain why you die so much?
"Some @#$% guy blew me up and podded me for no reason!11"
In this case let me be the first to say welcome to Eve !&*@# ; *grins*. there will always be a bigger fish but that bigger fish will be slow and clunky. stop sitting in his mouth
*edit*
Har i forgot to mention the two most important rules of Eve.
1. never fly what you can't afford to lose
2. trust no one.
Comments
what a great and well-needed post
Overall, while your post may have been started by a positive intention it is full of snobish and elitist point of views. The quoted part above is a prime example. Pulling off such a feat requires a lot of circumstances in the favour of the frig pilot. So no, a player does NOT have a problem if he/she is unable to kill a cruiser with a 5 days old character in a frig. Another indicator of your snobish attitude is your overuse of the word "noob".
You forgot one of the most important ones. Reputation. Also it''s not the SPs that define a character - if at all it's the way you made use of your SPs, not the amount. Besides, if you think ISK defines a character.... *sighs*
One of the few things I fully agree with. Bigger is not necessarily better in EVE.
I fail to see a difference there. Actually I never liked the kind of player playing a game only to be able to show off. The "Mine is longer" stuff.
Yet there are people over a year in an NPC corp, who enjoy the game, and they definitely were not "pwnt" by EVE.
Plain wrong. EVE's PVE is definitely not among the best. The backstory has huge gaps, storylines are left decaying, and agent missions couldn't be more artificial and repetetive.
Two very fine, fun, and mature people in the small corp I am in are below 18. So, again, I fail to see your point.
I start to get an allergy against this sentence.
Overall, as I said, you may have had good intentions with your post, but next time please refrain from statements in the likes of "If u cant do this you are stupid".
I hope you meant this in a sarcastic tone.
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Originally posted by Mandolin
Designers need to move away from the old D&D level-based model which was never designed for player vs player combat in the first place.
just 4 u
"Pulling off such a feat requires a lot of circumstances in the favour of the frig pilot."
yah circumstances like not attacking a drone ship..
"So no, a player does NOT have a problem if he/she is unable to kill a cruiser with a 5 days old character in a frig."
Nope but if he's sitting there in the same ship at the same age telling me you can't pvp in a frig i tend to mention things like the above...
"another indicator of your snobish attitude is your overuse of the word "noob"."
After about the 500th time you see the same complaints that aren't that hard to figure out you get a tad tired of it. which as i said is one of the reasons for this post in the first place.
"You forgot one of the most important ones. Reputation. Also it''s not the SPs that define a character - if at all it's the way you made use of your SPs, not the amount. Besides, if you think ISK defines a character.... *sighs*"
if you have sp towards mining and not towards combat i would say that defines you a bit due to the path you have taken. and i mention reputation farther down in the post
"One of the few things I fully agree with. Bigger is not necessarily better in EVE."
werd g
"I fail to see a difference there. Actually I never liked the kind of player playing a game only to be able to show off. The "Mine is longer" stuff.
Neither do i(unless i just took his stuff) but had you taken time to pay attention to what i was talking about you would notice i was listing the ways people get their jollies aside from pvp and that we have those in eve. e peen ftl.
"Yet there are people over a year in an NPC corp, who enjoy the game, and they definitely were not "pwnt" by EVE."
I stay in noob corps for long periods of time myself as i'm a bit of a lone wolf but once again you missed the main point. i've seen many times people in noob corps with no idea what an afterburner is blasting eve to high heavens while he quits because it's to hard/it's empty/ships move to slow/*insert waa here*. if they left the noob corp and fitted an ab problem solved. i just used that as an example because i see it all the time. actually it's what that whole edit part was about but looks like you missed it
"Plain wrong. EVE's PVE is definitely not among the best. The backstory has huge gaps, storylines are left decaying, and agent missions couldn't be more artificial and repetetive."
If all you do is run the missions yah it's dull..if you go find a trade route to make 14mill in a run towing a load from low sec and back or go rat with a few friends in low sec this is no longer the case.
"Two very fine, fun, and mature people in the small corp I am in are below 18. So, again, I fail to see your point."
Thus why i said mainly...also trying to read that makes my mind hurt. i think what you are trying to say is two out of all the people in your corp are under 18? corse it may just be the gansta rap in the background.
in reply to you personally learn some reading and comprehension skills. and from the sounds of things you missed most of what i was saying in this thread...
:prime example:
"Plain wrong. EVE's PVE is definitely not among the best. The backstory has huge gaps, storylines are left decaying, and agent missions couldn't be more artificial and repetetive."
If all you do is drudge along doing the few artificial things they put in as a foundation for the true heart of the game you will hate eve. player vs player is not the same thing as player interaction which is where eve really shines..funny as i seem to remember saying that i learned this myself at the start of the post.
*edit*
sorry for any odd spelling i have decided it is indeed the gangsta rap in the background that's confusing me XD
*bust out dancing*
*edit*
r.i.p. biggie
*edit*
I went hunting on youtube and found a few links to new players in frigs owning cruisers and fleet pvp and such. Might be worth a look to those interested.
I apologise for Azi, he likes to bite both eve supporters and haters equally... It's just Azi...
"Just because there are other colours to use in chat does not mean you have to use them..." - Please follow
You stated EVE's PVE to be very deep.
And that statement is not true, no matter how you view it. Why does a trade run to low sec give you an adrenaline rush? Why do mission runners in low sec and 0.0 have to watch their backs all the time? Why is it dangerous to run a complex or belt rat in low sec or 0.0? Not because of the NPCs, but because of the player pirates and/or alliance members that infest that area. So it's not EVE's PVE side that creates suspension, but the PVP side.
Ergo, your statement that EVE's PVE has "more depth than anything else out there" is not true as it stands.
Want another statement that is not true?
4 billion, maybe, 4 trillion I heavily doubt, since 4 trillion (10^12*4 or 4000 Billion) would be the price tag for over 10 Titans.
Also a few of your statements about piracy are not entirely correct
Additionally your "5 day I kill a cruiser" example is also a bit out of context. Were you alone? Did you do it after playing EVE for 5 days total, or was it with a 5 day old character made later? Was the cruiser pilot afk, lagged out, incompetent?, etc, etc. Even on a killmail the circumstances that distort a fight to ones favour (like eg lag) are not viewable. So your succes in this matter can't be held as a universal rule applicable for everyone playing EVE. Thatwas my point.
I hate Rap
Also your weak attempt to "attack" my reading skills only reinforces your snobish and arrogant posture, aside from the fact that statements like yours don't really improve your argumentation. Actually they rather make you look like you have nothing meaningful to say.
No matter if you are tired of "noobs" asking and complaining, this "guide" sounds more like a complaint about said "whiners" than an actual guide. It does contain information helpful to new players, but there are overall far better guides, especially in regard of communicating with the reader. Statements in the likes of "go back to WoW" or "if you don't get it, you are stupid" have no reason to be in a guide to EVE
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Originally posted by Mandolin
Designers need to move away from the old D&D level-based model which was never designed for player vs player combat in the first place.
I don't judge people after their attitude to the game, but by what they say and how they say it. I can live with an EVE hater who formulates his distain well and logically way better than an EVE lover who says "all idiots to go play WOW, and no longer infest EVE" (and no, this was NOT directed at the OP.
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Originally posted by Mandolin
Designers need to move away from the old D&D level-based model which was never designed for player vs player combat in the first place.
no lame excuses cursing new players because they did this or that, its your problem you curse and hate it, i got no problem with this for pov but you dont see the other end of the stick. you are telling people to play this game witch links, too serious.
people dont need to spoon fed a pile of crap coming from someone elses mouth if they want to play this game. so some people agree with you, there on the same boat, but there are many players out there who dont care, players who want to have fun without some serious player telling them this or that.
now ive played eve once 30 trial about 1 year back and i have to say its a great game, very good graphics, good sense of immersion and its interesting wondering around see what system has to offer. but i dont say you go here and thier and do this or that and i get to call you a n00b in a insulting way.
as for the other end of the stick, there are people who just want to play for fun and find out thier limits and expections without beating around the bush or loose thier footing, i found it interesting the whole way what the game has to offer for that month and without being told, i was suprised at what you could do.
imho it sounds like serious player posting spam just to get some attention, convinced or otherwise
that said. play it however well or poorly you like but don't litter sites where people come to find out about games with hate flames because you can't figure out how to use a jump gate after a month
In game if someone ask a question i do my best to respond to it promptly no matter what i happen to be doing at the time(usually getting shot at) and the entire population responds this way as well. even without visiting the site forums within an hour every question you could come up with will be responded to by other players with no hate. what we hate is when people that wont even ask flame our little world to high heavens because they can't figure out what an afterburner is
but it is definitlely not the best. i have actually not meant
anyone in the game who said this before. and trade is not PVE
(still an awesome aspect of the game but not PVE). however the
rest of the game makes up for the PVE.
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Plain wrong. EVE's PVE is definitely not among the best. The backstory has huge gaps, storylines are left decaying, and agent missions couldn't be more artificial and repetetive.
Two very fine, fun, and mature people in the small corp I am in are below 18. So, again, I fail to see your point.
I start to get an allergy against this sentence.
Overall, as I said, you may have had good intentions with your post, but next time please refrain from statements in the likes of "If u cant do this you are stupid".
I hope you meant this in a sarcastic tone.
i didn't say any of those things except for the last one >_>
but yea i meant it, although somethings i'd disagree with, a post like this and the contraversy i was sure would ensue are DEFINATLY well-needed. These are the kinds of posts that help develop perspective subscribers about the game, good responses to him
that said. play it however well or poorly you like but don't litter sites where people come to find out about games with hate flames because you can't figure out how to use a jump gate after a month
In game if someone ask a question i do my best to respond to it promptly no matter what i happen to be doing at the time(usually getting shot at) and the entire population responds this way as well. even without visiting the site forums within an hour every question you could come up with will be responded to by other players with no hate. what we hate is when people that wont even ask flame our little world to high heavens because they can't figure out what an afterburner is
well if your considering eve people talk to this guy if you want to be insulted and called dumb. and that puts my point even further across, and you just ended it for me
*(Quote- What we hate is when people that wont even ask flame our little world to high heavens because they can't figure out what an afterburner is
then answer to the players who need help, it isnt that hard. is that what a normal trait for most high level players these days do(every game), you get what you need then bugger everyone else?)
its not a hate message again you have the wrong end of the stick, its a message that not all players want to be told to do this or that, never said it was directly pionted at you otherwise i would of been banned from these forums yeserday, im saying that people dont need to be insulted and told this or that just there is a high level player thinks hes hard. these games are here for spirit and respect there given, and to exploit that to make it a right... it cant happen. Like telling a normal man who loves music to turn into a mass murder within 2 minutes, and you continue this trait for several other people, its not possible. now what i put, i havent said anything that you do this or that. its up to you what you do, but hating someone because they need help, umm well again its up to you
"ts not a hate message again you have the wrong end of the stick, its a message that not all players want to be told to do this or that, never said it was directly pionted at you"
"this is of corse not aimed directly at you but at the populace in general."
"then answer to the players who need help, it isnt that hard. is that what a normal trait for most high level players these days do(every game), you get what you need then bugger everyone else?)"
"In game if someone ask a question i do my best to respond to it promptly no matter what i happen to be doing at the time(usually getting shot at) and the entire population responds this way as well. even without visiting the site forums within an hour every question you could come up with will be responded to by other players with no hate."
way to miss/ignore entire paragraphs. Reading comprehension ftw?
Also pure pve it's not the best. i'm so used to pve and "carebares" going together that i stick them together sometimes
*edit*
just to make it real real simple for you. it's not the people that ask for help that peeve me so. it's the ones that never do and then make flame threads about how the game suxxor!11one because they have no idea how to play. this will be the last time i repeat myself. i'd love to sit here all day and paste the parts of my post you skip over/ignore but i have people to kill
Ooops, sorry. Guess I made a mistake with the quotes.
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Originally posted by Mandolin
Designers need to move away from the old D&D level-based model which was never designed for player vs player combat in the first place.
*edit* Damn smilies dont work for me
I know many Corps who are not focused on PvP and are still enjoying themselves (well, they're part of Alliances which can protect them while they mine or so, but still, their members are not PvP oriented at all).