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Why did you steal RLMMO's logo?

RytzRytz Member Posts: 46
The new 'O' is way too similar to RLMMO.com .  (http://www.rlmmo.com/)

I'm pretty sure they were using it first.  This reminds me of SOE "stealing" game mechanics from other games.

Overall, I don't like the new theme.  Please go back to the old theme.



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  • skywisenightskywisenight Member UncommonPosts: 348
    The logo was mentioned earlier, and we have never seen it before.  Purely a coincidence.

    As far as the theme goes, shortly we will be offering user selectable themes, and one of them will include the colour palette and general look of the last site style.  Hang in there while we get it working right.



  • JelloB2000JelloB2000 Member CommonPosts: 1,848


    Originally posted by Rytz
    The new 'O' is way too similar to RLMMO.com . (http://www.rlmmo.com/)I'm pretty sure they were using it first. This reminds me of SOE "stealing" game mechanics from other games.
    Overall, I don't like the new theme. Please go back to the old theme.

    Game mechanics cant be copyrighted (but can be patented).

    The (mmorpg.com) logo of the letter "O" is different color AND shape (even the seperations are on different places), Rlmmo doesnt have the two seperations in "O" copyrighted so there is nothing but possibly similar.

  • suskesuske Member Posts: 714
    i cry shenannigans! bah. our internets are better anyway. they stay crunchy in milk!
  • UbermanUberman Member Posts: 340

    Originally posted by JelloB2000
    Originally posted by Rytz
    The new 'O' is way too similar to RLMMO.com . (http://www.rlmmo.com/)I'm pretty sure they were using it first. This reminds me of SOE "stealing" game mechanics from other games.
    Overall, I don't like the new theme. Please go back to the old theme.
    Game mechanics cant be copyrighted (but can be patented).

    The (mmorpg.com) logo of the letter "O" is different color AND shape (even the seperations are on different places), Rlmmo doesnt have the two seperations in "O" copyrighted so there is nothing but possibly similar.



    Yeah, thanks for clearing that up.   image


  • AnofalyeAnofalye Member, Newbie CommonPosts: 7,433

    Hehe, to me anyway the logo and the interface feel like the rulebook of Star Trek PnP.  Also like the interface for the Federation in many Star Trek games.

     

    RLMMO seems quite different, they cut the O in two and the comparaison stop there.  Star Trekcould try to get a free publicity ride in a way or another without hurting MMORPG.com, but the similitudes call for a free publicity boost!  I mean, anyone tell me this doesn't feel like Federation interface without blinking...I know you will all smile, blink, cought or whatever...this is like Star Trek: Federation.

     

    I will give the benefit of the doubt that the artist behind this didn't do it on purpose, but it is extremely obvious that his subsconcious was directed by the Federation.  image  I dunno how, but I will find a way to blame SoE for that, just gimme a moment...I am sure I can find a way to link that to Smed!  image

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  • premiereboripremierebori Member Posts: 249

    Originally posted by Uberman
    Originally posted by JelloB2000
    Originally posted by Rytz
    The new 'O' is way too similar to RLMMO.com . (http://www.rlmmo.com/)I'm pretty sure they were using it first. This reminds me of SOE "stealing" game mechanics from other games.
    Overall, I don't like the new theme. Please go back to the old theme.
    Game mechanics cant be copyrighted (but can be patented).

    The (mmorpg.com) logo of the letter "O" is different color AND shape (even the seperations are on different places), Rlmmo doesnt have the two seperations in "O" copyrighted so there is nothing but possibly similar.



    Yeah, thanks for clearing that up.   image

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  • RytzRytz Member Posts: 46

    Originally posted by skywisenight
    The logo was mentioned earlier, and we have never seen it before.  Purely a coincidence.

    As
    far as the theme goes, shortly we will be offering user selectable
    themes, and one of them will include the colour palette and general
    look of the last site style.  Hang in there while we get it
    working right.

    Thanks for the response.  Personally, the way you guys did the
    logo makes it look kiddish.  Plus that RLMMO deal sounds kinda
    shady to me.  I'm looking forward to being able to go back or
    change the theme.




    Originally posted by JelloB2000


    Originally posted by Rytz
    The new 'O' is way too similar to RLMMO.com . (http://www.rlmmo.com/)I'm pretty sure they were using it first. This reminds me of SOE "stealing" game mechanics from other games.
    Overall, I don't like the new theme. Please go back to the old theme.

    Game mechanics cant be copyrighted (but can be patented). The
    (mmorpg.com) logo of the letter "O" is different color AND shape (even
    the seperations are on different places), Rlmmo doesnt have the two
    seperations in "O" copyrighted so there is nothing but possibly similar.

    You put way too much thought into that dude.  I was obvioulsy being facetious with that SOE / game mechanics remark.


  • AdminAdmin Administrator RarePosts: 5,623

    Who? image

    Honestly, and no offense to the people running RLMMO - but we had never even heard of this site or seen their logo.  If we were to steal something (which we would not) I think we might set our sights a little higher. image

    Basically with the logo we needed something that was much more simplistic and had a break-out "mark" that could be used in design elements.  This is where the ( ) came in I guess.  The old logo was way too rendered and unless shown in full color and large size it was not recognizable - this poses a real problem with marketing our brand.

    I know change is hard...but we felt this was necessary to take our site to the next level.  The old design was mostly done by myself and I know little to nothing about HTML design...which is why the old site loaded slow (massive nested tables) and was a cross browser nightmare. image

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  • ZorvanZorvan Member CommonPosts: 8,912



    Originally posted by Admin

      If we were to steal something (which we would not) I think we might set our sights a little higher. image



    This pwnage was brought to you courtesy of Adminimage
  • arcana666arcana666 Member Posts: 52

    Besides both of them resembling a circular shape, the logos aren't even that similar at all.  RLMMO's looks like a moon somehow being double eclipsed while this logo looks nothing like it.  RLMMO's has a lot of gradient variation and heavy rendering while this one uses simple, strong colours.  I quite like it.

    <childishmode>
    I've been investigating this matter on the Internet and I've discovered rampant world-wide abuse of this particular shape

    I suggest you sue the OP for liable and get his pocket money.  When you get both quarters you may be shocked to learn that they are also circular and so you might want to sue the american government for stealing your idea. 
    </childishmode>

  • RytzRytz Member Posts: 46

    Originally posted by Admin
    Who? image Honestly, and no offense to the people running RLMMO - but we had never even heard of this site or seen their logo.  If we were to steal something (which we would not) I think we might set our sights a little higher. image Wow, ownage by the admin?  I can feel the heat radiating off of that one from here ;).

    Basically with the logo we needed something that was much more simplistic and had a break-out "mark" that could be used in design elements.  This is where the ( ) came in I guess.  The old logo was way too rendered and unless shown in full color and large size it was not recognizable - this poses a real problem with marketing our brand.Yeah the old logo wasn't the greatest and I would agree that it needed a face lift, but the new logo looks like something from Nintendo Power.  It was a good try though.  Maybe use the same concept but make it a little less "kiddy" looking.
    I know change is hard...but we felt this was necessary to take our site to the next level.  The old design was mostly done by myself and I know little to nothing about HTML design...which is why the old site loaded slow (massive nested tables) and was a cross browser nightmare. imageUnderstandable.  Good luck with finding a good design.  Try not to steal other logo designs in the future ;).


  • KenshuAniKenshuAni Member CommonPosts: 851



    Originally posted by Admin

    Who? image
    Honestly, and no offense to the people running RLMMO - but we had never even heard of this site or seen their logo.  If we were to steal something (which we would not) I think we might set our sights a little higher. image
    Basically with the logo we needed something that was much more simplistic and had a break-out "mark" that could be used in design elements.  This is where the ( ) came in I guess.  The old logo was way too rendered and unless shown in full color and large size it was not recognizable - this poses a real problem with marketing our brand.
    I know change is hard...but we felt this was necessary to take our site to the next level.  The old design was mostly done by myself and I know little to nothing about HTML design...which is why the old site loaded slow (massive nested tables) and was a cross browser nightmare. image



    For what its worth, I don't think you stole the logo.  I really do wish that you had added some other functions to this site.

    Some things I would love to see:

    1.  The ability to link specific posts easily.  The last time I tried, I had to go into the list of posts for the poster and use the link from there.  (Edit:  Interesting, I can't even do that now)

    2.  Skip to the 2nd, 3rd, or 10th page of a thread without having to enter the thread first.

    3.  Skip to the last post of the thread without having to enter the thread first.

    4.  Skip to the first unread post.  This is common function in many different forums.  Not having it here really shows how poorly these forums are set up.

    Until these items are met, I'll likely only come here when someone else links to your site.  Even then, I only bother showing up if the topic is something I find interesting.

    Edit:  Oh, by the way.  This is just my honest opinion and no offense is meant.  One of the reasons that I post at RLMMO is because they are aiming higher than you and have these features.

  • ShaydeShayde Member Posts: 4,529

    Originally posted by skywisenight
    The logo was mentioned earlier, and we have never seen it before.  Purely a coincidence.

    As far as the theme goes, shortly we will be offering user selectable themes, and one of them will include the colour palette and general look of the last site style.  Hang in there while we get it working right.

    I'd believe you if we weren't instructed by board moderators specifically to remove our links and sigs to the RLMMO.Com site. Each banner had the logo, and the site has been active for months.

    But hey.. maybe YOU didn't see it. I like the one in red anyway.


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  • KhuzarrzKhuzarrz Member Posts: 578

    Just got onto mmorpg.com for the first time in a long enough while (like a week or something :P) and saw the new theme. One comment regarding it:

    Fix it please.

    Seriously, you can't select bits in peoples posts, and every time I change page I get like 3 popup boxes saying something about there being an error in line 999; something like it isn't there :P and asking whether I wanna debug or continue. It's getting REALLY old, REALLY fast.

     

    EDIT: 400th post ^^

  • TillerTiller Member LegendaryPosts: 11,489

    what's up with the text color palette? It's broken............image

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  • Wildcat84Wildcat84 Member Posts: 2,304


    Originally posted by Admin
    Who? image
    Honestly, and no offense to the people running RLMMO - but we had never even heard of this site or seen their logo. If we were to steal something (which we would not) I think we might set our sights a little higher. image
    Basically with the logo we needed something that was much more simplistic and had a break-out "mark" that could be used in design elements. This is where the ( ) came in I guess. The old logo was way too rendered and unless shown in full color and large size it was not recognizable - this poses a real problem with marketing our brand.
    I know change is hard...but we felt this was necessary to take our site to the next level. The old design was mostly done by myself and I know little to nothing about HTML design...which is why the old site loaded slow (massive nested tables) and was a cross browser nightmare. image


    Oh, you know who we are alright. You only banned several of us for displaying our logo (which is of the same general style but looks much better than yours).

    One of you used "SOE logic" in temp banning me for posting a link to a commercial site for having a link to rlmmo in my post. The reply asking for a link to a single ad or service being sold went unreplied to.

    Anyway, your new moderation and editorial policy are about as attractive as your new site theme. I suggest a rollback to classic policies and themes.

  • AdminAdmin Administrator RarePosts: 5,623

    I just realized today after a staff member pointed it out to me.  RLMMO was registered in late Sept 2006 :

       Registrar: GO DADDY SOFTWARE, INC.
       Whois Server: whois.godaddy.com
       Referral URL: http://registrar.godaddy.com
       Name Server: NS1.SWBELL.NET
       Name Server: NS2.SWBELL.NET
       Status: clientRenewProhibited
       Status: clientTransferProhibited
       Status: clientUpdateProhibited
       Status: clientDeleteProhibited
       Updated Date: 26-sep-2006
       Creation Date: 26-sep-2006
       Expiration Date: 26-sep-2008

    Ok, now we have piles of proof that we have been using this logo since early 2006 (we had over 400 business cards printed with this logo for the 2006 E3 convention and I can have our printing company prove this).  This new logo of ours also appeared in 2 different WWII enthusiast magazines that were Oct issues (with early Sept printing deadlines) for some WWII Online promos we did with PlayNET.

    So now should we run around screaming that OUR logo was copied from our business cards?  image  (that is a joke of course because such a notion is just plain dumb)

     

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  • RytzRytz Member Posts: 46

    Originally posted by Wildcat84
    Originally posted by Admin
    Who? image
    Honestly,
    and no offense to the people running RLMMO - but we had never even
    heard of this site or seen their logo. If we were to steal something
    (which we would not) I think we might set our sights a little higher. image
    Basically
    with the logo we needed something that was much more simplistic and had
    a break-out "mark" that could be used in design elements. This is where
    the ( ) came in I guess. The old logo was way too rendered and unless
    shown in full color and large size it was not recognizable - this poses
    a real problem with marketing our brand.
    I know change is hard...but
    we felt this was necessary to take our site to the next level. The old
    design was mostly done by myself and I know little to nothing about
    HTML design...which is why the old site loaded slow (massive nested
    tables) and was a cross browser nightmare. image


    Oh,
    you know who we are alright. You only banned several of us for
    displaying our logo (which is of the same general style but looks much
    better than yours).

    One of you used "SOE logic" in temp banning
    me for posting a link to a commercial site for having a link to rlmmo
    in my post. The reply asking for a link to a single ad or service being
    sold went unreplied to.

    Anyway, your new moderation and editorial
    policy are about as attractive as your new site theme. I suggest a
    rollback to classic policies and themes.


    I
    sense a disturbance in the Force.  Sounds like some shady things
    are going on.  Kinda like the whole "splitting" of the SWG forums.



    And yes, there are some serious glitches with the color palette tool
    and just weird graphical glitches in general on the posting screen.


  • AnofalyeAnofalye Member, Newbie CommonPosts: 7,433

    Haha, it feel like it was intended by this RLMMO site since E3.  The cry wolf and all!

     

    LOL.

     

    You got better at "cry wolfing" (13)!

     

    However, I still hold my belief that MMORPG.com is now under the rulership of Captain Picard and that the USS Enterprise is about to beam us to California for interrogation!  Which of course would be truely evil since I won't have any paper to prove who I am and the US agency would prolly never listen to a word that I say and kick me on the other side of Mexico frontier, and from there I would have to find the Canadian ambassy, which in Mexico is open 2 hours per day; so I would be back home a little north of NYC in about 2 or 3 weeks; which would have been a plot to drop my Elite membership from the start!  image

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  • MeddleMeddle Administrator UncommonPosts: 758
    Sorry although it sounds like a hell of a lot of fun there will be no "beaming" of MMORPG.com members around the world... image

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  • AdminAdmin Administrator RarePosts: 5,623



    Originally posted by Anofalye

    However, I still hold my belief that MMORPG.com is now under the rulership of Captain Picard and that the USS Enterprise is about to beam us to California for interrogation!  Which of course would be truely evil since I won't have any paper to prove who I am and the US agency would prolly never listen to a word that I say and kick me on the other side of Mexico frontier, and from there I would have to find the Canadian ambassy, which in Mexico is open 2 hours per day; so I would be back home a little north of NYC in about 2 or 3 weeks; which would have been a plot to drop my Elite membership from the start!  image



    Now this I will confess is true.  Mr Picard and I are kicking back right now with a cold one planning all of your demises image

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  • MW2KMW2K Member UncommonPosts: 1,036

    At least you guys finally figured out what a favicon was...and more to the point, have acutally used one. ::::28::

  • AdminAdmin Administrator RarePosts: 5,623



    Originally posted by Ulujain

    At least you guys finally figured out what a favicon was...and more to the point, have acutally used one. ::::28::




    Yes, this is the advantage of not have ME as the web designer image

     

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  • MW2KMW2K Member UncommonPosts: 1,036


    Originally posted by Admin
    Originally posted by Ulujain
    At least you guys finally figured out what a favicon was...and more to the point, have acutally used one.
    Yes, this is the advantage of not have ME as the web designer image

    Maybe you should've been. Your knowledge of building with CFMX should give you ideas on logical structure over and above that of a pure designer.

  • gnarlsbarklygnarlsbarkly Member Posts: 28

    If you guys want to take this site to "the next level" you should stay away from this clunky / kiddy layout you have.  The old sight, while cluttered, at least had some sleekness to it.  The way the sight is now - 256 color pallette and 1995 graphics, seems like a step down and has a clumsy elephant size/style to it.

    The other templates you guys have planned hopefully are less Nick Jr. Hell, I'd even take some MTV template over this mess.

    Constructive criticism I hope, although I had to bash it some.

    pending

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