So, I played EVE on and off for well over 10mil SP between 4 chars over the past year.
Let me bold this to make it clear: IMO WoW's PvE > EVE's PvE and I voted as such. I think EVE is the better game when you compare it side by side but it's a little too niche and actually requires more thought than WoW thusly far fewer subscribers.
FTR, my WoW account of two years just ended on the 23rd so I know a good bit about WoW PvE as well.
But for reallys all, the ratings, the voting, the polls, the fanbois, the flamers, the trolls, etc DO NOT MAKE A DIFFERENCE! It's all people's opinions and people naturally defend their likes over their dislikes. MMORPG.com readers just happen to be weighted heavily towards the EVE Fanboi/WoW Hater side so the results of this whole thing are of 0 surprise to me.
The statement in the topic is not mine (well actually it is as well, but thats not the point). Its a statement that has been made by some of the most die hard EVE fans.
Thanks for reminding us that once again, you really hate EVE.
If WoW can run for best PVP than there is nothing wrong with EVE running for PVP.
But seeing as how you ignore that fact and only keep posting about EVE being in the running for PVE, I think your just a troll.
Go play one of those many Asian MMORPGs you keep saying will beat every game on the market, oh wait, they won't. All boring grind fests, I am surprised that you still defend that piece of crap known as RF online.
Go back your cave, troll.Actually My point was to point out how flawed these "awards" are. I'm not ignoring that fact, its merely my opinion that WoW's PVP isn't even HALF as bad as EVE's PVE You obviously havent read my first reply in this thread then . And way to go to switch the subject just to attack me, the only one who is trolling around here is you.
So please be quiet Mr.Troll, thank you.
Just to point out that since you started your trolling concerning eve its PvE content has VASTLY impoved.
Actually, I did read your first reply, but did it ever slipped in your mind that I might not agree with you?
Also I'm not trolling. Please learn what the word actually means before you use it.
So when did you last paly eve with a charecter with more than 1mil sp then.
Not 1 million SP, it became quite clear to me shortly after I tried the trial once more ( I take a new trial after every major expansion update by EVE. I like the concept of EVE, it is just not executed in the way I personally think is right). And it became quite clear to me that the things that I think make EVE's PVE weak are still there.
So basically you are saying you Fell EvE'S PvE content is crap even though you played for no more than a few days on a TRIAL charecter. Which BTW is deliberetly limeted so you cant access all the content anyway. Its a bit like saying a game like Everquest is crap because i couldnt access all its content within a few days on a trial account.
So basically your opinion on eve counts for very little then.
Unless, you want to claim that EVE's PVE combat is speed up, Puts you in more control of the ship during fights instead of just the tactical part,and actually makes grouping more interactive, then my opinion still stands.
It could very well be possible that EVE's PVE has improved, I wouldn't be surprised if it did. But are you sure you want to claim it now has the absolute BEST pve of EVERY MMORPG created?
If you find my opinion of EVE to be taken for very little is none of my bussiness, nor is it my concern.
I thought the game play was pretty interesting. I'm not big on PvP but I just considered enemy players as really smart and tricky mobs.... then the PvPers just become part of the environment; they actually spice it up quite a bit. I would perfer that they ease the death penalty a bit. Even with insurance and cloning, losing a ship can be a huge set-back in time & money.
What I really hated about EVE was the fact that I could only have one character training at a time. Of course in EVE you have to be training ALL the time. This made it impossible to do 2 different characters at the same time. It also made it impossible for my son to log on while I'm at work (or playing WOW etc. ) and progrerss his own character. If I could progress multiple chaacters I'd jump back in today.
Well, I played WoW and Eve and the PvE of Eve lacks a bit for sure.
The main problem of PvE in Eve is that the combat system isnt designed for real team combat vs. npcs. You cant revive, healing takes much more time, and multiple ships can kill another ship within seconds.
Otherwise I must say, the background of missions, their storylines is better than in WoW. Most WoW missions are kinda dull and not very interesting in terms of story. But then the whole combat system of WoW is made for PvE, so its just more fun to do PvE cause you have way more options and interaction in WoW PvE than you have in Eve.
Eve is a game designed around PvP, although the devs try hard to intergrate a fun PvE experience in it, but just doesnt work with the way Eve works.
WoW is a game designed around PvE, its PvE is more challanging and a better fun, cause it has more options and stuff. But this also makes WoW PvP complettly funless compared to Eves.
And before anyone says Im a WoW fanboy, My Eve account has 45mio SP with 43mio combat skills
Unless, you want to claim that EVE's PVE combat is speed up If by speed up yuo mean Freespace like movement then no of course not., Puts you in more control of the ship during fights instead of just the tactical part,and actually makes grouping more interactive Yea it ahs been amde more interactive as the Gang system has been through a recent overhaul with squad settings gang allerst likeyou press a button and anallert shows up saying something like " Ive found the enermy" there is also other refinements too like a system fore marking targets of prioraty for example., then my opinion still stands.
It could very well be possible that EVE's PVE has improved, I wouldn't be surprised if it did. But are you sure you want to claim it now has the absolute BEST pve of EVERY MMORPG created? I never claimed it was the best i jsut said it was better than before and was definatly better than what WoW has to it [in my opinion and the opinion of the amjoraty it seems].
If you find my opinion of EVE to be taken for very little is none of my bussiness, nor is it my concern.
I thought the game play was pretty interesting. I'm not big on PvP but I just considered enemy players as really smart and tricky mobs.... then the PvPers just become part of the environment; they actually spice it up quite a bit. I would perfer that they ease the death penalty a bit. Even with insurance and cloning, losing a ship can be a huge set-back in time & money. What I really hated about EVE was the fact that I could only have one character training at a time. Of course in EVE you have to be training ALL the time. This made it impossible to do 2 different characters at the same time. It also made it impossible for my son to log on while I'm at work (or playing WOW etc. ) and progrerss his own character. If I could progress multiple chaacters I'd jump back in today.
Ill just say that having multiple users on one account is not allowed by EvE's EULA.
My advise is to get a second account for your son.
As for your first paragraph i agree with you exept for the death penaltie bit im ahppy with that level of penltie it adds some spice to the game.
Anyways, the reason I believe EVE has the better PvE is that well, killing fairies and bean farmers is gay.
As to the fact that there are "only" pirates to kill... What about the rogue drones? What about the fact that there is at least 150 different types of pirates. I doubt any of you saying EVE's PvE is bad have even gone beyond the trial... WHERE THE FUN STARTS!!!
If all you can pilot is a frig, then your not going to have fun in PvE. Not to mention, EVE won the award because it is the only one that has a DIFFERENT PvE system. *I think* all the other games have those stupid spawns that always spawn the same thing over and over. You kill it, it comes back, repeat for the rest of eternity.
In EVE, you can do something called chaining, causing the same enemies to reappear. (In case you didn't get my point, YOU CONTROL THE SPAWN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!) When you decide not to chain (chaining is where you leave a single rat from the spawn so that the same group spawns back) a whole new set warps into the belt.
And when have you ever seen the Enemies actively searching players out???
I can pwn if I want to, I can leave my pants behind...
The statement in the topic is not mine (well actually it is as well, but thats not the point). Its a statement that has been made by some of the most die hard EVE fans.
Game, you still don't know a thing about MMORPGs. How long have you been playing the genre?
PvE does not JUST mean killing mystical rats. PvE includes professions, the economy, the market, character progression, and many other features. EVE pwnz WoW in PvE and PvP and I don't even like EVE. In fact, the only thing I like right now is Darkfall.
1) How can the EVE storyline NOT be the best around? The players MAKE the storyline. Alliances rise and crumble at the hands of the players. If you want the game to take you by the hand and force-feed you a pre-written storyline, go buy a book. The players in EVE control the story, and that makes for the best storyline in any game.
2) EVE pve is just as fun as other games. I know players who do nothing but run missions and they *love* it. Yes, there's a lack in personality that you might find in wow, but EVE does have a strong pve game with complexes and exploration.
The statement in the topic is not mine (well actually it is as well, but thats not the point). Its a statement that has been made by some of the most die hard EVE fans.
Game, you still don't know a thing about MMORPGs. How long have you been playing the genre?
PvE does not JUST mean killing mystical rats. PvE includes professions, the economy, the market, character progression, and many other features. EVE pwnz WoW in PvE and PvP and I don't even like EVE. In fact, the only thing I like right now is Darkfall.
"In this category, members were asked to consider which game provided them with their favorite monster hunting (NPC) experience in 2006."
The statement in the topic is not mine (well actually it is as well, but thats not the point). Its a statement that has been made by some of the most die hard EVE fans.
Game, you still don't know a thing about MMORPGs. How long have you been playing the genre?
PvE does not JUST mean killing mystical rats. PvE includes professions, the economy, the market, character progression, and many other features. EVE pwnz WoW in PvE and PvP and I don't even like EVE. In fact, the only thing I like right now is Darkfall. Eve pwnz Wow? Not really. There is MORE to PVE then just the things you mentioned, and one part in particular is important: ENVIROMENT. Take WoW for example. WoW has a rich & big world, is much more user friendly, has a much stronger grouping system and a stronger combat system when it comes to PVE. The classes in WoW are VERY well done, with each class having a totally diffrent playing style then the other. Character progression? in EVE, a person who started the game at a later date will NEVER EVER catch up to a higher level player
(Note to upcomming EVE fans who will respond to this: Yes, I know you can specialize, that does not take away the one who started first is still stronger in general)
WoW doesn't have that problem.
But that all aside, the award was for the best NPC hunting experience. So before you yell "OMGZ, Gameloading u kno nuthing of mmorpg's lololrofl!!111" maybe you should actually READ first hm?
I don't know a thing about MMORPG's? By the fact that you think EVE "pwnz" WoW in PVE, I'm willing to bet that I know more about the genre in general then you will ever do.
The statement in the topic is not mine (well actually it is as well, but thats not the point). Its a statement that has been made by some of the most die hard EVE fans.
Game, you still don't know a thing about MMORPGs. How long have you been playing the genre?
PvE does not JUST mean killing mystical rats. PvE includes professions, the economy, the market, character progression, and many other features. EVE pwnz WoW in PvE and PvP and I don't even like EVE. In fact, the only thing I like right now is Darkfall.Eve pwnz Wow? Not really. There is MORE to PVE then just the things you mentioned, and one part in particular is important: ENVIROMENT. Take WoW for example. WoW has a rich & big world, is much more user friendly, has a much stronger grouping system and a stronger combat system when it comes to PVE. The classes in WoW are VERY well done, with each class having a totally diffrent playing style then the other. Character progression? in EVE, a person who started the game at a later date will NEVER EVER catch up to a higher level player
(Note to upcomming EVE fans who will respond to this: Yes, I know you can specialize, that does not take away the one who started first is still stronger in general)
WoW doesn't have that problem.
But that all aside, the award was for the best NPC hunting experience. So before you yell "OMGZ, Gameloading u kno nuthing of mmorpg's lololrofl!!111" maybe you should actually READ first hm?
I don't know a thing about MMORPG's? By the fact that you think EVE "pwnz" WoW in PVE, I'm willing to bet that I know more about the genre in general then you will ever do.
/Agree Gameloading.
To the EVEangelists...
If you think your PvE needs work and improvement, then you'll just have to wait until 2008 to get it.
Why should they mess with it, after you all voted that there is nothing better than what you have now?
__________________________ "Its sad when people use religion to feel superior, its even worse to see people using a video game to do it." --Arcken
"...when it comes to pimping EVE I have little restraints." --Hellmar, CEO of CCP.
"It's like they took a gun, put it to their nugget sack and pulled the trigger over and over again, each time telling us how great it was that they were shooting themselves in the balls." --Exar_Kun on SWG's NGE
The statement in the topic is not mine (well actually it is as well, but thats not the point). Its a statement that has been made by some of the most die hard EVE fans.
Game, you still don't know a thing about MMORPGs. How long have you been playing the genre?
PvE does not JUST mean killing mystical rats. PvE includes professions, the economy, the market, character progression, and many other features. EVE pwnz WoW in PvE and PvP and I don't even like EVE. In fact, the only thing I like right now is Darkfall. Eve pwnz Wow? Not really. There is MORE to PVE then just the things you mentioned, and one part in particular is important: ENVIROMENT. Take WoW for example. WoW has a rich & big world, is much more user friendly, has a much stronger grouping system and a stronger combat system when it comes to PVE. The classes in WoW are VERY well done, with each class having a totally diffrent playing style then the other. Character progression? in EVE, a person who started the game at a later date will NEVER EVER catch up to a higher level player
(Note to upcomming EVE fans who will respond to this: Yes, I know you can specialize, that does not take away the one who started first is still stronger in general)
WoW doesn't have that problem.
But that all aside, the nomination was for the best NPC hunting experience.
I don't know a thing about MMORPG's? By the fact that you think EVE "pwnz" WoW in PVE, I'm willing to bet that I know more about the genre in general then you will ever do.
WoW has a rich and big world? Hah! 90% of the terrain is computer generated, fool. The classes in WoW are done very well? Are you trying to tell me that the classes in WoW are balanced as far as PvE goes? Now I know you aren't dumb enough to tell me that every class is even in PvP but the same goes with WoW's PvE. And what is this richness you speak of? You mean the differently colored / sized / leveled beasts that you find in almost EVERY zone? Or were you talking about the great storyline? The one where you collect wolf paws for Thrall?
Okay, let's talk about this "strong" grouping system. You mean the one that doesn't matter until level 60? The one where you can solo all the way up to 60 without even talking to another player? Ohh, you got me there. You must have been speaking of the end-game raiding! Yeah, I wish I could raid the same 3 instanced dungeons every week!
And how dare you try to tell me that you can never catch up to a veteran player in EVE. A monkey could tank the bosses in Naxx if he had the gear. The only way to progress in WoW is by getting new items, the levels come by fighting the same damn critters over and over. EVE got rid of that grind by implementing real-time skill training, which has obviously worked out for them. The so called HUGE population in WoW is made up of Chinese players, with about 1 million of them being American players who quit after their second month. The PvE in WoW must be amazing since we all know the PvP sucks! .../not
T2? Oh wait! You can't even grind for those BPOs. You have to suck up to the Devs on the boards for them to give you one.
__________________________ "Its sad when people use religion to feel superior, its even worse to see people using a video game to do it." --Arcken
"...when it comes to pimping EVE I have little restraints." --Hellmar, CEO of CCP.
"It's like they took a gun, put it to their nugget sack and pulled the trigger over and over again, each time telling us how great it was that they were shooting themselves in the balls." --Exar_Kun on SWG's NGE
The statement in the topic is not mine (well actually it is as well, but thats not the point). Its a statement that has been made by some of the most die hard EVE fans.
Game, you still don't know a thing about MMORPGs. How long have you been playing the genre?
PvE does not JUST mean killing mystical rats. PvE includes professions, the economy, the market, character progression, and many other features. EVE pwnz WoW in PvE and PvP and I don't even like EVE. In fact, the only thing I like right now is Darkfall. Eve pwnz Wow? Not really. There is MORE to PVE then just the things you mentioned, and one part in particular is important: ENVIROMENT. Take WoW for example. WoW has a rich & big world, is much more user friendly, has a much stronger grouping system and a stronger combat system when it comes to PVE. The classes in WoW are VERY well done, with each class having a totally diffrent playing style then the other. Character progression? in EVE, a person who started the game at a later date will NEVER EVER catch up to a higher level player
(Note to upcomming EVE fans who will respond to this: Yes, I know you can specialize, that does not take away the one who started first is still stronger in general)
WoW doesn't have that problem.
But that all aside, the nomination was for the best NPC hunting experience.
I don't know a thing about MMORPG's? By the fact that you think EVE "pwnz" WoW in PVE, I'm willing to bet that I know more about the genre in general then you will ever do.
WoW has a rich and big world? Hah! 90% of the terrain is computer generated, fool. The classes in WoW are done very well? Are you trying to tell me that the classes in WoW are balanced as far as PvE goes? Now I know you aren't dumb enough to tell me that every class is even in PvP but the same goes with WoW's PvE. And what is this richness you speak of? You mean the differently colored / sized / leveled beasts that you find in almost EVERY zone? Or were you talking about the great storyline? The one where you collect wolf paws for Thrall?
Okay, let's talk about this "strong" grouping system. You mean the one that doesn't matter until level 60? The one where you can solo all the way up to 60 without even talking to another player? Ohh, you got me there. You must have been speaking of the end-game raiding! Yeah, I wish I could raid the same 3 instanced dungeons every week!
And how dare you try to tell me that you can never catch up to a veteran player in EVE. A monkey could tank the bosses in Naxx if he had the gear. The only way to progress in WoW is by getting new items, the levels come by fighting the same damn critters over and over. EVE got rid of that grind by implementing real-time skill training, which has obviously worked out for them. The so called HUGE population in WoW is made up of Chinese players, with about 1 million of them being American players who quit after their second month. That storyline must be amazing! I am once again blown away by your significant knowledge of the mmorpg genre...right.
90% of the terrain is computer generated? I'm sure your more then happy to back that up with facts? World of Warcraft has one of the most detailed worlds when it comes to MMORPG gaming. I seriously doubt the terrain is computer generated.
And Actually, I am willing to claim that every class is very well balanced in PVP. it is not perfectly balanced (because developers are humans too), But yes, I am willing to claim that WoW's classes are very balanced when it comes to PVP. The PVE system is not fully balanced ( I wrote a long post about it in my blog, if your intrested in that), But I think Blizzard did a decent job on the class system, both in terms of diffrence & balance.
Diffrently colored/sized/leveled beast spread among diffrent levels are very commong, I was actually speaking about the world in general. It is actually very detailed, has plenty of "smaller dungeons" , and bigger instanced dungeons.
If I would be refering to the storyline of Warcraft, I would point out to the books & previous games about Warcraft.
Moving on, the fact you want to solo is your choice, you can do that if you want. But I'm talking about the grouping system in general. the dungeons that are made for groups are well done, Grouping is nicely balanced, and just about any class can group with any diffrent class and still do nicely. Again, its Imo not perfect, but its well done.
How "dare" I tell you that you can never catch up to a veteran EVE player..? Uhm..you DID play the game, didn't you? A veteran will ALWAYS have more skills then one who started at a later time, because the skill system is based on real time, not on actual time spend ingame playing.
Also, are chinese players any less then american players? Not to mention you didn't get your facts right. Blizzard never reported any decrease in the american part of the population (in fact, its only been increasing).
How "dare" I tell you that you can never catch up to a veteran EVE player..? Uhm..you DID play the game, didn't you? A veteran will ALWAYS have more skills then one who started at a later time, because the skill system is based on real time, not on actual time spend ingame playing.
Skill POINTS. Not SKILLS.
Skill POINTS are irrelevant after a few months. SKILLS are never irrelevant, nor do veterans have a significant advantage in them.
Your problem is that you think skill POINTS correspond to levels in other games. Higher level = better. More skill POINTS does not make you more effective at the game. Its a common misconception with people who lack SKILLS and blame it on skill POINTS. That does not make skill POINTS in any way relevant compared to SKILLS.
Unless, you want to claim that EVE's PVE combat is speed up, Puts you in more control of the ship during fights instead of just the tactical part,and actually makes grouping more interactive, then my opinion still stands.
It could very well be possible that EVE's PVE has improved, I wouldn't be surprised if it did. But are you sure you want to claim it now has the absolute BEST pve of EVERY MMORPG created?
If you find my opinion of EVE to be taken for very little is none of my bussiness, nor is it my concern. Tell you what Gameloading, next time you take an EVE trial let me know, I'll bring you along to do a level 4 mission with me and maybe that will give you an idea of how different it is from the noobie missions.
As far as combat being more interactive, I'll just repeat what I said to someone on the EVE boards. EVE is a combat game between CAPITAL SHIPS. Have you ever seen two Boeng 747's dogfighting? No? How about a couple of B-52 Bombers? No not them either? So then why would you expect to be dogfighting in ships 10X the size of them. Think naval warfare, not WW2 fighterplanes.
And to be honest I don't think that EVE deserves the best PVE award, but WoW certainly doesn't either, EQ2's PVE is far better than both combined.
I for one have never understood the hype of Eve Online. I tried the game and found it to be a total bore. For this game to totally sweep the awards totally baffes my mind. It must be as someone said in an earlier post "Eve Fanboys" of the game must keep the hype for this game up and led to the bias winning of most categories for the MMORPG awards. I am a bit disappointed in the results, but have become accustom to the bias opinions of this game on this website.
Now for the "Eve Fanboys" to bash me for my opinion. But everyone is entitled to their own opinion and this is mine.
How "dare" I tell you that you can never catch up to a veteran EVE player..? Uhm..you DID play the game, didn't you? A veteran will ALWAYS have more skills then one who started at a later time, because the skill system is based on real time, not on actual time spend ingame playing.
Skill POINTS. Not SKILLS.
Skill POINTS are irrelevant after a few months. SKILLS are never irrelevant, nor do veterans have a significant advantage in them.
Your problem is that you think skill POINTS correspond to levels in other games. Higher level = better. More skill POINTS does not make you more effective at the game. Its a common misconception with people who lack SKILLS and blame it on skill POINTS. That does not make skill POINTS in any way relevant compared to SKILLS. You understand my point, and you know just as well as I do that one who plays longer will always be stronger then one who plays less, no matter how much time is put into the game, because of the skill system.
Oh, EVE most certainly didn't deserve the PvE award, but this isn't exactly a Reader's Digest poll - this is a crappy poll on a shitfest of a site inhabited by idiots.
In other news, 4 out of 5 dentists agree that you're way too obsessive about EVE.
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So, I played EVE on and off for well over 10mil SP between 4 chars over the past year.
Let me bold this to make it clear: IMO WoW's PvE > EVE's PvE and I voted as such. I think EVE is the better game when you compare it side by side but it's a little too niche and actually requires more thought than WoW thusly far fewer subscribers.
FTR, my WoW account of two years just ended on the 23rd so I know a good bit about WoW PvE as well.
But for reallys all, the ratings, the voting, the polls, the fanbois, the flamers, the trolls, etc DO NOT MAKE A DIFFERENCE! It's all people's opinions and people naturally defend their likes over their dislikes. MMORPG.com readers just happen to be weighted heavily towards the EVE Fanboi/WoW Hater side so the results of this whole thing are of 0 surprise to me.
Now, what about those tea and biscuits?
If WoW can run for best PVP than there is nothing wrong with EVE running for PVP.
But seeing as how you ignore that fact and only keep posting about EVE being in the running for PVE, I think your just a troll.
Go play one of those many Asian MMORPGs you keep saying will beat every game on the market, oh wait, they won't. All boring grind fests, I am surprised that you still defend that piece of crap known as RF online.
Go back your cave, troll.Actually My point was to point out how flawed these "awards" are. I'm not ignoring that fact, its merely my opinion that WoW's PVP isn't even HALF as bad as EVE's PVE You obviously havent read my first reply in this thread then . And way to go to switch the subject just to attack me, the only one who is trolling around here is you.
So please be quiet Mr.Troll, thank you.
Just to point out that since you started your trolling concerning eve its PvE content has VASTLY impoved.
Actually, I did read your first reply, but did it ever slipped in your mind that I might not agree with you?Also I'm not trolling. Please learn what the word actually means before you use it.
So when did you last paly eve with a charecter with more than 1mil sp then.
Not 1 million SP, it became quite clear to me shortly after I tried the trial once more ( I take a new trial after every major expansion update by EVE. I like the concept of EVE, it is just not executed in the way I personally think is right). And it became quite clear to me that the things that I think make EVE's PVE weak are still there.So basically you are saying you Fell EvE'S PvE content is crap even though you played for no more than a few days on a TRIAL charecter. Which BTW is deliberetly limeted so you cant access all the content anyway. Its a bit like saying a game like Everquest is crap because i couldnt access all its content within a few days on a trial account.
So basically your opinion on eve counts for very little then.
Unless, you want to claim that EVE's PVE combat is speed up, Puts you in more control of the ship during fights instead of just the tactical part,and actually makes grouping more interactive, then my opinion still stands.It could very well be possible that EVE's PVE has improved, I wouldn't be surprised if it did. But are you sure you want to claim it now has the absolute BEST pve of EVERY MMORPG created?
If you find my opinion of EVE to be taken for very little is none of my bussiness, nor is it my concern.
/poke
I thought the game play was pretty interesting. I'm not big on PvP but I just considered enemy players as really smart and tricky mobs.... then the PvPers just become part of the environment; they actually spice it up quite a bit. I would perfer that they ease the death penalty a bit. Even with insurance and cloning, losing a ship can be a huge set-back in time & money.
What I really hated about EVE was the fact that I could only have one character training at a time. Of course in EVE you have to be training ALL the time. This made it impossible to do 2 different characters at the same time. It also made it impossible for my son to log on while I'm at work (or playing WOW etc. ) and progrerss his own character. If I could progress multiple chaacters I'd jump back in today.
The main problem of PvE in Eve is that the combat system isnt designed for real team combat vs. npcs. You cant revive, healing takes much more time, and multiple ships can kill another ship within seconds.
Otherwise I must say, the background of missions, their storylines is better than in WoW. Most WoW missions are kinda dull and not very interesting in terms of story. But then the whole combat system of WoW is made for PvE, so its just more fun to do PvE cause you have way more options and interaction in WoW PvE than you have in Eve.
Eve is a game designed around PvP, although the devs try hard to intergrate a fun PvE experience in it, but just doesnt work with the way Eve works.
WoW is a game designed around PvE, its PvE is more challanging and a better fun, cause it has more options and stuff. But this also makes WoW PvP complettly funless compared to Eves.
And before anyone says Im a WoW fanboy, My Eve account has 45mio SP with 43mio combat skills
Ill just say that having multiple users on one account is not allowed by EvE's EULA.
My advise is to get a second account for your son.
As for your first paragraph i agree with you exept for the death penaltie bit im ahppy with that level of penltie it adds some spice to the game.
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As to the fact that there are "only" pirates to kill... What about the rogue drones? What about the fact that there is at least 150 different types of pirates. I doubt any of you saying EVE's PvE is bad have even gone beyond the trial... WHERE THE FUN STARTS!!!
If all you can pilot is a frig, then your not going to have fun in PvE. Not to mention, EVE won the award because it is the only one that has a DIFFERENT PvE system. *I think* all the other games have those stupid spawns that always spawn the same thing over and over. You kill it, it comes back, repeat for the rest of eternity.
In EVE, you can do something called chaining, causing the same enemies to reappear. (In case you didn't get my point, YOU CONTROL THE SPAWN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!) When you decide not to chain (chaining is where you leave a single rat from the spawn so that the same group spawns back) a whole new set warps into the belt.
And when have you ever seen the Enemies actively searching players out???
I can pwn if I want to, I can leave my pants behind...
PvE does not JUST mean killing mystical rats. PvE includes professions, the economy, the market, character progression, and many other features. EVE pwnz WoW in PvE and PvP and I don't even like EVE. In fact, the only thing I like right now is Darkfall.
Two comments:
1) How can the EVE storyline NOT be the best around? The players MAKE the storyline. Alliances rise and crumble at the hands of the players. If you want the game to take you by the hand and force-feed you a pre-written storyline, go buy a book. The players in EVE control the story, and that makes for the best storyline in any game.
2) EVE pve is just as fun as other games. I know players who do nothing but run missions and they *love* it. Yes, there's a lack in personality that you might find in wow, but EVE does have a strong pve game with complexes and exploration.
PvE does not JUST mean killing mystical rats. PvE includes professions, the economy, the market, character progression, and many other features. EVE pwnz WoW in PvE and PvP and I don't even like EVE. In fact, the only thing I like right now is Darkfall.
"In this category, members were asked to consider which game provided them with their favorite monster hunting (NPC) experience in 2006."
PvE does not JUST mean killing mystical rats. PvE includes professions, the economy, the market, character progression, and many other features. EVE pwnz WoW in PvE and PvP and I don't even like EVE. In fact, the only thing I like right now is Darkfall. Eve pwnz Wow? Not really. There is MORE to PVE then just the things you mentioned, and one part in particular is important: ENVIROMENT. Take WoW for example. WoW has a rich & big world, is much more user friendly, has a much stronger grouping system and a stronger combat system when it comes to PVE. The classes in WoW are VERY well done, with each class having a totally diffrent playing style then the other. Character progression? in EVE, a person who started the game at a later date will NEVER EVER catch up to a higher level player
(Note to upcomming EVE fans who will respond to this: Yes, I know you can specialize, that does not take away the one who started first is still stronger in general)
WoW doesn't have that problem.
But that all aside, the award was for the best NPC hunting experience. So before you yell "OMGZ, Gameloading u kno nuthing of mmorpg's lololrofl!!111" maybe you should actually READ first hm?
I don't know a thing about MMORPG's? By the fact that you think EVE "pwnz" WoW in PVE, I'm willing to bet that I know more about the genre in general then you will ever do.
PvE does not JUST mean killing mystical rats. PvE includes professions, the economy, the market, character progression, and many other features. EVE pwnz WoW in PvE and PvP and I don't even like EVE. In fact, the only thing I like right now is Darkfall.Eve pwnz Wow? Not really. There is MORE to PVE then just the things you mentioned, and one part in particular is important: ENVIROMENT. Take WoW for example. WoW has a rich & big world, is much more user friendly, has a much stronger grouping system and a stronger combat system when it comes to PVE. The classes in WoW are VERY well done, with each class having a totally diffrent playing style then the other. Character progression? in EVE, a person who started the game at a later date will NEVER EVER catch up to a higher level player
(Note to upcomming EVE fans who will respond to this: Yes, I know you can specialize, that does not take away the one who started first is still stronger in general)
WoW doesn't have that problem.
But that all aside, the award was for the best NPC hunting experience. So before you yell "OMGZ, Gameloading u kno nuthing of mmorpg's lololrofl!!111" maybe you should actually READ first hm?
I don't know a thing about MMORPG's? By the fact that you think EVE "pwnz" WoW in PVE, I'm willing to bet that I know more about the genre in general then you will ever do.
/Agree Gameloading.
To the EVEangelists...
If you think your PvE needs work and improvement, then you'll just have to wait until 2008 to get it.
Why should they mess with it, after you all voted that there is nothing better than what you have now?
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"Its sad when people use religion to feel superior, its even worse to see people using a video game to do it."
--Arcken
"...when it comes to pimping EVE I have little restraints."
--Hellmar, CEO of CCP.
"It's like they took a gun, put it to their nugget sack and pulled the trigger over and over again, each time telling us how great it was that they were shooting themselves in the balls."
--Exar_Kun on SWG's NGE
PvE does not JUST mean killing mystical rats. PvE includes professions, the economy, the market, character progression, and many other features. EVE pwnz WoW in PvE and PvP and I don't even like EVE. In fact, the only thing I like right now is Darkfall. Eve pwnz Wow? Not really. There is MORE to PVE then just the things you mentioned, and one part in particular is important: ENVIROMENT. Take WoW for example. WoW has a rich & big world, is much more user friendly, has a much stronger grouping system and a stronger combat system when it comes to PVE. The classes in WoW are VERY well done, with each class having a totally diffrent playing style then the other. Character progression? in EVE, a person who started the game at a later date will NEVER EVER catch up to a higher level player
(Note to upcomming EVE fans who will respond to this: Yes, I know you can specialize, that does not take away the one who started first is still stronger in general)
WoW doesn't have that problem.
But that all aside, the nomination was for the best NPC hunting experience.
I don't know a thing about MMORPG's? By the fact that you think EVE "pwnz" WoW in PVE, I'm willing to bet that I know more about the genre in general then you will ever do.
WoW has a rich and big world? Hah! 90% of the terrain is computer generated, fool. The classes in WoW are done very well? Are you trying to tell me that the classes in WoW are balanced as far as PvE goes? Now I know you aren't dumb enough to tell me that every class is even in PvP but the same goes with WoW's PvE. And what is this richness you speak of? You mean the differently colored / sized / leveled beasts that you find in almost EVERY zone? Or were you talking about the great storyline? The one where you collect wolf paws for Thrall?
Okay, let's talk about this "strong" grouping system. You mean the one that doesn't matter until level 60? The one where you can solo all the way up to 60 without even talking to another player? Ohh, you got me there. You must have been speaking of the end-game raiding! Yeah, I wish I could raid the same 3 instanced dungeons every week!
And how dare you try to tell me that you can never catch up to a veteran player in EVE. A monkey could tank the bosses in Naxx if he had the gear. The only way to progress in WoW is by getting new items, the levels come by fighting the same damn critters over and over. EVE got rid of that grind by implementing real-time skill training, which has obviously worked out for them. The so called HUGE population in WoW is made up of Chinese players, with about 1 million of them being American players who quit after their second month. The PvE in WoW must be amazing since we all know the PvP sucks! .../not
EVE isn't item centric?
T2? Oh wait! You can't even grind for those BPOs. You have to suck up to the Devs on the boards for them to give you one.
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"Its sad when people use religion to feel superior, its even worse to see people using a video game to do it."
--Arcken
"...when it comes to pimping EVE I have little restraints."
--Hellmar, CEO of CCP.
"It's like they took a gun, put it to their nugget sack and pulled the trigger over and over again, each time telling us how great it was that they were shooting themselves in the balls."
--Exar_Kun on SWG's NGE
PvE does not JUST mean killing mystical rats. PvE includes professions, the economy, the market, character progression, and many other features. EVE pwnz WoW in PvE and PvP and I don't even like EVE. In fact, the only thing I like right now is Darkfall. Eve pwnz Wow? Not really. There is MORE to PVE then just the things you mentioned, and one part in particular is important: ENVIROMENT. Take WoW for example. WoW has a rich & big world, is much more user friendly, has a much stronger grouping system and a stronger combat system when it comes to PVE. The classes in WoW are VERY well done, with each class having a totally diffrent playing style then the other. Character progression? in EVE, a person who started the game at a later date will NEVER EVER catch up to a higher level player
(Note to upcomming EVE fans who will respond to this: Yes, I know you can specialize, that does not take away the one who started first is still stronger in general)
WoW doesn't have that problem.
But that all aside, the nomination was for the best NPC hunting experience.
I don't know a thing about MMORPG's? By the fact that you think EVE "pwnz" WoW in PVE, I'm willing to bet that I know more about the genre in general then you will ever do.
WoW has a rich and big world? Hah! 90% of the terrain is computer generated, fool. The classes in WoW are done very well? Are you trying to tell me that the classes in WoW are balanced as far as PvE goes? Now I know you aren't dumb enough to tell me that every class is even in PvP but the same goes with WoW's PvE. And what is this richness you speak of? You mean the differently colored / sized / leveled beasts that you find in almost EVERY zone? Or were you talking about the great storyline? The one where you collect wolf paws for Thrall?
Okay, let's talk about this "strong" grouping system. You mean the one that doesn't matter until level 60? The one where you can solo all the way up to 60 without even talking to another player? Ohh, you got me there. You must have been speaking of the end-game raiding! Yeah, I wish I could raid the same 3 instanced dungeons every week!
And how dare you try to tell me that you can never catch up to a veteran player in EVE. A monkey could tank the bosses in Naxx if he had the gear. The only way to progress in WoW is by getting new items, the levels come by fighting the same damn critters over and over. EVE got rid of that grind by implementing real-time skill training, which has obviously worked out for them. The so called HUGE population in WoW is made up of Chinese players, with about 1 million of them being American players who quit after their second month. That storyline must be amazing! I am once again blown away by your significant knowledge of the mmorpg genre...right.
90% of the terrain is computer generated? I'm sure your more then happy to back that up with facts? World of Warcraft has one of the most detailed worlds when it comes to MMORPG gaming. I seriously doubt the terrain is computer generated.
And Actually, I am willing to claim that every class is very well balanced in PVP. it is not perfectly balanced (because developers are humans too), But yes, I am willing to claim that WoW's classes are very balanced when it comes to PVP. The PVE system is not fully balanced ( I wrote a long post about it in my blog, if your intrested in that), But I think Blizzard did a decent job on the class system, both in terms of diffrence & balance.
Diffrently colored/sized/leveled beast spread among diffrent levels are very commong, I was actually speaking about the world in general. It is actually very detailed, has plenty of "smaller dungeons" , and bigger instanced dungeons.
If I would be refering to the storyline of Warcraft, I would point out to the books & previous games about Warcraft.
Moving on, the fact you want to solo is your choice, you can do that if you want. But I'm talking about the grouping system in general. the dungeons that are made for groups are well done, Grouping is nicely balanced, and just about any class can group with any diffrent class and still do nicely. Again, its Imo not perfect, but its well done.
How "dare" I tell you that you can never catch up to a veteran EVE player..? Uhm..you DID play the game, didn't you? A veteran will ALWAYS have more skills then one who started at a later time, because the skill system is based on real time, not on actual time spend ingame playing.
Also, are chinese players any less then american players? Not to mention you didn't get your facts right. Blizzard never reported any decrease in the american part of the population (in fact, its only been increasing).
I meant PvE, just a typo.
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No Userbar here, sorry to disappoint.
Skill POINTS are irrelevant after a few months. SKILLS are never irrelevant, nor do veterans have a significant advantage in them.
Your problem is that you think skill POINTS correspond to levels in other games. Higher level = better. More skill POINTS does not make you more effective at the game. Its a common misconception with people who lack SKILLS and blame it on skill POINTS. That does not make skill POINTS in any way relevant compared to SKILLS.
It could very well be possible that EVE's PVE has improved, I wouldn't be surprised if it did. But are you sure you want to claim it now has the absolute BEST pve of EVERY MMORPG created?
If you find my opinion of EVE to be taken for very little is none of my bussiness, nor is it my concern. Tell you what Gameloading, next time you take an EVE trial let me know, I'll bring you along to do a level 4 mission with me and maybe that will give you an idea of how different it is from the noobie missions.
As far as combat being more interactive, I'll just repeat what I said to someone on the EVE boards. EVE is a combat game between CAPITAL SHIPS. Have you ever seen two Boeng 747's dogfighting? No? How about a couple of B-52 Bombers? No not them either? So then why would you expect to be dogfighting in ships 10X the size of them. Think naval warfare, not WW2 fighterplanes.
And to be honest I don't think that EVE deserves the best PVE award, but WoW certainly doesn't either, EQ2's PVE is far better than both combined.
I for one have never understood the hype of Eve Online. I tried the game and found it to be a total bore. For this game to totally sweep the awards totally baffes my mind. It must be as someone said in an earlier post "Eve Fanboys" of the game must keep the hype for this game up and led to the bias winning of most categories for the MMORPG awards. I am a bit disappointed in the results, but have become accustom to the bias opinions of this game on this website.
Now for the "Eve Fanboys" to bash me for my opinion. But everyone is entitled to their own opinion and this is mine.
Eve Online blows chunks
Skill POINTS are irrelevant after a few months. SKILLS are never irrelevant, nor do veterans have a significant advantage in them.
Your problem is that you think skill POINTS correspond to levels in other games. Higher level = better. More skill POINTS does not make you more effective at the game. Its a common misconception with people who lack SKILLS and blame it on skill POINTS. That does not make skill POINTS in any way relevant compared to SKILLS. You understand my point, and you know just as well as I do that one who plays longer will always be stronger then one who plays less, no matter how much time is put into the game, because of the skill system.
In other news, 4 out of 5 dentists agree that you're way too obsessive about EVE.