Ehhh 9/10 post here is flaming wow. So...... And why do you defend it so hard. Are you getting paid or something?
I have played all the online games out there. And you with 1k post must have some sort of damage if you can`t tell whats good, whats bad. The game looks like shit, and trust me I dont even feel like trying it if the Van com. is so simple minded as you..
Hell No. And you will say : Good. And I wil say . Good.
Ehhh 9/10 post here is flaming wow. So...... And why do you defend it so hard. Are you getting paid or something.
I have played all the online games out there. And you with 1k post must gave some sort of damage if you can`t tell whats good, whats bad. The game looks like shit, and trust me I dont even feel like trying it if the Van com. is so simple minded as you..
Hell No. And you will say : Good. And I wil say . Good.
- Have fun
I would never flame WoW in the WoW forum, but this is the VANGUARD forum. I never even go into the WoW forum. Why? Because I don't play WoW and I don't like WoW. Please feel free to take a page from my book!
Another major difference between you and I is that I have played WoW (and hated it) and I am playing Vanguard (and loving it)
KK, you're not impressed, you've made your opinion known. Time to move on. I swear, some people act like they are forced to come here and complain. F**king outrageous!
And that says it all.... Why do you come here at mmorpg.com. Why dont you just stay at the Van forums ?
Or... Ah. You`r saying that you have 2 love the game 1000% to post here? Sorry dude this ain`t Nazi Germany.
KK, you're not impressed, you've made your opinion known. Time to move on. I swear, some people act like they are forced to come here and complain. F**king outrageous!
And that says it all.... Why do you come here at mmorpg.com. Why dont you just stay at the Van forums ?
Or... Ah. You`r saying that you have 2 love the game 1000% to post here? Sorry dude this ain`t Nazi Germany.
I come here to talk about Vanguard with people who are interested in it. I don't come here to listen to a pathetic WoW fanboy who is basing his entire opinion of a game on a couple of bad screenshots. Seriously, get a clue! You needn't worry, I doubt Vanguard will dethrone WoW as the Financial n00bie King of MMOs, but it will give me a decent MMO to play, and thats all that concerns me and likeminded people.
KK, you're not impressed, you've made your opinion known. Time to move on. I swear, some people act like they are forced to come here and complain. F**king outrageous!
And that says it all.... Why do you come here at mmorpg.com. Why dont you just stay at the Van forums ?
Or... Ah. You`r saying that you have 2 love the game 1000% to post here? Sorry dude this ain`t Nazi Germany.
I come here to talk about Vanguard with people who are interested in it. I don't come here to listen to a pathetic WoW fanboy who is basing his entire opinion of a game on a couple of bad screenshots. Seriously, get a clue! You needn't worry, I doubt Vanguard will dethrone WoW as the Financial n00bie King of MMOs, but it will give me a decent MMO to play, and thats all that concerns me and likeminded people.
MAN I DONT PLAY WOW.... Where do you get that from? Do that fanboy stuff in the Van forum. Pfff I doubt you have an weight to your name, I bet thats why you left WOW. Never got the raid guild, never go anything. Thats prolly why this Fanatic, paranoid thing toward wow. I repet . I DONT PLAY WOW. All I am saying, trying to say is I am not impressed. And every idiot can see that the Screen S. Looks crappy, then dont come here and pretend its Perfect. It looks like AO. I know, I still play it from time 2 time.
I don't get why people flame WoW so much. I play world of warcraft and have loved it for 2 years, ever since retail. I've made it into the major guilds and raided my brains out for months, but I'm not going to flame a MMO just because it doesn't compete with WoW.
I don't know if they think they game style is super easy that over 7.5 million people play the game. It's opened the player base by a ton and I think it will ultimately get better MMO's developed and a larger playerbase into the market.
I love trying out new MMORPG's and I never criticise it until I have given it a chance.
I've played everything from Graal Online to EQ2, from free MMO's to paid MMO's, I've read quite a bit about vanguard, and no matter what the previews/reviews are, I will probably give it a try anyway.
To the people that flame the WoW graphics, I think it was a pretty damn smart move on their part. They choose not to spend a ton of time working on an "uber amazing realistic graphics engine" and instead took a step back and made it cartoonish and very vibrant and a lot of colors, so the "uber gaming machine" wouldn't have an upper hand on the "middle class computer", IMO they look great, but I can definately see why people would not like them.
As for vanguards graphics, TBH, i'm not very impressed, but that doesn't mean much, especially since it's only beta and we will have to wait until the retail comes out and I get to see it in game and live action, it could be completely different from just looking at a screenshot. I remember looking at screenshots of WoW and then playing the game, it almost seemed like two completely different games.
Just a little hint to everyone that chooses to flame WoW, I wouldn't bother, not only are you looking for trouble, but you're going to piss off >7.5 million subscribers lol
No, I just invested in a decent PC that is capable of high res and high detail. Then I got myself a 24" LCD so I could enjoy the results. It's a shame that in your extreme ignorance, you will avoid a game based on the screenshots you saw. You need to see it in action to appreciate it.
I don't get why people flame WoW so much. I play world of warcraft and have loved it for 2 years, ever since retail. I've made it into the major guilds and raided my brains out for months, but I'm not going to flame a MMO just because it doesn't compete with WoW.
I don't know if they think they game style is super easy that over 7.5 million people play the game. It's opened the player base by a ton and I think it will ultimately get better MMO's developed and a larger playerbase into the market.
I love trying out new MMORPG's and I never criticise it until I have given it a chance.
I've played everything from Graal Online to EQ2, from free MMO's to paid MMO's, I've read quite a bit about vanguard, and no matter what the previews/reviews are, I will probably give it a try anyway.
To the people that flame the WoW graphics, I think it was a pretty damn smart move on their part. They choose not to spend a ton of time working on an "uber amazing realistic graphics engine" and instead took a step back and made it cartoonish and very vibrant and a lot of colors, so the "uber gaming machine" wouldn't have an upper hand on the "middle class computer", IMO they look great, but I can definately see why people would not like them.
As for vanguards graphics, TBH, i'm not very impressed, but that doesn't mean much, especially since it's only beta and we will have to wait until the retail comes out and I get to see it in game and live action, it could be completely different from just looking at a screenshot. I remember looking at screenshots of WoW and then playing the game, it almost seemed like two completely different games.
Just a little hint to everyone that chooses to flame WoW, I wouldn't bother, not only are you looking for trouble, but you're going to piss off >7.5 million subscribers lol
ROFL, 7.5 million people's opinions that I couldn't care less about. I HATE WoW. It's the reason SWG was ruined (not intentionally I will concede) and it has perpetuated a belief that the WoW template is the only template for a successful MMO. Hopefully, Vanguard will drastically alter this erroneous perception. 7.5 million subscribers don't make a game good, it simply means that it's accessible (AKA simplistic).
Subscriber base doesn't mean anything to me at all really. In fact I go the other way with it..7.5 Mill (mostly american..big surprise there). Look we have become so dumbed down as a society (hooray for government education systems!!!) that it doesn't take much to entertain these people. It has a brand name on the front of it..I would almost set down a bet right here right now..that if it did NOT say Warcraft on it..it would not have the draw that it does. But again, the draw doesn't matter because Im not impressed with what the majority of society deems as good anyway..it's like a bunch of cavemen have discovered mmo's for the very first time.. "this..har har..this good...har har...this good game..har har"
I appreciate WoW for one reason...no learning curve so kids can get into it and parents can get into it with them..for that alone, it serves it purpose. But in the debate of this mmo vs that mmo gets heated when people come to a Van forum and basically in so many words say "its not like WoW, it will fail" or "These are the qualities that makes a game like WoW great..why is Vanguard doing it THIS way??" lol its the people bringing up WoW that come here and start it up..not the other way around. And its completely illogical to have an apparent "great" game like WoW and then come to another mmorpg and demand that it be the same way...Why?? Someone for the love of pink grasshoppers tell me why? If people like WoW thats ok I guess, and if they like it, why aren't they playing it? and why want something else to mimic what is apparently so great? That's why the creators of this specifically said "we believe there is room in the mmo world for a game like Vanguard" because it is going to appeal to those that want something that isn't WoW...It's the tender and unbruised WoW advocates that come in here and can't handle varying opinion because they were indoctrinated to all agree alike and don't know how to react when someone says.."no thanks, its too simplistic"...they don't know what to do!!! Their entire mental system shuts down.."what?...he didn't like WoW?..we must delve into this...find what HIS mistake is that causes him..harhar...not to like..harhar...my...harharhar...GAAAAAMMMMEEEE"
lol, don't worry the people who play eq2/wow will get the last laugh i am just going to sit back and enjoy the shit storm once vanguard is released and see how many change there tunes.
lol, don't worry the people who play eq2/wow will get the last laugh i am just going to sit back and enjoy the shit storm once vanguard is released and see how many change there tunes.
they laugh regardless lol..sometimes even when they are by themselves I imagine I won't slam EQ2 as much since it's got some very good depth to it...it's just unless you do heritage quests, the bosses and mobs you fight don't seem that all important in the grand scheme of the story line.
Subscriber base doesn't mean anything to me at all really. In fact I go the other way with it..7.5 Mill (mostly american..big surprise there). Look we have become so dumbed down as a society (hooray for government education systems!!!) that it doesn't take much to entertain these people. It has a brand name on the front of it..I would almost set down a bet right here right now..that if it did NOT say Warcraft on it..it would not have the draw that it does. But again, the draw doesn't matter because Im not impressed with what the majority of society deems as good anyway..it's like a bunch of cavemen have discovered mmo's for the very first time.. "this..har har..this good...har har...this good game..har har" I appreciate WoW for one reason...no learning curve so kids can get into it and parents can get into it with them..for that alone, it serves it purpose. But in the debate of this mmo vs that mmo gets heated when people come to a Van forum and basically in so many words say "its not like WoW, it will fail" or "These are the qualities that makes a game like WoW great..why is Vanguard doing it THIS way??" lol its the people bringing up WoW that come here and start it up..not the other way around. And its completely illogical to have an apparent "great" game like WoW and then come to another mmorpg and demand that it be the same way...Why?? Someone for the love of pink grasshoppers tell me why? If people like WoW thats ok I guess, and if they like it, why aren't they playing it? and why want something else to mimic what is apparently so great? That's why the creators of this specifically said "we believe there is room in the mmo world for a game like Vanguard" because it is going to appeal to those that want something that isn't WoW...It's the tender and unbruised WoW advocates that come in here and can't handle varying opinion because they were indoctrinated to all agree alike and don't know how to react when someone says.."no thanks, its too simplistic"...they don't know what to do!!! Their entire mental system shuts down.."what?...he didn't like WoW?..we must delve into this...find what HIS mistake is that causes him..harhar...not to like..harhar...my...harharhar...GAAAAAMMMMEEEE"
There is only about 2 million Americans playing WoW. 5.5 million left are foreign.
Personally, I don't see anything wrong with this picture. Besides, you can't tell by looking at a picture anyway. Give it a chance. WoW is much worse with it's cartoony-everyone-looks-alike-characters.
The one thing I think make a lot of games look a little off is that they don't present model shadows properly. Look around the feet of the characters and it will look like they are floating. What is need is some real time shadow mapping that does not look pixelated, or some kind of real time ambient occlusion. WoW fakes this by having some shadow texture modelled on the ground. It give are more real life feeling to it. Not that I think WoW graphics is awesome, but the certainly use a lot of tricks that at first make it look like very well done. Other than that I like the graphics of Vanguard more
Personally, I don't see anything wrong with this picture. Besides, you can't tell by looking at a picture anyway. Give it a chance. WoW is much worse with it's cartoony-everyone-looks-alike-characters.
The one thing I think make a lot of games look a little off is that they don't present model shadows properly. Look around the feet of the characters and it will look like they are floating. What is need is some real time shadow mapping that does not look pixelated, or some kind of real time ambient occlusion. WoW fakes this by having some shadow texture modelled on the ground. It give are more real life feeling to it. Not that I think WoW graphics is awesome, but the certainly use a lot of tricks that at first make it look like very well done. Other than that I like the graphics of Vanguard more
They did either one of two things
1)Lowered shadow detail in the client options for the game to run better on their PC
2)Shadow shaders werent implimented in P.1-P.2 of the beta
The screens are from June-July. An early beta build. Go look for new SS on the official vanguard forums.
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WoW looks worse, if you don't go for the cartoony look, which I don't. EQ2 looks better, IMO, because it has a little more color and looks a little more vibrant. Vanguard looks kinda washed out IMO, but graphics are such a big matter of taste that you can't appeal to everyone.
An earlier post says it looks better than EQ2. I strongly disagree, but again it's a matter of preference, not resolution.
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Ehhh 9/10 post here is flaming wow. So...... And why do you defend it so hard. Are you getting paid or something?
I have played all the online games out there. And you with 1k post must have some sort of damage if you can`t tell whats good, whats bad. The game looks like shit, and trust me I dont even feel like trying it if the Van com. is so simple minded as you..
Hell No. And you will say : Good. And I wil say . Good.
- Have fun
I would never flame WoW in the WoW forum, but this is the VANGUARD forum. I never even go into the WoW forum. Why? Because I don't play WoW and I don't like WoW. Please feel free to take a page from my book!
Another major difference between you and I is that I have played WoW (and hated it) and I am playing Vanguard (and loving it)
And that says it all.... Why do you come here at mmorpg.com. Why dont you just stay at the Van forums ?
Or... Ah. You`r saying that you have 2 love the game 1000% to post here? Sorry dude this ain`t Nazi Germany.
And that says it all.... Why do you come here at mmorpg.com. Why dont you just stay at the Van forums ?
Or... Ah. You`r saying that you have 2 love the game 1000% to post here? Sorry dude this ain`t Nazi Germany.
I come here to talk about Vanguard with people who are interested in it. I don't come here to listen to a pathetic WoW fanboy who is basing his entire opinion of a game on a couple of bad screenshots. Seriously, get a clue! You needn't worry, I doubt Vanguard will dethrone WoW as the Financial n00bie King of MMOs, but it will give me a decent MMO to play, and thats all that concerns me and likeminded people.
And that says it all.... Why do you come here at mmorpg.com. Why dont you just stay at the Van forums ?
Or... Ah. You`r saying that you have 2 love the game 1000% to post here? Sorry dude this ain`t Nazi Germany.
I come here to talk about Vanguard with people who are interested in it. I don't come here to listen to a pathetic WoW fanboy who is basing his entire opinion of a game on a couple of bad screenshots. Seriously, get a clue! You needn't worry, I doubt Vanguard will dethrone WoW as the Financial n00bie King of MMOs, but it will give me a decent MMO to play, and thats all that concerns me and likeminded people.
MAN I DONT PLAY WOW.... Where do you get that from? Do that fanboy stuff in the Van forum. Pfff I doubt you have an weight to your name, I bet thats why you left WOW. Never got the raid guild, never go anything. Thats prolly why this Fanatic, paranoid thing toward wow. I repet . I DONT PLAY WOW. All I am saying, trying to say is I am not impressed. And every idiot can see that the Screen S. Looks crappy, then dont come here and pretend its Perfect. It looks like AO. I know, I still play it from time 2 time.
- Good luck, have fun---
Im playing it right now, 1920 x 1200 MAXED, looks sweet! Like I said, don't base your opinion on web based screenshots.
I hope you get payed for posting here, if not then i feel sorry for you.......
/out for good
I don't know if they think they game style is super easy that over 7.5 million people play the game. It's opened the player base by a ton and I think it will ultimately get better MMO's developed and a larger playerbase into the market.
I love trying out new MMORPG's and I never criticise it until I have given it a chance.
I've played everything from Graal Online to EQ2, from free MMO's to paid MMO's, I've read quite a bit about vanguard, and no matter what the previews/reviews are, I will probably give it a try anyway.
To the people that flame the WoW graphics, I think it was a pretty damn smart move on their part. They choose not to spend a ton of time working on an "uber amazing realistic graphics engine" and instead took a step back and made it cartoonish and very vibrant and a lot of colors, so the "uber gaming machine" wouldn't have an upper hand on the "middle class computer", IMO they look great, but I can definately see why people would not like them.
As for vanguards graphics, TBH, i'm not very impressed, but that doesn't mean much, especially since it's only beta and we will have to wait until the retail comes out and I get to see it in game and live action, it could be completely different from just looking at a screenshot. I remember looking at screenshots of WoW and then playing the game, it almost seemed like two completely different games.
Just a little hint to everyone that chooses to flame WoW, I wouldn't bother, not only are you looking for trouble, but you're going to piss off >7.5 million subscribers lol
No, I just invested in a decent PC that is capable of high res and high detail. Then I got myself a 24" LCD so I could enjoy the results. It's a shame that in your extreme ignorance, you will avoid a game based on the screenshots you saw. You need to see it in action to appreciate it.
Subscriber base doesn't mean anything to me at all really. In fact I go the other way with it..7.5 Mill (mostly american..big surprise there). Look we have become so dumbed down as a society (hooray for government education systems!!!) that it doesn't take much to entertain these people. It has a brand name on the front of it..I would almost set down a bet right here right now..that if it did NOT say Warcraft on it..it would not have the draw that it does. But again, the draw doesn't matter because Im not impressed with what the majority of society deems as good anyway..it's like a bunch of cavemen have discovered mmo's for the very first time.. "this..har har..this good...har har...this good game..har har"
I appreciate WoW for one reason...no learning curve so kids can get into it and parents can get into it with them..for that alone, it serves it purpose. But in the debate of this mmo vs that mmo gets heated when people come to a Van forum and basically in so many words say "its not like WoW, it will fail" or "These are the qualities that makes a game like WoW great..why is Vanguard doing it THIS way??" lol its the people bringing up WoW that come here and start it up..not the other way around. And its completely illogical to have an apparent "great" game like WoW and then come to another mmorpg and demand that it be the same way...Why?? Someone for the love of pink grasshoppers tell me why? If people like WoW thats ok I guess, and if they like it, why aren't they playing it? and why want something else to mimic what is apparently so great? That's why the creators of this specifically said "we believe there is room in the mmo world for a game like Vanguard" because it is going to appeal to those that want something that isn't WoW...It's the tender and unbruised WoW advocates that come in here and can't handle varying opinion because they were indoctrinated to all agree alike and don't know how to react when someone says.."no thanks, its too simplistic"...they don't know what to do!!! Their entire mental system shuts down.."what?...he didn't like WoW?..we must delve into this...find what HIS mistake is that causes him..harhar...not to like..harhar...my...harharhar...GAAAAAMMMMEEEE"
Because? Oh, you dont actually have a reason, you just thought you'd try to get people's backs up by posting something totally inane!
That screenshot is from June and is a player screenshot as can be seen here
http://www.vanguardsoh.com/playersubmitted.php
So the beta tester may not have the best comp and it's a early build of beta
Personally, I don't see anything wrong with this picture. Besides, you can't tell by looking at a picture anyway. Give it a chance.
WoW is much worse with it's cartoony-everyone-looks-alike-characters.
They did either one of two things
1)Lowered shadow detail in the client options for the game to run better on their PC
2)Shadow shaders werent implimented in P.1-P.2 of the beta
The screens are from June-July. An early beta build. Go look for new SS on the official vanguard forums.
RIP: Masamunex - 75PLD/37WAR Ramuh
We will rise again from the ashes. To take over Vana'Diel.
An earlier post says it looks better than EQ2. I strongly disagree, but again it's a matter of preference, not resolution.
your tring to tell me that wow looks better with those kiddieish cartoon toons and landscapes they call graphics?
PS besides this is prolly an Beta 1 SS or something anyway.
No where is his post did he use the word WOW idiot.
P.S. You are an idiot.
Good day to you sir!
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