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You have to be kidding... SOE strikes early and hard
sirgeekalot
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Well,
Sadly the rumors were true and Beta 5 started today. As of last evening the game was ready for say.. beta 2. The client is unstable, the servers are laggy, the interface is a buggy snapshot of the WoW interface and most of the post level 20 content was either locked or offline as of last night. That said, i love it. I really want it to succeed, which makes me even madder that SOE pushed Sigil to put this to open beta WAY before its ready. See you there, but i fear the negative press from the crash filled lagfest that is Vanguard will sink Sigil.
Sirgeekalot
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Correct me if I am wrong - but open beta is when you do the stress testing so yes you would expect servers to be laggy at the start as they tune and add more servers and work out how much load each can carry.
If the game is like this at release - then yes your fears will be well founded.
Also I would expect that in open beta you have limited content as this means when you get the real game there will be something to do. Its like putting out a demo of a single player game - you dont let people demo the whole game you just give them enough of a taste of the game to decide if you like it.
On the client stability and interface - check the official forums to make sure these are issues that are being addressed.
I am sure many Beta Testers of various other games out there will agree that OB is suppose to be there just to stress the servers and fix the minor bugs here and there and polish some stuff.
The problem here is, the servers are already hurting DURING Closed Beta!
The game STILL have MANY Bugs to be fixed and many things NEEDS to be polished.
From experiencing how it is in Beta 4, I can just imagine the cries of agony people will have when the servers are opened again for the rest of the OB masses!
So I pretty much agree with the OP.
And I also will more than likely get the game anyways until WAR is released.
I need a damn fix lol.
PS:
Let us not be naive that the game will be fully polished when it is released in a few weeks.
It is being rushed from the looks of it.
Let us not be like the blind DnL fanbois that are still waiting for the "Potential" and "Magic Build" to happen.
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Well SOE saved the game from going down like Wish did but I have to agree.
Not trying to derail but are the servers/site down right now? I patched but cannot connect.
I miss DAoC
Patch tonight will have a lot of areas open in Thestra.
Also a lot of bug fixes apparently for server crashes.
Agreed a stress test is to make it crash and burn.
Now playing: VG (after a long break from MMORPGS)
Played for more than a month: Darkfall online, Vanguard SOH, Everquest, Horizons, WoW, SWG, Everquest II, Eve
I agree with you both that this game is not even close to being in release ready form and most likley the game will get ripped apart by testers.
It really is a shame because this is a great game and a ton of fun to play. I see problem after problem in beta but I keep playing and having fun. I really don't know whther to rip the game apart or praise it. I love it and hate it at the same time. I just feel sad its being pushed out at least a year early.
While SOE/Sigil should be taken to task for oushing this game into Beta 5 so early. this game is not DnL this is a great and fun game. It is just sad that it will be released so unfinished. Given time this game could have made a huge mark on the MMO world. Instead I am afraid we will only think of Vanguard as what could have been rather than what it actually was.
I can't eblive you guys made it to Beta also.
I made it when they opened the PvP Server and of course that is where I will live
TBH.
I am upset the servers aren't up yet cuz I wanna play lol
I am bored at work and contemplating on upgrading a website now lol.
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Sometimes I feel like I am playing a different game.
All the issues with VG can be solved in a few months.
Performance gets better each patch, servers become more reliable, content gets fixed, overall in the 4 months I have been playing it has moved forward in massive steps to the point where I am addicted.
Whilst I think its not ready for release, if it had a couple of months more in beta, would have helped.
No illusions, in its current form, speaking from today, this game is better than a shed load of MMORPGS on the market.
Now playing: VG (after a long break from MMORPGS)
Played for more than a month: Darkfall online, Vanguard SOH, Everquest, Horizons, WoW, SWG, Everquest II, Eve
Come on now this game has it's problems still but it is leaps and bounds beyond DnL LOL. And I am sure it will be an ok game down the road, it is just being pushed out the door too early by SOE.
I won't ever pay to play other than on a station pass though. I just really don't care for the old diku game play. It's juts EQ1 all over again in a lot of respects.
I can't beleve I made to the beta either, since I never applied. I guess my EQII sub got me in or something. If the beta had not been tied to my station login I would have gladly gave it to someone who would have rtested it more than I did.
There are a lot of things I do like about it. The separate paper dolls for different outfits is a fantastic idea, early access to mounts is another. The fellowship thing will be abused so I wonder how long that will last. being PL'ed offline...ummm I can see the ebay ads now
I never got high enough to test the housing. The crafting I found confusing and I am/was a hell of a crafter in HZ and EQII.
The diplomacy card mini game is cool but once you get the hang of it , it's pretty simple. Kind of like oblivion in that way.
All in all the game should not be going out head to head with WoW' BC. It's going to get it's ass raked over the coals bigtime.
I miss DAoC
I think that overall that the constant comparisons to EQ1 that people not in beta make are not really on track. This game is more like a collection of the good parts of L2, FFXI, and WoW. It has that I can affect the world feel that L2 has (although like L2 it is mostly an illusion but a darn good one), it also has L2's big open world to explore, the good party dynamics that FFXI has (much less grind than either of these two), it also has that feeling of real travel that FFXI has where you might log off several days in a row in a zone while you work it.
It has WoW's quest chains that make sure you always have something to do and a reason to do it. However since there is a world to explore you don't feel hemmed in by the quest like you are grinding them. Crafting is much more fun and I actually really enjoy the diplomacy system. It is nice to have other things to do.
The problem is: Its not ready yet. Its buggy, its laggy, it crashes. I noticed not all of the character customization choices were fully in yet even the other day when I was folling with it. I fear that there are also too many exploits open.
I feel now the same way that I felt at the end of the DDO beta. This is 3rd generation. I was afraid that it would feel like really polished second generation, or worse first generation. However it really is something different. I felt this way about DDO too. I will always consider DDO the first 3rd generation MMO. It was the first one to try something really different. However like DDO they haven't done enough yet. Please don't launch like this.
DDO was a good concept that with more time could have kicked off the third generation with a bang. They blew it. Please don't blow it. To me third generation will be about diversity where 2nd was about polish and accessibility. WAR, VG, AoC, and DDO will all be very different gaming experiences. Really to the point that it will be hard to lump them all in the same genre.
I know I am going to get flamed for considering DDO 3rd generation but I really think that they are where the risk taking and diversity began (and almost was DOA). I am really fascinated by all the major 3rd generation games and want them all to be good. (and I secretly hope for the one that I think will come late in 3rd generation: Lineage 3, if they build off what they have now it will be amazing)
SO while 3rd generation will be about diversity (VG and WAR will probably be more different that EQ and DAoC) we cannot forget the main lesson of 2nd generation:
Polish
Polish
Polish
That said, the game is nowhere near ready and I won't buy it as I don't think it's going to be fun to play in its current state. I was really excited about Vanguard when I first heard about it a couple of years ago, and the initial ideas that the dev team had were excellent - but I see more and more WoWish features all the time.
Whatever the reason for the rushed release, it's going to be the primary factor responsible for sinking this potentially awesome game.
They were running it on old servers to amplify the issues/problems with the game.
From the forum it sounds like the hardware is being updated.
Lets hope it sorts things out.
Now playing: VG (after a long break from MMORPGS)
Played for more than a month: Darkfall online, Vanguard SOH, Everquest, Horizons, WoW, SWG, Everquest II, Eve
Seems that SOE has begun as they intend to continue by calling the shots with Sigil and forcing them to do what they'd rather not. It looks like the writing is on the wall when all the Vanbois have been chanting for months the "SOE has no control, Sigil does as it pleases" mantra, and now SOE pushes for an early/rushed release (sound familiar anyone?).
Although I could be wrong an maybe Brad is pushing for the early release and calling the shots? Seems either Brad wants his Vision out before it's ready or SOE does. Perhaps Brad and Smed were in the sauna at the country club a few months back sipping martinis and came up with a plan to squeeze more cash out of the Vanguard cow? "Let's do an EQ2" suggested Smed, "release it way too early and have the customer pay to beta it for 6 months whilst you boys jury rig the game together?". "That's both bad business practice and totaly immoral!" replied Brad. Smedley looked at him with a smile and said "Yes", Brad laughed out loud and they raised their cocktail glasses and toasted "TO US!".
I expect people to start making excuses for SOE and SIGIL, but it is undeniable that Vanguard is not ready for open beta nor is it ready for a release within the next six months. As to why it's being released within the next six months the only explination given has been that SOE has pressed the issue and wants it to be released now. Why Sigil hasn't refused has not been explained, probably because they can't or because Sigil wants to cash in ASAP also. Either way this game has been going down turd creek without a paddle since Brad sold his soul to SOE again.
Vanguards release and current condition seems to have many parralels with SWG in my opinion, coaster of the year award anyone?
"Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience"
CS Lewis
I had high expectations for this game but the fact its so laggy makes it loose by default - My PC is dated so it wont run this game well (although it runs EQ2 and WoW just fine). Just like with EQ2 this game will only be available to a specific subset of the MMORPG audience.
The game is not ready, its not ready, its not ready.
I watched this game from when the first "The Vision" articles were available....I hate to say it but this game doesn't live up to the hopes I had. Good luck though, I hope it works out for You.
To answer a few questions to the best of my ability:
Why are the servers so laggy? It is heavally rumored (although not confirmed by Sigil) that beta has been running on the "in house" server over at sigil. This seams entirely likely due to the fact that would be an older piece of hardware that cannot handle the power that Vanguard is pushing.
Whats the ETA on the servers? As of right now it looks like about 3pm or so tomarrow which would coincide with the idea that Sigil is moving over the previous data from the "in house" beta server to the SOE beta server. Hopefully we will see great performance gains in the very near future.
Why are they pushing out an unfinished product and SOE is pushing their product out the door
!!!! Have any of you ever worked for someone else?!? Time is money. Sigil saved Vanguard from being pushed out by Microsoft what 6 months ago? You think the game isn't finished now? what would have happed if it had been pushed out then? Wow do I see AC2 flashbacks?
If you don't get the burger flipped and wrapped fast enough the customer leaves and you get fired. If you dont get the software packeage out (Vanguard) after we have given you ample time to test then you will stop paying for testing and we will take the rights to your game as per our contract with you.
Plain and simple they head a deadline and they are having to realize the fact that everything they want in there will no be in there and it won't be perfect BUT hell its a better game as it stands then most other companies can get out after years of work on them. Anyone heard of Windows Vista (Where's WinFS?) the Ford Pinto (12 dollers a piece thats too much! after a few deaths and a lawsuit or two well take care of it. Push it out now) Think of it this way: No one will die because Vanguard is not perfect at launch, hell no game ever has been.
Where is the post lvl 20 content? Post lvl 20 content is there and its a hell of a lot of fun too! Infinium quests are great! (you just get no cool armor love if you are a light armor user). Post 30 content is where it starts to slack off. But look on the bright side all the carebares will quit after level 12 because "its too hard! I cant solo my way to max level and then raid while I don't know my class for shat!" the ones that stay will enjoy the hell out of the game and the community will improve with those gone!
Anyways I do have to agree with some points; the classes are far from perfect and there is a hell of a lot of balancing that needs to go on. A few renamed skills and a little more armor variety will help ( I also think with the advent of the wonderful crafting system people will figure out how to make some wild a$$ armor.) Things have changed from the original "vision" so to say but that was 5 years ago and the Devs have been very open to all of the Beta testers suggestions and have even changed a lot as per our complaining; I have never felt like this much of an asset to a dev team and I think that these folks truly appreciate our feedback and OUR Vision.
anyways TROLL AWAY!
He's speaking on behalf of those of us that were in the CLOSED beta where a typical day was 12 bug reports an hour and HORRENDOUS performance even on top end computers.
All the really good quests are bugged...
The only thing to do is grind.
Is it innovative? In some ways yes. Could it be good? yes with another 4-5months of polish. Is it going to get any of those things? Probably but not at the hands of the developement team. You can almost smell Brad's eagerness to dump this premature baby into Smedly's Hands so that he can blame SOE for its glaring failures.
As they have PLENTY they want to hide from the newcomers to the game.
*sigh*
As they have PLENTY they want to hide from the newcomers to the game.
*sigh*
You post this then dont also say when beta 2 started all 1.5 post were wiped, beta 3 all 2.5 were wiped, beta 4 all 3 were wiped. Stop being ignorant and provide correct information not a half ass story.As they have PLENTY they want to hide from the newcomers to the game.
*sigh*
You post this then dont also say when beta 2 started all 1.5 post were wiped, beta 3 all 2.5 were wiped, beta 4 all 3 were wiped. Stop being ignorant and provide correct information not a half ass story.I wasn't in beta at those stages and that also makes it worse. It is better for beta testing to KNOW in advance what has been looked at what needs to be looked at more closely and what is KNOWN as doesn't need more data on.
Unlike some people I DON'T claim things I know nothing about. I DO KNOW they have a lot to hide that was going on in Beta 4 from the new testers however, and can say that with confidence.
Wiping that DATA at every stage of beta just confirms for me WHY the game is in such shoddy shape NOW. And that statement I made could have been made at all those earlier stages as well.
thanks for stepping up and making sigil look even worse than I did!! Woot!
Yes we are in beta code but how much optimizing can they do in the next month that they SHOULD have done before open beta? I don't see it happening and performance opts should have happened before open beta happens. Open beta = server stability and yes some opts but not sweeping ones that will allow higher end machines to run the game with more than 5fps.
New hardware .. Great! The game sorely needs it. 20gigs of game space = bloated code and heavy textures.