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Vanguard: fanbois chosen, rest dumped? A history of misinformation and bad choices
Elikal
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It seems to be a mess. Here and on other MMO sites ppl make wild guesses, complaints and spread misinformation. So maybe Sigil makes a clarification about the Beta 5 plans and roadmap eventually.
Here is a couple of questions I gathered from the chaos and interest me also.
1. There seems to be some mysterious order in which certain groups of people are allowed into beta. So Americans are better then the rest, Preorder over Fileplanet - and each is at everyone's throat now. Clearly, it seems the mess and argument that has followed Vanguard since day one has continued in new heights.
2. Where are all those smartasses who told me over a year every time Beta 5 would be for all who are in the official forum subscribed? WHERE? I was attacked and ridiculed so often when and where I asked about beta when I was yelled down that forum subscribers will get in anyway. So, where is my key?
3. Why are all Key connected to payment? Preorder, Fileplanet... Now don't even try to make this stupid "open beta" means no NDA. DAMMIT, EVERY person understood open as open to all who want, so don't try to play foolish now.
4. Why is it that always those justify the system who benefit from it. This is a really good question. Whenever a non American complains about why they get keys and others not, 10 Americans (usually US) jump up and defend the system or shrug "thats life" or other statements of equal compassion.
5. Is there a real open beta any time, so really all who want just get in or not? Without hooks and crooks like pay this, subcribe there, only plain open and enter.
6. Why do they declare a long awaited beta and then let people guess how and when to get in? Maybe starting it with some big, long, explanative statement would have been clever.
And yeah, I do not sound pissed, I am. As usual there are classes who have and those who watch you dine through the fence. It just bugs me to no end that even games are like that. Luring people into preorder and payment subscriptions isnt a really honorable move IMVPO. I know, expressing sceptical views like this nullifies my chances I will ever get any beta key, but heck, I cant play spineless here. Its how I see and feel about it. It has been favouritism from day one, and it keeps that legacy. The entire process of Vanguard developing has been a big basket fuill of foul fruits, and this is just another. Looking nice from one side but rotten on the other.
Here is a couple of questions I gathered from the chaos and interest me also.
1. There seems to be some mysterious order in which certain groups of people are allowed into beta. So Americans are better then the rest, Preorder over Fileplanet - and each is at everyone's throat now. Clearly, it seems the mess and argument that has followed Vanguard since day one has continued in new heights.
2. Where are all those smartasses who told me over a year every time Beta 5 would be for all who are in the official forum subscribed? WHERE? I was attacked and ridiculed so often when and where I asked about beta when I was yelled down that forum subscribers will get in anyway. So, where is my key?
3. Why are all Key connected to payment? Preorder, Fileplanet... Now don't even try to make this stupid "open beta" means no NDA. DAMMIT, EVERY person understood open as open to all who want, so don't try to play foolish now.
4. Why is it that always those justify the system who benefit from it. This is a really good question. Whenever a non American complains about why they get keys and others not, 10 Americans (usually US) jump up and defend the system or shrug "thats life" or other statements of equal compassion.
5. Is there a real open beta any time, so really all who want just get in or not? Without hooks and crooks like pay this, subcribe there, only plain open and enter.
6. Why do they declare a long awaited beta and then let people guess how and when to get in? Maybe starting it with some big, long, explanative statement would have been clever.
And yeah, I do not sound pissed, I am. As usual there are classes who have and those who watch you dine through the fence. It just bugs me to no end that even games are like that. Luring people into preorder and payment subscriptions isnt a really honorable move IMVPO. I know, expressing sceptical views like this nullifies my chances I will ever get any beta key, but heck, I cant play spineless here. Its how I see and feel about it. It has been favouritism from day one, and it keeps that legacy. The entire process of Vanguard developing has been a big basket fuill of foul fruits, and this is just another. Looking nice from one side but rotten on the other.
People don't ask questions to get answers - they ask questions to show how smart they are. - Dogbert
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They want to continue the hype, for the most part only a vanbois would be blind enough to pay to get into an "open beta" so the feed back should be good for the most part. Next it isn't an open beta, it's a method to milk as much denarii from gamers as possible before the official release when everyone realises Vanguard doesn't deliver. Why only let North Americans in, probably something to do with laws and an overseas subscriber being able to get their money back (taking a guess here but it seems the most likley reason they aren't grabing at your Euros).
Vanguard can't live up to the hype I've been reading on these forums for the last six months and it doesn't, I think Sigil knows this and want to get as many subscribers on board now then hand out the promises of fixing it. Wether they will fix it or not is anyones guess but I ain't gonna pay them to do it!
"Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience"
CS Lewis
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Final Fantasy
I am surprised that no one come and argue... come on, one sided debates are boring. Where are the people that has a different view point?
Well, for sigil's sake, I hope the title of this thread is wrong, cause I dont think Vanguard has nearly as many strong supporters as WOW, if only strong supporters choose it, it won't last long.
I do think maybe vanguard will turn out to be another one of those niche games that have about 100k active subscriptions. that's really about it. It's kinda sad, I like the graphics and some part of the game. Unfortunately the dev's took a direction that inevitably distanced the game from me, as I dont have the time to be a hardcore gamer anymore. But for all of you that dont have other full time committments in life, enjoy and I envy ya. I miss my university days when I can grind AO for 14 hrs a day.
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Final Fantasy
I'll start my own SWG... with Black Jack... and Hookers!!!
In fact, forget the SWG!!!!
Doesn't Euro-beta start on the 8th? I thought I remember seeing that in the press release about open beta. If that is the case what the hell is 3 days? Forget the fact that it's just beta anyway....If thats the case (that euro beta starts 3 days later than US open beta), then it's pretty sad that your life is so VSoH-centric that a 3 day open beta wait sends you over the edge....get a grip m8
Remember the good old days when beta wasn't part of a marketing strategy and we didn't really know anything about a game until we BOUGHT the damn thing and started playing it.....AFTER it was FINISHED =P
Which Final Fantasy Character Are You?
Final Fantasy
Americans better than the rest? I thought everyone knew that already.
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Final Fantasy
Besides that, doesn't it make more sense if your first opening up to god knows how many people, to let them come in a few at a time in a nice orderly fashion that can be handled rather than a "hey lets explode the login servers and download servers and whatever else servers they can jam up!" ??
It's a damned if you do, damned if you don't scenario for a game company...don't let everyone in at one time? Some people bitch and think it's they're god given right to play this beta at this moment in history to the second!...
If you let everyone in at one time, then you have login issues, key issues, forum issues, server issues in general...and generally the SAME pissy whiners complain about how they can't login, the game is doomed, hell on earth...
Can't please everyone...
Don't make me bring up Iraq....wait nvm.. Anyways, whats 3 days? seriously? I can do alot in 3 days...Besides the point, this is a goddamn open beta for god sakes!! These euro's or non-american citizens all abunch of damn kids ?! This is pathetic..
p.s Vanguard is great, once the doors of heaven open. You'll have your chance.. North America FTW!
"It is in your nature to do one thing correctly; Before me, you rightfully tremble. But, fear is not what you owe me. You owe me awe." ~Francis Dolarhyde
1) Americans are not better. They are building the population slowly and not letting everyone jump in on day 1. It will be a 3 week build up. First will be promotions such as fileplanet, then preorders and then forum subscibers.
2) answered above. You'll most likely get in if you are signed up to beta test on the Vanguard website.
3) This is not an open beta. We have told you that from day 1. I've heard the number 25,000 mentioned. It's a stress test. Not an open beta. If anyone ever told you it was a true open beta they are misinformed.
4) I don't understand why they restrict access to certain geographic reasons. Are they too stupid to realize their are no borders on the internet? well not counting China.
5) Nope
6) It's their game. They can stagger invitations to beta however they wish. You can cry if you want. It's ok.
They will lure people however they see fit. Yes they will reward their partners first. This is the way it's done. SOE will reward it's Pass subscribers, Fileplanet has a long relationship with SOE so they will get their dues. Also you can toss in that players from Elite guilds in other games will get invites early. Some guilds get 20-30 beta keys to hand out to their members. You're seriously taking offense to not getting to beta test? C'mon man you can read the forums and see beta testing is a lag filled crapfest. I honestly don't even know why i do it.
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1) Americans are not better.
You don't really mean that. Do you?
Yet when these Open Beta's come along it's open to "US residents onlly" that may be because within New Zealand law if a game doesn't deliver what is promised then we are entitled to our money back (even though this is only beta and no money has been exchanged), even Blizzard mention this in their terms of service.
Yet we are entitled to pre-order here, this what we are told when we pre-order here in New Zealand:
Pre-order Vanguard: Saga of Heroes and you will receive a special pre-order Bonus Disc in January before the game releases! This disc will contain:
- Early access to the game! Log on and get a jump start up to three days prior to the official launch!
- A special account key that will grant you a unique exclusive in-game scroll, allowing your character to sprint for longer periods of time due to an endurance buff (one per account).
- An invitation to the Vanguard: Saga of Heroes beta (for eligible participants)
- Guild Mail – a fun recruitment tool to help you build your guild before launch!
- A king’s ransom of assets, including videos, wallpapers and screenshots.
This all sounds good but then it goes on to say:Collector's Edition contents for Australia and New Zealand will be confirmed closer to launch.
I'm curious to know why when it comes to Open Beta's or extra goodies it's mainly only open to US residents, yet we always play on the US servers, I've read all the previous posts about laws, rolling out invites as they see fit, it's their game....blah blah blah.
Several other MMO's to date have managed to stuff up the release here in the Oceanic group. Horizons comes instantly to mind, game shipped with no keys to log onto the game, then some that pre-ordered the collectors edition were told sorry not enough copies for your pre-order as the publisher decided to pull copies from New Zealand to supply the US market.
It will be interesting to see how Sigil and SOE handle this one, I mean if your going to offer pre-orders worldwide then why change the contents?, or if you can't deliver because the game is more popular than anticipated why offer pre-orders outside of the "US market"?
I've probably gone off on a tangent that's not related to this post and should've started a new post, for this I apologise but, this post is what sparked this off in my head, so I replied here.
- Rieve
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Final Fantasy
WTF does Iraq have to do with this thread??
Just another ignorant comment made by an ignorant person ...
Now, I like that attitude, but before I jump in the boat and turn this topic to a Euro vs. America, I'd like to say that some places have more freedom than you do, too! It's troooooo....
Anywho, I don't see how this topic can be about Iraq, "North America FTW!!!111one... zill" that's just random talk... like a bantling might do while playing with his toy car.
And Europeans, watch what you say afore they bomb the shit out of us, ok?