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Vista, DX10, and upcoming MMOs
Deathstrike2
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Is Age of Conan the only upcoming MMO known to be designed with Vista and DX10 in mind? If so, I'm wondering why that is. Take Vanguard for instance...why wouldn't a new game like this be designed around the best gaming platform available at release? Or maybe it is, and this is what's causing all the issues on the XP DX9 systems. Who knows...
For me, this is a big selling point. I fully intend to upgrade my system with Vista and a Nvida 8800 as soon as a good DX10 MMO is released.
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I just hope Vista isn't such a big joke it makes MCE look like a gag. If it is I hope console gaming picks up the slack quickly. Actually after the last few betas I have been in long term, VG open, and a project with an NDA I am considering getting a 360 for online gaming. The MMORPG genre has become the current "it thing" to develope and unless something amazing is coming up from under the radar I am nearing my end with it.
When Animal Crossing for Wii looks more fun than the up coming MMO list something is wrong.
Why would you want a Vista only MMO ? I like DX10 but the EULA for VISTA is god awful. I hope you don't plan on keeping your rig updated with hardware and only having one copy of VISTA. In VISTA if you upgrade a "key" piece of hardware you are going to need to repurchase an entire new license.
Whatever happened to DX 9.0L?
Tbh im sure someone will hack dx10 for xp tbh.
That was a rumor and MS put it to rest a while ago and said that it would never happen.
Vista still uses the same OS core as NT, 2K, and XP. There's no reason DX10 can't be run on XP. As for DX10 as an API, it really does some awesome things. I'm not talking about new graphical tricks to make lighting more realistic or textures sharped. Combined with fully DX10 compliant graphics card, you have some really new possibilities available. I won't go into detail because there are a million articles out there about what DX10 brings to the table.
Age of Conan is not the only DX10 MMORPG project, though. I believe there's at least one more, but I can't think of it off the top of my head. I'll edit this if it comes to mind. Maybe somebody can help me out on this one?
VISTA is a 64 bit redesign of the Windows kernel. It also has an entire new way of handling and dealing with drivers. DX10 is reliant on this new scheme of dealing with drivers and thus will never run on a 32bit XP or anything else that used the old NT kernel.
Well, i think when Vista is released foor the general public, and it gets setteled on home pc's there will be more MMO's created with the new features. For now, and for me, it doesn't matter if the game looks a little bit like crap (not too much of course). If the gameplay is super i'll play whatever i want.
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Beta: 9Dragons
Oh. I heard it used the same core, albeit a very heavily-modified version of it. I guess I was wrong.
Maybe in 2 years its smart to make mmo,s dx 10 and vista only if they launche games like that now they died before even started.
Almost nobody will have in next 6 months a dx 10 grafics card and general public will buy vista in second year first year only hardcore will buy it.
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Yes, I know. I just hope it's worth the wait. I am so ready for something "new".
I'm hoping no MMO is silly enough to be M$ Vista exclusive just yet.
Well I'm upgrading to a nice new 8800gtx, but I'm completely put off by that BS M$ product called Vista.
Before you go and upgrade you might want to do some research on all those nice new resource hogging features that M$ have added. Not to mention there lovely new "protection" software.
http://www.cs.auckland.ac.nz/~pgut001/pubs/vista_cost.txt
The basic kernel design for Windows NT/2K/XP and yes Vista hasnt changed since Microsoft copied it from DEC back in 1990. They have done some recoding to try fix some of the things they were lax the on the first 3 times like omnipresent unchecked buffers but everything else has been minor tweaking of cosmetic. Changing from one brain-dead driver model to another brain-dead driver model certainly doesnt qualify as a redesign of the kernel.
Anyway, to be honest I cant really see DX10 catching on quickly. Vista isnt compelling to say the least and DX10 doesnt run on anything else. Games that target DX10 are going to struggle because they wont run anywhere, so everyone is either going to keep targeting DX9, or they will use OGL and gain access to the DX10 hardware features that way.
This is rather unfortunate because we do need something better then DX9, which is just too much of a resource hog to run high quality graphics effectively.
The basic kernel design for Windows NT/2K/XP and yes Vista hasn’t changed since Microsoft copied it from DEC back in 1990. They have done some recoding to try fix some of the things they were lax the on the first 3 times like omnipresent unchecked buffers but everything else has been minor tweaking of cosmetic. Changing from one brain-dead driver model to another brain-dead driver model certainly doesn’t qualify as a redesign of the kernel.
Anyway, to be honest I can’t really see DX10 catching on quickly. Vista isn’t compelling to say the least and DX10 doesn’t run on anything else. Games that target DX10 are going to struggle because they won’t run anywhere, so everyone is either going to keep targeting DX9, or they will use OGL and gain access to the DX10 hardware features that way.
This is rather unfortunate because we do need something better then DX9, which is just too much of a resource hog to run high quality graphics effectively.
I agree, even though Vista might be the next step up I see it as XP SP6 and wont be upgrading to it for at least another 3-4 years.
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Vista mode
XP mode
Proffesionel mode(i think this is the last one)
And i can assure you that i will run XP mode. As i used the CD Key for my current XP license to many times, i have to re-install XP every 30th day. So im sure gonna buy VISTA @ Day 1. And then just run "XP mode".
I suppose it will be alot like XP is already, but with some of the 3D features of Vista, though the main GUI will be like XP, and not so much of a media center
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First of all this is why Vista is so nasty. Stealing the OS and other warez is why Vista is such an evil piece of software.
When I say evil I mean evil. The whole copyright protection system goes ridiculously far. ANY format on ANY subsystem or hardware will not function if the software uses the Vista copyright enforcement "features". Look into the dev kits and certs available for stamps on boxes such as "games for windows". They require use f the copyright features to get the stamps. Now not all companies will follow those rules and get a gold star from M$, but the big ones will. The average casual gamer going into a Best Buy is much more likely to pickup a box with stamps noting "Vista Certified" or "Vista Gaming" than some random box. Sad but true.
Don't expect to get full Vista use out of any current system, the chance of that is very low. Just to use sound in some of the up coming software will require a Vista certified sound card. Most mother board built ins will have to be replaced with a peripheral card etc.
If this goes through at release then I plan on getting a console instead of another PC. The side costs to use Vista are outrageous. Actually with the current crop of upcoming game releases for PC I ratehr wish I bought a 360 last year...and yes I know the irony it is a M$ product.
First of all this is why Vista is so nasty. Stealing the OS and other warez is why Vista is such an evil piece of software.
When I say evil I mean evil. The whole copyright protection system goes ridiculously far. ANY format on ANY subsystem or hardware will not function if the software uses the Vista copyright enforcement "features". Look into the dev kits and certs available for stamps on boxes such as "games for windows". They require use f the copyright features to get the stamps. Now not all companies will follow those rules and get a gold star from M$, but the big ones will. The average casual gamer going into a Best Buy is much more likely to pickup a box with stamps noting "Vista Certified" or "Vista Gaming" than some random box. Sad but true.
Don't expect to get full Vista use out of any current system, the chance of that is very low. Just to use sound in some of the up coming software will require a Vista certified sound card. Most mother board built ins will have to be replaced with a peripheral card etc.
If this goes through at release then I plan on getting a console instead of another PC. The side costs to use Vista are outrageous. Actually with the current crop of upcoming game releases for PC I ratehr wish I bought a 360 last year...and yes I know the irony it is a M$ product.
WTF are you smoking? I've had the commercial release of Vista for about a month now (through the Technet Program) and it runs fine with everything. The only things with that level copyright protection are Blue-Ray and HD-DVD movies and it has nothing to do with Microsoft as it's the movies companies that are making them require it. The "games for Windows" brand is about marketing. You don't need special certified equipment to play them. Take off the tin foil hat...
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