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If Smed is so apologetic...
ArcAngel3
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I've read how the Pres. of SOE Mr. Smedley is apologetic now about the NGE. If this is true, I have an idea regarding how he can take a step towards making things right. How 'bout they go back to the game we bought and enjoyed, fix the bugs and make the buffs more reasonable, then put it on a couple of servers and say," We're sorry we took your professions, your pets, your quests, your progress and your communities. We're sorry we took away your customized characters and hard earned templates. We're sorry we misled you by keeping the NGE a secret until after you all paid for the trials of obi-wan expansion. We're sorry that we replaced your game with an incomplete, bug-ridden wreck. We're sorry that we invited you to give us feedback on the forums and then deleted your feedback and banned you when you provided it. We really messed up and caused people a lot of grief. Here, have the game you bought and enjoyed back. Play it without the bugs we should have spent our time and energy fixing. We won't do anything like this to another living soul as long as we are in the gaming business." Then of course he'd have to follow through on the apology, and release a well tested, functional version of the game that SOE destroyed. That would be evidence of a true apology I think.
ARC3
P.S. If anyone wants to tell me to "get over it, NGE is here to stay etc.", I'll save you the trouble. I got over it, made my peace with myself and the fact that companies and people are imperfect and mess things up. I can let others enjoy the NGE if they can, and want to. I can also remember a lot of good times with good people in SWG. I've reinvested my time, energy and friendship into a new online community, and am actually quite happy with my life lol (mint tea seems to help that in some mysterious way). I'm just sayin' if someone really wants to say sorry, this would be a good way to do it in my view -_^
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SOE DOES NOT OWN SWG. Lucas Arts does, they cannot simply do what they want, they do what there TOLD.
These ignorant responses are getting annoying.
SOE DEVELOPES SWG. Lucas Arts does not, they simply say what they want, and get what SOE does.
Seriously, they're equally responsable. LA might have asked for the NGE, but thier not the ones that treated thier customers like crap & Developed the biggest piece of crap in MMO History.
I'll start my own SWG... with Black Jack... and Hookers!!!
In fact, forget the SWG!!!!
These ignorant responses are getting annoying.
SOE DEVELOPES SWG. Lucas Arts does not, they simply say what they want, and get what SOE does.
Seriously, they're equally responsable. LA might have asked for the NGE, but thier not the ones that treated thier customers like crap & Developed the biggest piece of crap in MMO History.
What are you cracked ? THAT IS NOT how it works. If you own something and pay someone to do something they do WHAT YOU TELL THEM. If they come to you with an idea you say no and it doesnt happen. If lucas arts didnt want it to it wouldnt of that simple.Fine LucasArts can also apologize
Arc3
That is also how it does NOT work. LA gives them a direction, it is up to SOE to create that direction. LA is the third party IP behind the project, SOE has the rights to all the content and code, therefore in other terms, owns the game. LA just gets a slice of the pie not the whole thing.
I agree with you that any kind of restitution would have to be a joint effort by SOE and LucasArts. Since they worked together to get SWG into the mess it's in now, having both of them apologize and work together to make things right would be great--unlikely in this world we live in, but great nonetheless.
ARC3
Lucas Arts wante dthe game to change because it wasn't Iconic or StarWarsy enough. Lucas Arts have their own Developers working on the game too, they all came in and took over for abit when the NGE was announced, we never saw them before that :P They even said they wanted more instant gratification.
SOE relocated their original pre cu devs to other projects, it would be near impossible now to rollback because of this and all the time gone by and the fact Lucas Arts would not want it.
Lucas Arts holds the licence and everything goes through them.
Of course, the fact that Smed has stated that NGE was all $OE's idea was just a lie, right?
He is not the only one who has stated this either. Lucas's hand in this was probably more along the line of "you need to get your subscriptions up, what are you going to do about it?"
There is ignorace here buddy, but you might want to take a good long look in the mirror.
The blame game started up once, since then ... Raph quit, Jeff Freeman.. was (Let go) -- several other things or people have moved around.
As expected and predicted, people started some finger pointing... I still would love to see Julio Torres post now... I would love to see his ego shatter in text on the boards or anywhere.
Notice he has not posted at all since the start of this crap???? Where is the great NGE leader now???? Why has he not tried to come out from under his rock and defend this since the summits???? Hmmm????
It comes down to this 50% LEC 50% SOE --- we can all make it easy on each other and agree they are both to blame... this way it's eaven and actually makes more sense then most ideas.
Mr. Smedley has told me in dialog known and posted that he regrets pushing the NGE live, he "Wished he never did it".... I do know this, I have to believe this obviously. No company would want to happen what has with SWG. I am not letting him off the hook, BUT AT LEAST that man stepped up to the plate... flat out told me it was a mistake in it's own right and he wished he never did it.
NOW THEN, LEC has yet to admit failure... but Smedley has been candid enough to say some things.. so that you get the idea of where this went. Julio will never post.. that man could not eat his ego to save his life. In fact I would be suprised if he does not run and hide for the remainder of his time at LEC... unless they fire him which I predict they will soon.
The concept was a failure, the execution was a failure, the end result and product was a failure, the success of it was a failure -- and this is not even getting into the bugs , issues, reviews, overall view of the product. They had a chance with the first mass playberbase and blew it each time they changed the game and rules willy nilly. This was the mistake to end all.
After talking to many of the SOE/LEC Dev team myself I can safely say they are not the right team in place, nor have been since the CU for this products future. When your main creator leaves... you have a problem, but what needs to happen is the last mass exodous right now from the game. If anything I think both parties will not work together again, nor should they. Let's hope they all learned somthing from this one.... I know I did.
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I usually picture the Career builder commercial with the room full of monkeys and upside down sales chart when thinking about the SOE/SWG decision making process.....
SOE's John Blakely and Todd Fiala issued a warning: "Don't make our mistakes." Ref NGE
Winner of the worst MMOS goes to.... the NGE and SWG..!!! http://www.mmorpg.com/showFeature.cfm?loadFeature=1034&bhcp=1
Crap I think he has done it on more then one man. I mean he sent me a email and even a fan of the NGE that questioned me one with some pretty harsh statements. He seems very genuine and honest now about the issue actually.
I think there is blogs, forums and games he belongs to that he has done this one. I also think... (I know this sounds silly) if you email him and ask him, he will do it.
No joke... He has damn near said as much as he could I think while risking a conflict of intrests.
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I usually picture the Career builder commercial with the room full of monkeys and upside down sales chart when thinking about the SOE/SWG decision making process.....
SOE's John Blakely and Todd Fiala issued a warning: "Don't make our mistakes." Ref NGE
Winner of the worst MMOS goes to.... the NGE and SWG..!!! http://www.mmorpg.com/showFeature.cfm?loadFeature=1034&bhcp=1
They still think the mistake wasn't the NGE itself but the timing and the PR.
Disregard than,
Nothing to see here, move along.
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I usually picture the Career builder commercial with the room full of monkeys and upside down sales chart when thinking about the SOE/SWG decision making process.....
SOE's John Blakely and Todd Fiala issued a warning: "Don't make our mistakes." Ref NGE
Winner of the worst MMOS goes to.... the NGE and SWG..!!! http://www.mmorpg.com/showFeature.cfm?loadFeature=1034&bhcp=1
Crap I think he has done it on more then one man. I mean he sent me a email and even a fan of the NGE that questioned me one with some pretty harsh statements. He seems very genuine and honest now about the issue actually.
I think there is blogs, forums and games he belongs to that he has done this one. I also think... (I know this sounds silly) if you email him and ask him, he will do it.
No joke... He has damn near said as much as he could I think while risking a conflict of intrests.
Seems some folks like to bend the truth to fit there agendas like the companies they so hate.
C'mon Isk, you have posted that apology last week on other sites (YaMB) claiming he wrote that to you when he said that to me. Why now the sudden feign of not knowing where to link? You know where to link, why not just post it? Since you love throwing that post up every chance you get.
And as I have said many a time before, but obviously I have to repeat it to yet again, I was never a fan of the NGE. In fact I explained that in depth after I posted the repsonse, short sightedness on your part I guess.
I questioned you when you came out with your kiddie "Smed told me a secret" crap and refused to post anything. Only took you 6 pages of prodding and a bribe to make you post it then I posted my response immediately.
Please get your facts straight next time, its all I ever asked and still do.
"If we don't attack them, they will attack us first. So we'd better retaliate before they have a chance to strike"
Crap I think he has done it on more then one man. I mean he sent me a email and even a fan of the NGE that questioned me one with some pretty harsh statements. He seems very genuine and honest now about the issue actually.
I think there is blogs, forums and games he belongs to that he has done this one. I also think... (I know this sounds silly) if you email him and ask him, he will do it.
No joke... He has damn near said as much as he could I think while risking a conflict of intrests.
Seems some folks like to bend the truth to fit there agendas like the companies they so hate.
C'mon Isk, you have posted that apology last week on other sites (YaMB) claiming he wrote that to you when he said that to me. Why now the sudden feign of not knowing where to link? You know where to link, why not just post it? Since you love throwing that post up every chance you get.
And as I have said many a time before, but obviously I have to repeat it to yet again, I was never a fan of the NGE. In fact I explained that in depth after I posted the repsonse, short sightedness on your part I guess.
I questioned you when you came out with your kiddie "Smed told me a secret" crap and refused to post anything. Only took you 6 pages of prodding and a bribe to make you post it then I posted my response immediately.
Please get your facts straight next time, its all I ever asked and still do.
First off "agenda"?? Um yeah.. you found me out... telling people about the NGE and what kind of product it is... YEP...I admit to telling people about SOE and the NGE... so be it. My agenda would be to make sure people know how bad it is. I admit that fully. I will use posts like "Nancy telling us there was much to much reading" to Mr. Smedley saying "The NGE in itself was a mistake"... Your Damn right I will. No sugar coating it anymore.
(However) I don't have the link.on me here.. also I did not know I had a fan... in the same token, you being named the fan of the NGE... well, as it seemed you defended it and the product to a extent while you were in it. As far as me not wanting to post the email that fast -- the obvious reason was for the exact result that you encountered.
In a way, I did not want to post it for that reason. Someone emailing someone else like some kid and saying "Hey this guy told me this, did he really??"... type crap.
Don't forget that you questioned my sincere point and fact of what the NGE reflects. Now then, after him emailing you , then you did at least note what was said. Crap he said it more harshly (if you will) to you then he did me actually. Along the same lines but still...
None the less... you Godamn bet I will throw that up... why?? Because it is one big WHAP in the face of real feelings and thoughts on the NGE... not this buttered down "It's ok and getting better" crap. If people won't listen to his words then pretty much they will do anything at that stage. I mean most people see those words and can take it in a general direction and come up with a overall concept of how they feel, or HE feels about the NGE and what it did.
That was the whole point.
On the flip side it is good to see everything right where it was predicted to be by now or at least close.. The MMO awards, Jeff Freeman... being let go (Sorry Jeff) the other things not making it to live as predicted ... all these things are things showing just how well this all worked out for them.
I just wished they had listened or at least entertained our thoughts back in the day on this... it just may have saved it.
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I usually picture the Career builder commercial with the room full of monkeys and upside down sales chart when thinking about the SOE/SWG decision making process.....
SOE's John Blakely and Todd Fiala issued a warning: "Don't make our mistakes." Ref NGE
Winner of the worst MMOS goes to.... the NGE and SWG..!!! http://www.mmorpg.com/showFeature.cfm?loadFeature=1034&bhcp=1
I don't know who is to blame here, there usualy is something called brainstorming and some ideas are set on the table. Yes Lucas Arts would have to aprove them, but who realy created the combat enhancements? Probably not Lucas Arts. Also, SOE can and have made several combat and hability balances on other games they own, Everquest 2 already had a couple for that matter, think of Necromancer pets since launch and you will see they have revamped it at least 2x by now, removing some, nerfing and adding others. Not that I care, I tried it from time to time and I absolutly hate debt experience. If i want a real penalty I go play UO, the insurance and corpse runs are enough to annoy me, and I don't lose habilities unless i play on Felucca has a PK, lol.