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Seriously, Why no wild west?

I'm a big fan of MMORPGs but why do all these developers have such a narrow focus on "fantasy" it's almost always sword and sorcery stuff and that's a bit "been there done that" now.

Why isn't there even one that deals with something like the wild west? I would sincerely love to play one in that setting, it could even be a fantasy, with dragons and other such beasties but with guns and cowboys instead of swords and barbarians. Even a direct recreation of the times would be exciting, with possees and bandits and the like.

Imagine being able to play a game that had a similar set up to the first release of SWG but set in some kind of frontier town.

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  • MW2KMW2K Member UncommonPosts: 1,036

    There was Priest, which had a Wild West theme, but it was cancelled.

  • christosNoirchristosNoir Member Posts: 6

    Bit difficult to play then :P :)

  • FugnudzFugnudz Member Posts: 480

    Why no Wild West MMORPG?

    Because to play a western hero type, it takes sand.  When was the last time you saw any "catass" gamers with sand?

  • XennithXennith Member Posts: 1,244
    in all fairness, its because the wild west is almost entirely an american phenomena.



    might do okish in the states, but in europe... forget it. the far east? not so much...



    dwarves with beards and elves with chainmail bikinis sell units.
  • christosNoirchristosNoir Member Posts: 6

    Well i'm English.

    I agree it probably wouldn't do WOW numbers, but you have to admit the "COWBOY" is a fairly big icon and most people like them, kind of like superheroes. It could possibly do similar numbers to COH/V.

  • XennithXennith Member Posts: 1,244
    speak for yourself mate, i bloody HATE cowboys.
  • AnofalyeAnofalye Member, Newbie CommonPosts: 7,433

    I think some "fantasy wyld west", such as werewolf Wyld West, would definitely be good.  But wild west alone...not sure.

     

    See, most wild west fans would accept a variation, even fantastic...and this fantastic variation is necessary to get a LOT more peoples.

     

    WereWolf Wyld West FTW!  Protecting Gaia!   

    - "If I understand you well, you are telling me until next time. " - Ren

  • AnofalyeAnofalye Member, Newbie CommonPosts: 7,433
    Originally posted by Xennith

    speak for yourself mate, i bloody HATE cowboys.
    WTS a tomahawk, $2, clearance sell bro!  Would accept a beaver fur for it!

    - "If I understand you well, you are telling me until next time. " - Ren

  • christosNoirchristosNoir Member Posts: 6
    Oh definitely I agree it would need something to stop it becoming stale and fantasy is probably the best thing for that and I never said there couldn't be elven/dwarfish cowboys, it just always seems to me that "fantasy" titles are stuck in some dull medieval times.
  • Busby05Busby05 Member Posts: 9
    Hmmm well Firefly Online is kinda a Western just sci fi ish.  So i'm guessing thats the closest your gonna get.
  • XApotheosisXXApotheosisX Member Posts: 277
    because theres no such thing as tier 2-3 items in the wild west ... no side arms that give you + 20 str ... so how can you sell a no loot game to the WoW dopes?
  • mehhemmehhem Member Posts: 653
    If it was done right and have some innovation then I think it could be a success.  I'd play it or at least keep tabs on it and open beta test it.
  • mehhemmehhem Member Posts: 653
    Originally posted by XApotheosisX

    because theres no such thing as tier 2-3 items in the wild west ... no side arms that give you + 20 str ... so how can you sell a no loot game to the WoW dopes?
    Possibly the devs won't want WoW dopes.  Or maybe the WoW dopes want to try something new and different!  Maybe your sidearm you looted gives you +20 aim, and maybe that nifty dagger or letter opener gives you some + str?  I wouldn't corner yourself into that box or you won't like any game besides WoW.
  • HakikoHakiko Member Posts: 103
    There is a PnP setting called Deadlands that would fit pretty well in an MMO (its available in D20 variety amongst others). Its been around for a while but never hugely popular. I would love it if someone offered me a way to live in the world of Stephen King's Dark Tower series, the could set it during the older times like described in the Wizard and the Glass.
  • VinzentVinzent Member Posts: 161

    Westerns just aren't popular now. The last truly great western movie was Unforgiven.

    Second, you really only have two factions: Cowboys and Indians. Both Human.

    Third: There's not a lot of variety in weapons. Rifle, Pistol, Knife, Tomahawk.

    Fourth: The American West isn't full of dangerous monsters. PvE wouldn't be that interesting.

    The only way to really get over these issues is to inject a lot of fantasy into it.

  • PunkMonkPunkMonk Member Posts: 483

    Actually, that would be realyl cool. Maybe no Wild West alone (and no wild west with werewolves..) but maybe a Cowboys and Indians game.

    The general landscape of the game could be sand (of course) with many salons and such as shops. Basically like a Faction Vs Faction game, the cowboys and the indians. They can fight in big PvP battles. Whatever.

    Theres just one problem with my idea. No one would be Indians for the reasons that in real life, the indians lost. Kind of a dead end idea cause the game would always be the same at endgame, indians losing.

    You know, this idea wasn't very good. Forget everything I wrote.

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  • fansedefansede Member UncommonPosts: 960

    Here are some links to tickle yer fancy ...

    http://news.mmosite.com/content/2006-09-25/20060925232932330,2.shtml

    http://www.wildwestsim.com/

     

    That being said.  I suspect a true historical western type mmo would be hard to design in the typical way we are used to playing one. Now a FPS might be more feasible.

    I suspect an innovative developer would have to mix some sci fi and fantasy to make the game

    Remember Arcanum? http://www.terra-arcanum.com/sierra/ 

    That could be a reasonable setting.

     Another could be http://wildwildwest.warnerbros.com/ .

  • mastervilemastervile Member Posts: 37

    The wild arms series of games would make a perfect setting for a mmorpg western. Take a look  at this link perfect canidate

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  • swede2swede2 Member Posts: 975
    1916 hogermatic air raid sirens , well that be the day pilgrim
  • fansedefansede Member UncommonPosts: 960

    Just some stray thoughts along this thread. Innovation of the designer is obvious. But perhaps you could incorporate a wild west theme with reasonable content.

    Setting : Old American West

    Professions: (if this would be the standard class based game)

    Soldier - This is your standard trained Federal Militiaman - Proficient in rifles, revolvers, artillery and some blades

    Gunslinger - A ranged marksman with proficiency in handguns, lasso and thrown weapons, brawling

    Monk - think Kung Fu 's Far East traveller visiting or escaped from from slavery. Martial arts skills with some herbalism

    Indians - Ranger types with skills in nature, bow and hatchets. 

    Medics/medicine men - healers of these factions. Except It aint no point and click. Healing in this age is like crafting. Your instrument table is the wounded player. Your knowledge and skills are necessary to keep that player from dying. Forget the in the heat of battle healing stuff. You can only support your "gang" via first aid measures in the heat of battle. You really shine in downtime.

    Engineer - while mostly a crafter type, If you take the wild wild west movie into account, you could incorporate some steam based mechanical marvels to assist your endeavors.

    Obstacles to overcome: Local wildlife, npcs, disease, etc.

    Mounts - yes                  

    Build / Manage a town - yes become a Sheriff to protect it from Outlaws or other players from robbing your bank. Keep your economy going with funds from cattle trading, booze, women, etc.

    Potential is there

     

     

  • MalianeaMalianea Member Posts: 314
    The game you are looking for is Frontier 1859.



    It was accepted as a Multiverse partner project 6 months ago, but he just lacks the funds to make it.



    Man i wish he would get funding though. I think his ideas are supreme for a Wild West MMO.

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  • ShanniaShannia Member Posts: 2,096
    I agree.  Frontier1859 looks amazing.  If I had the money, I'd definately fund this project.  There is just too much potential for this game.

    Fear not fanbois, we are not trolls, let's take off your tin foil hat and learn what VAPORWARE is:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vaporware

    "Vaporware is a term used to describe a software or hardware product that is announced by a developer well in advance of release, but which then fails to emerge after having well exceeded the period of development time that was initially claimed or would normally be expected for the development cycle of a similar product."

  • fansedefansede Member UncommonPosts: 960
    Originally posted by Malianea

    The game you are looking for is Frontier 1859.



    It was accepted as a Multiverse partner project 6 months ago, but he just lacks the funds to make it.



    Man i wish he would get funding though. I think his ideas are supreme for a Wild West MMO.

     

    Bought my Powerball ticket. Heres to hoping

  • jaxon1234jaxon1234 Member Posts: 17

    Ages ago I heard that Teppy of ATITD had plans to make Alvin's World.  Not really Wild West, but American pioneer days except where folk magic is real.  Would fall probably in the 1810s to 30s I'd guess, so equidistant from the American Revolution and the real Wild West.  I read the book series it would be based on, Alvin Maker by Orson Scott Card.  It would be a niche game, but probably wildly successful among its niche, like atitd is.

     

    I would definitely watch a Wild West style game also, I could see the Firefly one doing ok if it was made right.  It will be a tough line to walk, with the space theme and wild west as well.  Firefly pulled it off well with the backstory though, so I would definitely give it a try.

  • BabbuunBabbuun Member Posts: 333
    I think just going wild west is rather narrow. A late industrial revolution alternate reality MMO would be cool. Even with warring factions and Africa as a sort of constant battleground for late colonialism.



    Maybe a very grim game set in 1860-70 and the American Civil War never started. The Native Americans have gathered into a coalition that rules the West Coast and some of South America, as they came up with cures for diseases brought  by Europeans. Africa's being abused and fought over by just about everyone. China and Japan have managed to hold back "globalisation". The Arab slavers are doing great due to everyone wanting slaves to work in extremely bad industrial conditions.



    The cowboys could hang out in the U.S (or perhaps even C.S :D) with a much bigger native american threat on the frontier.



    Medical dogmas would be disregarded and Darwin's observations have led to excessive abusive medical and technological research of the human body, creating mutant and cyborg humans.



    So you'd have:

    -Multiple factions ("Free" Americans(or maybe even a remaining connection with France and Great Britain... or both), Latin Americans+Spain&Portugal, Native Americans, Chinese and/or Japanese and/or Koreans, The Arabs, Russia... And then there's of course a lot of other colonialist European countries: Holland, Germany, Italy) The easiest thing would be to combine countries into names that aren't real countries as not to offend existing places.

    -A lot of options on where to take technology.

    -The Wild West thing.

    -Pretty much every kind of landscape on the planet :D



    You could go a lot of interesting places with the technological revolution. The Wild West is quite a small theme.

    It would require quite a good team and quite a few history enthusiasts to sew it all into a cohesive and immersive setting, but I think it could be possible.
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