I have to agree with most of you guys posting here. LoTR isn't anything new. The main reason why anyone would play it is because of the franchise. I've been trying to stay away from franchise games since SWG's collapse. I think developers think no matter what they do they will get at least a small loyal cult following for said particular franchise. Hopefully Turbine will prove us all wrong and LoTR will actually be good, but sadly I'll read the books again and rewatch the movies and that will be enough of the LoTR theme I can take.
Originally posted by nevenias I am not a tolkien fan, i never read the books, i seen the movies, only liked 2&3.Though this game is going to be such a breath of fresh air, a game that has a quality story line to keep you intrested if you choose to go that path.Also to the nut that had a good laugh over the crafting system, you'll see, if you want to give it a shot it'll be open soon.
Have you played this game? Seriously is it just so bad out in the MMORPG world that you will just take it in the ass from these bullshit companies that don't create anything like it is sposse to be. I had my heart set on this game since day one of the release, huge tolken fan. Finally got my beta invite, played it and cried myself to sleep. Such a waste of time, if I wanted a clone of WoW(feel and setup), I'd just play WoW, but I don't therefore I don't play WoW and I won't buy this. It could have been so much more if it was brought on by say NCSoft or BioWare. Now it's no where and depressing. Turbine just can't get it right and never will. But you guys are entitled to your own opinions and I'm entitled to give two flying fucks about them. Sweet deal eh?
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Have i ever played the game? if i was and said it that would be breaking the NDA, though in about 3-5 years you will be able to enter into your own NDA's with out your parents consent.
Clone of WoW? surely i must have missed something? because isn't WoW a clone of every other MMO ever made? what MMO doesn't take certain things from other games and make it there own. if your talking about the UI then your nutz, there are at least a 12 other game out right now today that have the same UI.
If your talking about the graphics, then you need to swallow you meds not smoke them. The game is beautiful. heads and shoulders above WoW's cartoon inspired graphics, though i do understand your still in your cartoon phase, you'll grow out of it when you hit puberty.
I am not a tolkien fan, i never read the books, i seen the movies, only liked 2&3.
Though this game is going to be such a breath of fresh air, a game that has a quality story line to keep you intrested if you choose to go that path.
Also to the nut that had a good laugh over the crafting system, you'll see, if you want to give it a shot it'll be open soon.
Have you played this game? Seriously is it just so bad out in the MMORPG world that you will just take it in the ass from these bullshit companies that don't create anything like it is sposse to be. I had my heart set on this game since day one of the release, huge tolken fan. Finally got my beta invite, played it and cried myself to sleep. Such a waste of time, if I wanted a clone of WoW(feel and setup), I'd just play WoW, but I don't therefore I don't play WoW and I won't buy this. It could have been so much more if it was brought on by say NCSoft or BioWare. Now it's no where and depressing. Turbine just can't get it right and never will. But you guys are entitled to your own opinions and I'm entitled to give two flying fucks about them. Sweet deal eh?
Just remember that is a two way street.
"Many nights, my friend... Many nights I've put a blade to your throat while you were sleeping. Glad I never killed you, Steve. You're alright..."
Originally posted by nevenias LOL, do you kiss your mom with that mouth.?
Have i ever played the game? if i was and said it that would be breaking the NDA, though in about 3-5 years you will be able to enter into your own NDA's with out your parents consent.
Clone of WoW? surely i must have missed something? because isn't WoW a clone of every other MMO ever made? what MMO doesn't take certain things from other games and make it there own. if your talking about the UI then your nutz, there are at least a 12 other game out right now today that have the same UI.
If your talking about the graphics, then you need to swallow you meds not smoke them. The game is beautiful. heads and shoulders above WoW's cartoon inspired graphics, though i do understand your still in your cartoon phase, you'll grow out of it when you hit puberty.
LMAO that was fun thanks little guy.
I don't know what my mom would do and frankly I don't care, you'd have to give her a call since you know I've been out of the house for 5 years, but once again you ASSumed me a child just because I ripped on your point. You must have missed my nice (feel and setup) around the WoW part. It FEELS like WoW and is SETUP like Wow, I never said it was a direct clone. I'm saying given WoW and LoTR, I'd choose to play WoW since they have done it successful. What MMO doesn't take ideas from other MMOs? The next gen that's what, AoC, G&Hs they are all revolutionizing, LoTR was in the mix but didn't deliever just like Vsohs. Older games, FFXI(storyline system, cinematics ,unique grouping,x360 release), MXO(A whole new genre and world), SWG(The unique skill based system PRE-CU), EvE(Huge universe, sci-fi, playerbases, economics), AO(Sci-fi universe), to name a few.
I wasn't talking about the graphics, though they resemble WoW they are much more detailed, but calling them beautiful is one hell of a statement.
Any way glad I could make you look like a fool, good day.
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I'm pretty sure there are aspects of AoC that aren't original, being done in previous games.
It's level based - Just about every MMOG out there has character levels
As you progress in level you pick sub-classes - Horizons has similar with it's base schools and prestige schools
PvP Sieges - Dark Age of Camelot has done this in RvR
Heck, AoC's website even states:
" Varied gameplay – Besides bringing the most brutal experience ever seen in a MMO, Conan also promises to deliver what all fans of MMOs love and enjoy. Vast character customization opportunities, a deep character creation, lots of social opportunities, crafting, a deep and fun RPG system, exciting classes and player-made cities are but a few ingredients in this powerful RPG. "
So by your definition on this thread AoC isn't next generation because it is taking ideas from previous games. Now if it's next generation due to the features that are unique to it, I'll agree. That also by definition would include LOTRO as I can't think of a single MMO to date that let's the players play as Monsters. This in itself makes LOTRO the first game that can balance the game's PVP aspect and not effect PVE in any manner. All they have to balance is the player characters in respect to the mobs (PvE) and then the monster side(PvMP) against the player side.
Gods and Heroes, after reading their features page, isn't really showing anything new at all. They are expanding on a couple of things that are already in games, true. Revolutionary squad based combat? Sorry, Guild Wars has something along these lines. Not the exact same, but the same base idea.
No, it would have been much better if you had just said "Hey, LOTRO, not my bag. I think I'll play something else". That way you give a respectable opinion that people will give merit. Coming off as you did in your posts, well, let's just say if you took that tone in a bar you'd probably end up punched in the face. Having been in the Army and a few bar brawls for reasons like "Hey, you moved my beer" and "Why is that sailor on our side of the bar", I'm pretty sure it would happen. Wonderful thing about the web. People get to act like they can't in the real world, forgetting how to be cordial and thinking before they type. But, like you said, " you guys are entitled to your own opinions and I'm entitled to give two flying fucks about them. Sweet deal eh".
"Many nights, my friend... Many nights I've put a blade to your throat while you were sleeping. Glad I never killed you, Steve. You're alright..."
You know its really sad when people that haven't even played a game make excuses for the games design so the actual devs don't have to. Hashbrick is very much right. This game sucks, the devs don't listen, and seem to be attempting to put a bandaid on their mistakes with stupid things rather than fixing the actual problems (they make excuses about how it isn't possible when it most definately is possible) and offer things that a minority of players will take part (PvMP) in rather than that pretty much everyone will enjoy (housing). This beta was such a disappointment, you can't imagine.
Lets put it this way.... this game having the 7.0 hype that it has right now? It doesn't deserve it. Yall are going to be disappointed. Well, unless you're big WoW fans. In which case, you'll love it.
You know its really sad when people that haven't even played a game make excuses for the games design so the actual devs don't have to. Hashbrick is very much right. This game sucks, the devs don't listen, and seem to be attempting to put a bandaid on their mistakes with stupid things rather than fixing the actual problems (they make excuses about how it isn't possible when it most definately is possible) and offer things that a minority of players will take part (PvMP) in rather than that pretty much everyone will enjoy (housing). This beta was such a disappointment, you can't imagine.
Lets put it this way.... this game having the 7.0 hype that it has right now? It doesn't deserve it. Yall are going to be disappointed. Well, unless you're big WoW fans. In which case, you'll love it.
For starters I'm no longer apart of the Beta, so i can elaborate a bit on why i think your oh so wrong.
The Dev. team is by far the most active Dev. team I've ever seen in a Beta. Now that of course don't really mean squat on its own, but
There has been a few instances in where the Dev. team has put something in game that was a direct request from the beta testers
*Spoiler below*
For starters, they put in Dye's for clothing and armour-requested form the testers
then they added the ability to engrave certain crafted items-again a request from the testers
There where two winners of 'cloak' designs that will be put in game
Generic quests where put into the Monster Play area as requested by the beta tester's there is more then, raids, and PvP
These are just the ones off the top of my head, they where doing this ever since Alpha, so there are more
*End Of spoiler* Highlight the area above for the text.
Now in regards to your "band aid" why don't you give a few examples? or even 2. lets see what your really talking about.
And me and you have discussed the whole Monster play vs. housing thing before. You really need to understand that there is NO where to put thousands of housing units. Period.
slow out of the gate... but once word gets out that it IS NOT another DDO and actually a fun and solid game I think the numbers will slowly rise over their first year..
One year from release I'd say they could respectably be between 250k -500k.. which equals a good solid success in the MMO market..
You know its really sad when people that haven't even played a game make excuses for the games design so the actual devs don't have to. Hashbrick is very much right. This game sucks, the devs don't listen, and seem to be attempting to put a bandaid on their mistakes with stupid things rather than fixing the actual problems (they make excuses about how it isn't possible when it most definately is possible) and offer things that a minority of players will take part (PvMP) in rather than that pretty much everyone will enjoy (housing). This beta was such a disappointment, you can't imagine.
Lets put it this way.... this game having the 7.0 hype that it has right now? It doesn't deserve it. Yall are going to be disappointed. Well, unless you're big WoW fans. In which case, you'll love it.
So you know, as an absolute, that I haven't played this game? And by your statements I can tell you don't keep up too much with the game. Player housing will be in, evidence the recent dev chat. Now, it may not be in at launch, but it will be in. Hashbrick is right for himself, you and other gamers that think like you guys. That does not include the entirety of gamerdom. There are many, many people who don't agree with you. All MMOG gamers don't hang out on this site. There are exponentially more MMOG gamers out there than what frequent this site. I'd dare say not every single one, heck, not even a majority of them share the exact same view as you or me.
The only thing I'm saying is qualify your statements by saying "In my opinion", in so many words. Parading around and spouting out opinions left and right like they are the undisputed fact is a very weak way to make a statement.
"Many nights, my friend... Many nights I've put a blade to your throat while you were sleeping. Glad I never killed you, Steve. You're alright..."
Khala, what they're offering is EVENTUALLY guild housing (after the game has been released, sometime), not actually player housing. So yes, I know exactly whats going on.
newage, doesn't it suck that you can't control who posts where, about what, and when because you're not a mod?
Well, Moi, that's not how I read/interpreted the question and answer from the recent dev chat. "Character housing" and "Guild housing" are two different things to me. They (Turbine) have a very good understanding of what character housing means to many gamers who play these games. You can't be a developer in this genre and not know this. Again, it may not make launch, but the chances of it showing up post launch some time look pretty darn good.
Here is a link to the log of the dev chat for those who haven't read it yet.
Khala, these devs say alot of things and then change their minds, sometimes without even asking the players what they want. I don't trust them anymore. I've never seen a dev team like this one. Meaning, one that has less of a clue what they're doing.
Moi, I just disagree with you on that point. This is one of the few dev houses I will trust. Evidence DDO. They delivered on what they said they were going to do. Some people may not have liked it, but they told everyone up front what they were going to do. Who else you gonna trust? SOE? Blizzard? Sorry, I just don't see what they have done bring up issues of trust. If they said they were going to try to put something in and later found out they couldn't do it, well, that's life. If people beleive everything anyone promises them, they're in for a life of let downs and I have some ocean-front property in Arizona they might be interested in.
Nothing is 100% in a game until the game launches. Period.
"Many nights, my friend... Many nights I've put a blade to your throat while you were sleeping. Glad I never killed you, Steve. You're alright..."
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Though this game is going to be such a breath of fresh air, a game that has a quality story line to keep you intrested if you choose to go that path.
Also to the nut that had a good laugh over the crafting system, you'll see, if you want to give it a shot it'll be open soon.
Have you played this game? Seriously is it just so bad out in the MMORPG world that you will just take it in the ass from these bullshit companies that don't create anything like it is sposse to be. I had my heart set on this game since day one of the release, huge tolken fan. Finally got my beta invite, played it and cried myself to sleep. Such a waste of time, if I wanted a clone of WoW(feel and setup), I'd just play WoW, but I don't therefore I don't play WoW and I won't buy this. It could have been so much more if it was brought on by say NCSoft or BioWare. Now it's no where and depressing. Turbine just can't get it right and never will. But you guys are entitled to your own opinions and I'm entitled to give two flying fucks about them. Sweet deal eh?
Have i ever played the game? if i was and said it that would be breaking the NDA, though in about 3-5 years you will be able to enter into your own NDA's with out your parents consent.
Clone of WoW? surely i must have missed something? because isn't WoW a clone of every other MMO ever made? what MMO doesn't take certain things from other games and make it there own. if your talking about the UI then your nutz, there are at least a 12 other game out right now today that have the same UI.
If your talking about the graphics, then you need to swallow you meds not smoke them. The game is beautiful. heads and shoulders above WoW's cartoon inspired graphics, though i do understand your still in your cartoon phase, you'll grow out of it when you hit puberty.
LMAO that was fun thanks little guy.
"Many nights, my friend... Many nights I've put a blade to your throat while you were sleeping. Glad I never killed you, Steve. You're alright..."
Chavez y Chavez
I don't know what my mom would do and frankly I don't care, you'd have to give her a call since you know I've been out of the house for 5 years, but once again you ASSumed me a child just because I ripped on your point. You must have missed my nice (feel and setup) around the WoW part. It FEELS like WoW and is SETUP like Wow, I never said it was a direct clone. I'm saying given WoW and LoTR, I'd choose to play WoW since they have done it successful. What MMO doesn't take ideas from other MMOs? The next gen that's what, AoC, G&Hs they are all revolutionizing, LoTR was in the mix but didn't deliever just like Vsohs. Older games, FFXI(storyline system, cinematics ,unique grouping,x360 release), MXO(A whole new genre and world), SWG(The unique skill based system PRE-CU), EvE(Huge universe, sci-fi, playerbases, economics), AO(Sci-fi universe), to name a few.
I wasn't talking about the graphics, though they resemble WoW they are much more detailed, but calling them beautiful is one hell of a statement.
Any way glad I could make you look like a fool, good day.
I'm pretty sure there are aspects of AoC that aren't original, being done in previous games.
Heck, AoC's website even states:
" Varied gameplay – Besides bringing the most brutal experience ever seen in a MMO, Conan also promises to deliver what all fans of MMOs love and enjoy. Vast character customization opportunities, a deep character creation, lots of social opportunities, crafting, a deep and fun RPG system, exciting classes and player-made cities are but a few ingredients in this powerful RPG. "
So by your definition on this thread AoC isn't next generation because it is taking ideas from previous games. Now if it's next generation due to the features that are unique to it, I'll agree. That also by definition would include LOTRO as I can't think of a single MMO to date that let's the players play as Monsters. This in itself makes LOTRO the first game that can balance the game's PVP aspect and not effect PVE in any manner. All they have to balance is the player characters in respect to the mobs (PvE) and then the monster side(PvMP) against the player side.
Gods and Heroes, after reading their features page, isn't really showing anything new at all. They are expanding on a couple of things that are already in games, true. Revolutionary squad based combat? Sorry, Guild Wars has something along these lines. Not the exact same, but the same base idea.
No, it would have been much better if you had just said "Hey, LOTRO, not my bag. I think I'll play something else". That way you give a respectable opinion that people will give merit. Coming off as you did in your posts, well, let's just say if you took that tone in a bar you'd probably end up punched in the face. Having been in the Army and a few bar brawls for reasons like "Hey, you moved my beer" and "Why is that sailor on our side of the bar", I'm pretty sure it would happen. Wonderful thing about the web. People get to act like they can't in the real world, forgetting how to be cordial and thinking before they type.
But, like you said, " you guys are entitled to your own opinions and I'm entitled to give two flying fucks about them. Sweet deal eh".
"Many nights, my friend... Many nights I've put a blade to your throat while you were sleeping. Glad I never killed you, Steve. You're alright..."
Chavez y Chavez
Lets put it this way.... this game having the 7.0 hype that it has right now? It doesn't deserve it. Yall are going to be disappointed. Well, unless you're big WoW fans. In which case, you'll love it.
Lets put it this way.... this game having the 7.0 hype that it has right now? It doesn't deserve it. Yall are going to be disappointed. Well, unless you're big WoW fans. In which case, you'll love it.
For starters I'm no longer apart of the Beta, so i can elaborate a bit on why i think your oh so wrong.
The Dev. team is by far the most active Dev. team I've ever seen in a Beta. Now that of course don't really mean squat on its own, but
There has been a few instances in where the Dev. team has put something in game that was a direct request from the beta testers
*Spoiler below*
For starters, they put in Dye's for clothing and armour-requested form the testers
then they added the ability to engrave certain crafted items-again a request from the testers
There where two winners of 'cloak' designs that will be put in game
Generic quests where put into the Monster Play area as requested by the beta tester's there is more then, raids, and PvP
These are just the ones off the top of my head, they where doing this ever since Alpha, so there are more
*End Of spoiler* Highlight the area above for the text.
Now in regards to your "band aid" why don't you give a few examples? or even 2. lets see what your really talking about.
And me and you have discussed the whole Monster play vs. housing thing before. You really need to understand that there is NO where to put thousands of housing units. Period.
My personal prediction...
LotRO will be a sleeper hit..
slow out of the gate... but once word gets out that it IS NOT another DDO and actually a fun and solid game I think the numbers will slowly rise over their first year..
One year from release I'd say they could respectably be between 250k -500k.. which equals a good solid success in the MMO market..
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So you know, as an absolute, that I haven't played this game? And by your statements I can tell you don't keep up too much with the game. Player housing will be in, evidence the recent dev chat. Now, it may not be in at launch, but it will be in. Hashbrick is right for himself, you and other gamers that think like you guys. That does not include the entirety of gamerdom. There are many, many people who don't agree with you. All MMOG gamers don't hang out on this site. There are exponentially more MMOG gamers out there than what frequent this site. I'd dare say not every single one, heck, not even a majority of them share the exact same view as you or me.
The only thing I'm saying is qualify your statements by saying "In my opinion", in so many words. Parading around and spouting out opinions left and right like they are the undisputed fact is a very weak way to make a statement.
"Many nights, my friend... Many nights I've put a blade to your throat while you were sleeping. Glad I never killed you, Steve. You're alright..."
Chavez y Chavez
Well, I hope that the authors of all the immature crap I find on this forums is from the kids and fools I dont want to see in the game.
So please, post your opinion once, then leave this game and its forums forever because youre doing nothing new here.
Good luck whatever you do.
On saturday, beta starts for anyone who got a sincere interest in LOTRO.
newage, doesn't it suck that you can't control who posts where, about what, and when because you're not a mod?
Well, Moi, that's not how I read/interpreted the question and answer from the recent dev chat. "Character housing" and "Guild housing" are two different things to me. They (Turbine) have a very good understanding of what character housing means to many gamers who play these games. You can't be a developer in this genre and not know this. Again, it may not make launch, but the chances of it showing up post launch some time look pretty darn good.
Here is a link to the log of the dev chat for those who haven't read it yet.
http://mmopeople.com/forums/topic/31
"Many nights, my friend... Many nights I've put a blade to your throat while you were sleeping. Glad I never killed you, Steve. You're alright..."
Chavez y Chavez
Moi, I just disagree with you on that point. This is one of the few dev houses I will trust. Evidence DDO. They delivered on what they said they were going to do. Some people may not have liked it, but they told everyone up front what they were going to do. Who else you gonna trust? SOE? Blizzard? Sorry, I just don't see what they have done bring up issues of trust. If they said they were going to try to put something in and later found out they couldn't do it, well, that's life. If people beleive everything anyone promises them, they're in for a life of let downs and I have some ocean-front property in Arizona they might be interested in.
Nothing is 100% in a game until the game launches. Period.
"Many nights, my friend... Many nights I've put a blade to your throat while you were sleeping. Glad I never killed you, Steve. You're alright..."
Chavez y Chavez