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Marvel+Cryptic+Microsoft Vs. DC Comics+Sony+Warner Bros.

ZylusZylus Member Posts: 11
in City of Heroes




  I know this is probably somewhere around the forums here, but my post looks nice..=P



 While I am not sure how it will affect City of Villain's or City of Hero's; this might mean no more lawsuits from marvel. I was wondering what people think about a  new Marvel MMO.  If it was anything like the currant Marvel games would you play that type of MMO?



http://www.marvel.com/news/vgstories.655



Marvel Universe Online Trailer

http://crypticstudios.com/movies/Marvel_Universe_Online.wmv



While all this information has been floating around for some time, theres also talk of DC Comics, Sony Online Entertainment and Warner Bros. Interactive Entertainment Announcement Plans for Comic Book Icon Jim Lee to Work on MMO Game Based on the DC Universe.



http://www.timewarner.com/corp/newsroom/pr/0,20812,1167861,00.html

Comments

  • PunisherXPunisherX Member Posts: 231
    I will only play this if its like CoH and CoV where you can make up your own hero or villain! That's the only way!
  • ZylusZylus Member Posts: 11
    Yea, i hope the same.....I also hope they some how incorporate the story of there monthly issues for there comics, So you get stuff from in game contacts that are previously known marvel  characters...plus the option to be good or bad, but co-exsist. that would be cool and i would for sure probably subscribe to both games depending on how much better one is then the other.
  • PunisherXPunisherX Member Posts: 231
    exactly, and something like where you can go on quests with Marvel created characters like The Punisher, Spiderman, Doc Ock, or Green Goblin! That would be nice!
  • illeriller Member UncommonPosts: 518
    I honestly don't understand this deal.    Anyone who knows a lot about CoH the game, can actually draw more similarities between it and DC Comics universe than they can the modern Marvel Universe... both in setting and in conflict resolution.   Or maybe CoH is just more like Marvel's Early days, I really don't know.  But I do know if given the choice between a Marvel Cartoon and Justice League Unlimited I'd MUCH rather watch JLU so I'd probably take CoH or JLU over Marvel any day if we're talking about Computer games as well.   I find that Marvel and it's fans tend to take things TOO seriously,  to the point that it's Pure-Drama and just not fun for me personally.   I get the feeling that  a Marvel MMO would be more like an unpaying Job than it would be a fun casual game and I can't get behind that.
  • ZylusZylus Member Posts: 11
    Your right, Cryptic is more like DC then marvel but my guesses are that.....Marvel beat DC to the punch and Sued cryptic first then Cryptic probably kissed ass to make sure they dropped Lawsuit, then some one smart at marvel probably said lets not leave cryptic with out making some Money....Or it was  the hidden terms for Marvel Dropping the Lawsuit, this way there fans wouldn't hate them and they will still get something out of the deal ....but im just insane....lol
  • PunisherXPunisherX Member Posts: 231
    On what grounds could Marvel or DC sue Cryptic for making such a game. They have no rights to superheroes in general or superpowers. At least, I don't think they do! Do they? It's just another superhero game, in fact it is the best superhero game in my opinion. The only thing that could make CoH or CoV any better would be to make it free to play as well. I love the ability to make up your own superhero and give him a power you wish he had. Hats off to Crypic for making a game that doesn't revolve around just one superhero.
  • AnofalyeAnofalye Member, Newbie CommonPosts: 7,433

    I don't know Marvel initial intention, but I am pretty sure they where mean.

     

    However, Marvel must have come to their senses, as they plan on making a MMO, any of their existing fan considering a MMO would have know they sue, with no real reason, a company that brough them an alternative and open the market in the first place.

     

    Hiring Cryptic was the best move they could do to get out of the mess they put themselves into.

     

    I would admit that personnally I have a soft spot for Cryptic and for Warner Bros, while the other are okay despite some "evilness".  So...I made no decision yet concerning any future game, but they are both likely to be tried, even if I dislike superheroes as a genre, I like Cryptic enough to consider anything they do; even other superheroes games (heck, I try AA because of the shared link they have in NCsoft, and I have no regrets, but I wouldn't have tried AA without such first contact, maybe I am dumb, but I am honest about it).  Sony is always pretty good at making a LOT of advertisement and I have a soft spot for Warner, so I would also consider it (not that Warner is not excellent on it own advertisement-wise).

     

    I know the peoples at Warner would prolly be unable to do something as unzipping a file, or even registering at MMORPG.com would challenge their computer skills, but my mind always try to think positive.  So I won't see this as a SoE vs Cryptic production, I will see this as a Warner vs Cryptic, and I like both of them quite much, not that I really dislike SoE...but...SWG and EQ-raiding sure cut from an ethic point of view in my case (I didn't play SWG, but the changes and the discard of the jedis efforts, I mean, these players INVEST themselves a lot on an emotional level, duly noted, as a customer), so I goes with the member I prefer...even if I doubt Warner could beta the game properly without heavy supervision! 

     

    At any rate, I am gazing toward Stargate and BioWare mostly, with a few sideglances at WAR, Aion, HJ and a few other titles.

    - "If I understand you well, you are telling me until next time. " - Ren

  • XeroshadowXeroshadow Member Posts: 33
    Who cares.  When the games are released(Marvel or DC) the reviews will speak for themselves.  I'm not about to judge or spread hate on a game due to past releases or the company's history.
  • ZylusZylus Member Posts: 11
    Originally posted by Xeroshadow

    Who cares.  When the games are released(Marvel or DC) the reviews will speak for themselves.  I'm not about to judge or spread hate on a game due to past releases or the company's history.




    LOl.....so your one of those people that even tho your boyfriend hits you, you stay with him anyways...yea that last part is the strangest thing i have ever heard, i know people/company's change but sony has a bad past....what you said there is like going out with someone who has 13 charges of assault  you know another one is coming.
  • illeriller Member UncommonPosts: 518
    Originally posted by PunisherX

    On what grounds could Marvel or DC sue Cryptic for making such a game. They have no rights to superheroes in general or superpowers. At least, I don't think they do! Do they? It's just another superhero game, in fact it is the best superhero game in my opinion. The only thing that could make CoH or CoV any better would be to make it free to play as well. I love the ability to make up your own superhero and give him a power you wish he had. Hats off to Crypic for making a game that doesn't revolve around just one superhero.
    I don't know the whole deal because I'm just a gamer and artist, not a comic fan.  But the way I saw it explained, involved Trademarks and Likenesses which is something I DO know a lot about.  Apparently, this was almost entirely motivated by the Lawyers and Sheisters at Marvel, on the grounds that Cryptic designed costume pieces and components into CoH that allowed it's players to recreate exact likenesses of characters that Marvel held copyrights over.   However when the so called proof was compared by industry experts, it was widely held that there wasn't significant similarities down to the detail-level or significant motive.



        Both companies apparently settled, even though their whole claim rested on the premise that you can SUE someone just because they sell "tools" that allow their customers to recreate exact likenesses of Trademarked characters... if that was the case, then Disney and Warner could sue every Pen, Pencil, and Drawing-Software creator in the U.S. because they provide materials to do the same thing.  The ONLY reason that Cryptic was even in danger in the first place was that they retained commercial Property, or I.P. of all characters that the Players create in order to HOST them on their own servers to sidestep legal issues with their own clients.   (Meanwhile a game like Second life that allows player IP control, avoids these Trademark issues directly but leaves their players to fend for themselves against C&D orders and big-corporate gold-digging Trademark Lawyers.)



    Hope that helps.
  • XeroshadowXeroshadow Member Posts: 33
    Like I said Zylus, I will let the reviews speak for themselves.  It does not matter at this point.   Everyone has something against every company.  Just reading this forum and official CoX forums, there is no love for Blizzard.  You could spend your time on more useful pursuits instead of making horrible analogies.
  • ZylusZylus Member Posts: 11
    Originally posted by Xeroshadow

    Like I said Zylus, I will let the reviews speak for themselves.  It does not matter at this point.   Everyone has something against every company.  Just reading this forum and official CoX forums, there is no love for Blizzard.  You could spend your time on more useful pursuits instead of making horrible analogies.


    LOl that was a bad one... but i know what you mean.....I just like to hear what people think....hence the post.
  • primal303primal303 Member Posts: 8
    I saw the XBox360 logo at the end of that E3-no-gameplay-footage trailer and got frightened.  IMO, if released for PC and Console, that means that there will be a winner and a loser. Which side of the coin will the PC be on? I'm betting PC will get screwed. Mainly because MS doesn't build PCs, they build XBox360's. I can only hope I am very, very wrong. On another note, I hope the guides and gms get training on how to be <insert superhero/villan name here> or they are gonna have alot of pissed off marvel fans.
  • Deathstrike2Deathstrike2 Member UncommonPosts: 1,777
    Originally posted by Zylus

    Originally posted by Xeroshadow

    Who cares.  When the games are released(Marvel or DC) the reviews will speak for themselves.  I'm not about to judge or spread hate on a game due to past releases or the company's history.




    LOl.....so your one of those people that even tho your boyfriend hits you, you stay with him anyways...yea that last part is the strangest thing i have ever heard, i know people/company's change but sony has a bad past....what you said there is like going out with someone who has 13 charges of assault  you know another one is coming.



    Comparing a bad video game experience to getting slapped around is a little bit of a leap.  I'm with Xeroshadow.  If the game is good, I'll play it.  If not, they don't get my money.  Chances are, the devs that slapped you around are not the same as those on this project anyway.

    I hope they take everything that CoH/V did wrong or poorly, and make these games even better.  CoH isn't a real superhero game anyway.  It's more of a sidekick to a real superhero game.

  • PunisherXPunisherX Member Posts: 231
    I just hope that it will come out for PC, because if it doesn't, I'm not spending extra money for a XBox 360! Who's with me?
  • sacreddaykilsacreddaykil Member, Newbie CommonPosts: 396

    theyve already said its for both PC and the xbox, thats about the only thing we know atm.

    but i really hope they dont make it,like, "worse" just so you can have it on both pc and xbox ( what i mean is that i dont hope they get all the same, like graphics and stuff. though i dont know if the xbox got so much worse graphics)

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