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The Bush Speech Review
outfctrl
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(9:04) That's right. If we cut and run, Iraq could be another terrorist enclave like Taliban Afghanistan.
(9:05) 9 districts, 18 brigades. He should have broken it down by troops like Snow did. Maybe that's coming up.
(9:07) Why will this effort succeed?
(9:07) This time, Iraqi and American forces will have a green light to take 'em out and either the Iraqis go through with it or they lose or support. Good.
(9:11) We will hold them to the benchmarks they've announced. They will take responsibility for security by November. Oil revenues to all Iraqis. They will spend 10 billion of their own money on new jobs. More elections. Reform debaathification allows. We will help them get these things going.
(9:12) He should emphasized that they were taking over their own security by November more. I think that's the key to the whole speech.
(9:13) So Al-Qaeda wants to control Anbar and the Democrats want to pull our troops out while they're fighting and winning against them with the help of local tribesmen? Really?
(9:14) Iran and Syria are causing problems in Iraq. Iran is allowing attacks on us. We are going to disrupt them. It's about time! The Democrats will freak over this, I bet.
(9:15) This is the decisive ideological struggle of our time. Yes, it is.
(9:16) They are watching Iraq. Will the Democrats win and get us to give in to the terrorists or will we stick in there? Exactly.
(9:17) Deadly acts of violence will continue. No surrender ceremony, but it will mean a functional democracy, that polices its own borders. Yes, spot on.
(9:18) Scale back or withdrawal? To step back now would force a collapse of the Iraqi government, tear the country apart, and cause mass killings. That's the result of the Democrat cut and run strategy.
(9:19) Yes, how will the Democrat cut and run strategy help us "succeed" in Iraq?
(9:20) We need to increase size of the military.
(9:21) Times of testing reveal character. Will we quit and fail this time? Not if I have my way.
I liked this speech a lot because it revealed a workable plan, it gave people a key date to watch (Nov, 2007 for the Iraqis to takeover), and it did seem to explain the point of the surge. I love the fact that he told the Iraqi government that they have gotta move on these militias, they've got to fulfill their promises. He also warned Iraq and Syria. Great. Not a great delivery, but it seldom is with Bush. All in all, B+.
We are a nation at war. To fracture the U.S. government at this critical time will demoralize our troops and allies, and embolden our enemies. I support the Commander-in-Chief in this operation.
Dick Durbin's Response
(9:25) We must surrender to the terrorists! We must lose, lose, lose!
(9:26) We have given them so much, but we must allow them to collapse now, even though they only need until November to takeover security in their own country.
(9:28) We must surrender now, before Bush's plan has a chance to work!
(9:28) Bush wants to win. Durbin wants to surrender. Seems pretty straightforward.
Comments
The whole view that the world is in a struggle with evil terrorists and America, God's gift to the Earth, is leading the charge against the demon spawn from hell is overblown and used as justification. If this was truly the case, he wouldn't have to lie about to WMD among other things.
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You can see my sci-fi/WW2 book recommendations.
But pulling out now with a job halfdone, like the majoirty of americans wants is more idiotic than anything Bush ever did.
What i'd really love to hear is a constructive alternative from all the critics. It's easy to see Iraq is Outfctrl but what other options do we have?
Maybe they should've hung Bush for Christmass and made Saddam the president of the USA?
Seems Saddam was alot more experienced with killing Arabs and invading middle eastern countrys to steal their oil? Actually they should've pardoned him and made him Vice president to Bush, what a team those guys would've made!
Tony Blair would be the family pet.
"Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience"
CS Lewis
As usual my bullshit meter went into overclock mode. I guess 3rd time is a charm? Bush needs a reality check, people have been trying to help him with this but he is in his own little private world.
(9:19) Yes, how will the Democrat cut and run strategy help us "succeed" in Iraq? Both the dem and rep suck. The democrats make it look like they are concerned about things but never really do anything. The republicans act like the do things by royally fucking the country up.
(9:21) Times of testing reveal character. Will we quit and fail this time? Not if I have my way. In other words if this doesn't work my boy Jeb Bush will be coming in to take over things in the next presidency. Bush has no character anyway, he is a WMD himself to the entire planet.
(9:17) Deadly acts of violence will continue. No surrender ceremony, but it will mean a functional democracy, that polices its own borders. Yes, spot on. Basically you can't force a country to be a clone of another country. No matter how many Iraqi troops you train there will be people who will fight to the death for their beliefs. They feel they have been invaded and will protect themselves until the end.
(9:16) They are watching Iraq. Will the Democrats win and get us to give in to the terrorists or will we stick in there? Exactly. Typical political bullshit as always.
(9:19) Yes, how will the Democrat cut and run strategy help us "succeed" in Iraq? How exactly has anything Bush said or done helped anything in the past few years?
(9:18) Scale back or withdrawal? To step back now would force a collapse of the Iraqi government, tear the country apart, and cause mass killings. That's the result of the Democrat cut and run strategy. Blah blah blah political bullshit again.
Don't be terrorized! You're more likely to die of a car accident, drowning, fire, or murder! More people die every year from prescription drugs than terrorism LOL!
We have heard all this before. I don't see why you liked it so much outofctrl. A raging republican as you are, you also must be getting tired of his bullshit. Being against Bush and his plans doesn't mean you are against the war, republicans, or this nation, it simply means you are against him, the man who has countlessly lied to us.
This was nothing more than a slim chance at getting a little more public support for this atrocity of a war. It didn't work last time and I doubt it will work this time.
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Keebs
The MMO gaming blog I write for.
There are so many thousands of 'insurgents', having honed their skills in the terror training camp that is Iraq - perfectly created by the Bush Admin - that no matter how many you drive away, there will be just as many ready to return when you finally leave.
Iraq is so severely shattered into pieces by political and sectarian divisions that no real stability will be achieved. I can see the country being divided into three parts and at a constant civil war; that's about the only result I can see beyond the all out civil war that is happening now.
You have sections of the official Iraq government sponsoring death squads against political/religious rival factions etc. Iraq is essentially rotten from the core outwards.
It doesn't matter if you stay for another 5 years, or go tomorrow. When you DO finally go, the country is just going to descend into murderous oblivion.
I mean, you've seen the Iraqi 'security forces' on TV... You honestly think they have what it takes to fight back a holy war? Every clip you see of them they all just look completely shit scared.
Iraq isn't in a state of 'them vs the USA'. Iraq is fighting a three way (at least) way with ITSELF, as well as against the Allied troops. I honestly do not see any upside, any positive outcome.
It's just a horrid catch 22 for Bushie and his stringpullers... Get out now and decay into anarchy.. Leave in a year, after losing 2k more troops, and watch it decay into anarchy...
That being said;
I do love the way Bushie made out that it's Iraq's fault and that they have to sort out their problems, as though this one almighty shitfight of shitfights wasn't all his doing.
"(The) Iraqi people owe the American people a huge debt of gratitude." - George W Bush.
Oh. My. God.
except for the part where he said any failures in Iraq lie with me.
except for the part where he said any failures in Iraq lie with me.
Yea, but after he took responsibility I missed the part where he offered to be accountable and resign.
If we define the time to pull out as based on when Iraqi's can take over their own security...why hell, al Sadr's militia could do that tomorrow if we'd let them. Seems we don't want just any Iraqi to take over the security of the country though, we want our hand picked Iraqi to take over security of the country. And he is such a corrupt moron that will never happen. So, we will stay and train Iraqi security forces so they can desert to al Sadr at the earliest opportunity. At least when he takes over, his militia will be well trained.
From what I got out of it, the military's hands are no longer tied by political ropes. Which is great. You wouldn't believe the bullshit we had to put up with over there.
I'm glad our guys can finally chase down bad guys into restricted nieghborhoods and kill them.
Uh huh. Bring it on down now.
Damn byotch dat aint no friggn moon fool, dat be a friggn space station byotch.
You can hate Bush all you want, and I think he is one of the worst commanders in chief we have had, but what he said in his speech was pretty much right on. He admits to the reasons why this war was failing due to not enough troops, troops having too many restrictions on what they can do, and the Iraqis not doing their part of the job. Now that he has admitted to making mistakes and is putting a plan in to correct them people are still bashing him.
It is too late for us to just pull out and say to hell with it. If we pull out all of the problems we have with radical Islam are not just going to magically go away. Sooner or later we are going to have to deal with it and guess what, our troops are going to die. Thats what happens in war no matter if you like it or not. I think the real reasons why we are loosing this war is because of all the political correct bs and the leash that was put on our troops keeping them from doing what they are trained to do, kill the enemy. Heaven forbid some innnocent civilians actually get killed by our troops. I have never seen such a defeated attitude in so many americans before and I think that this country is turning into a bunch of political correct pussies who have forgotten what it truly means to have to fight for our way of life. More people have died in the US in a years time due to crime than the troops we have lost in Iraq but "OH NOES! R TROOPS R DYING!!!!"
Some of you people need to get real, WE ARE AT WAR with a belief that wants us to convert or die. Its not going to be pretty. Its not going to be perfect. Its going to be ugly as hell and mistakes have and will be made. Yes Bush did get us into this situation on false information and has made it worse due to very poor judgement, but now that we are in it we have no choice but to go forward. Its too late to turn and run now and besides, we are not France.
And you can bet your ass that we are going to war with Iran in the near future. Bush didn't pull out a general and put an admiral incharge and move another aircraft carrier to the region for nothing. I see mass bombing runs in Irans and possibly Syrias future. How do you think they are going to react when we start preventing them from supplying and training insurgents?
The Brave Do Not Fear The Grave
Maybe they will use their Chinese Silkworm surface to surface missile batteries to close the Straits of Hormuz, and the Chinese SAMs to protect the Silkworms. Carrier battle groups require alot of jet fuel to be effective. Two carrier battlegroups in the Persian Gulf are on the wrong side of the Straits of Hormuz to be resupplied if tankers have to pass those Silkworm batteries. That means the carrier missions have to go against the Straits, not the training bases. And China, who wants to be a player, has to decide whether to support their satellite, or let the US pound them. Players don't sit idly by and watch their satellites get pounded into oblivion.
Maybe China starts selling off US dollars.....or okays N Korea going south while they take Taiwan. Alot of counter options on the table, and the US isn't the only one holding cards. There's more than a few countries out there that would like to see the US take a fall. That's what happens when you're the hero on top of the world. Ever play a game called "king of the hill"? If you're the king, you'd better play carefully....
Uh huh. Bring it on down now.
lmao very true......but still...."hey everyone i fucked up ....again....know lets put 25k troops in Iraq to make meself feel better!"
Death's Little Helper, Watch your ass
He had to lie about WMD to gain British support. The American people didn't give a monkeys about WMD. For them it was unfinnished business.
Blair however was having difficulty selling the the war to his own population, and needed to gain U.N. support. In the end he got neither the support of the U.N. nor the backing of his people. Some lies are just too obvious.
Bush went out of his way to support Blair diplomatically with the WMD thing, but ultimately he was willing to go it alone anyway. He didn't need Blair so he didn't break his back trying.
It was until quite recently. Until U.S. troops took themself out fo the line of fire. (Or at least lowered their profile).
Bushes new tactics of garrisioning police house in Baghad will place them back in the way again.
And yes Iraq was a shitbed or trouble before the war. It has always been a shitbed of trouble. Why do you think Saddam had to kill so many of his own people? Because he is the son of Satan, or because his country was in an almost permanent state of civil war?
He looks like the current best bet to run the place, no one else looks anyhting like as strong as him.
He would be my choice.