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Rattrap · January 2007

I have been looking for VG for long time. We all know how stale MMO world was in 2006. Unfortunately like always I was not invited in beta , and even not to open beta.

Than the bad reviews started pouring in. People hate this game with passion , it is safe to say that.

Thanks to eurogamer i got my beta key, but i said..whats the point? 3 Days Downloading , for such POS ?

But I am very curious by nature , so i had to try it.

And , luckily i did.

I played it only one day , spend 3 hours trying to get my radeon X700 , 1 gig computer to run it. Finaly managed to squeze 15-25 fps

Out of it ... which is perfectly playable.

And what? Does the game sucks?

Yes , it has many , many, many gaping mistakes. But not only that , it is unfinished, and unpolished to the point of pain.

But hey! You said good points in Title?

Oh yes. There is a good point to Vsoh.

The enviroments!

Never ever in no other MMO , not even in TES Oblivion did not game had a more beutiful enviroments. And not only that!

They are huge! And yes, there are no hidden walls, you can go and explore everything. And everything i seen so far was beutiful!

Both nature and arhitecture...

Lush forests , rolling hills , the desert , great city in the trees , arabic style port ... no kidding A+ for the design!

I LOVE EXPLORING

And only this fact is quite enough to buy me

Monsters that i encountered looked great , Armor is positively the best i seen in MMOs so far.

Vsoh advertises that it had a famous artist doing Art Design for a game. AND IT SHOWS!

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Still not all is pink

Hugely advertized character creation is a joke at best. 2 types of hair for each race ?!

Completely same model (but resized) for every race (and it is a sucky model aswell)

Character creation leaves a LOT TO BE DESIRED!

Character animations , although not horrible as many state. Are just not very good.

And finally graphic engine could do with many many optimisations. (That are possible)

Will this things be changet before the release. I hope so ... but the reason says no.

Finnaly , will i buy Vanguard?

Yes!

Reason?

The game is very similar to wow or EQ2 , but the EXPLORATION bought me. Down the line in 6 month sor so (presuming they keep working on it) This game will be the top (old style) fantasy MMO

(AOC and WAR will probably take the title , but it is to early to tell)

Gidion · January 2007

Actually its 4 hair choices atm with promise of more close after release.

As to the rest of your post you make some good points. VG is very much laking in polish and is chock-full of bugs but to me it still feels like a vibrant world where I at least want to spend some time in the future....

Vegetto · January 2007

It's good cos it's better than SWG, i think is the general thought

PB&J · January 2007

I'm glad you tried it and didn't listen to a lot of the people here. The game gets better daily. They are patching daily. Last night was the smoothest night of play I've had in the entire beta. A constant 30 - 35 FPS. Now I just need to decide which class to play.

ChaulsinNL · January 2007

I actually enjoy the ingame map quite a bit too. Gives you a sense of actually looking for an area instead of it popping up on your map. Go north from here, down to where the river splits, etc.

hercules · January 2007

From the little i played of vangard i think its a quality mmorpg but by no means the most enjoyable.

But you know what after 2006 this is the best mmorpg to come out.Yes it was such a terrible year i can safely so nothing better has hit the market for over 1 year .

thepatriot · January 2007

Well this gives some hope for the game. I'm not willing to jump on the launch bandwagon anymore in hopes of a good game later, there have simply been too many bad launches in my past. Not going to waste my time and money until a game is stable. Since it's on the SOE all access I may pick it up later but only after it's proven to be stable.

However, the importance of a stable and complete game (as in there are no gaping holes in play ) is vital to any mmo. I cannot recall any game that botched launch and recovered other than SWG . SWG is the exception in that the IP is so loved that players were willing to put up with a bad launch and a game with no content hoping (as it turned out vainly) that SOE would finish and fix the game. So if, and I'm willing to concede that VSoH might have a good launch, the launch does go bad, will there be any players around to witness the prmised fixes and the added content?

I really want this game to succeed, I was really getting excited about it and it's promised innovations, but things are not looking good and they really haven't been for a while. Obviously all of the voracious calls to delay the launch and critisism of the game are not going to convince SOE to delay the game and prep it properly for launch so cest la vie, only time will tell. I'll let my anger at Sigil and SOE subside and hope they can pull this off, but history says otherwise.

Joekabuke · January 2007

Just downloaded the latest patch today. I am a bit disappointed. Looks like they haven't made any real changes to the graphics.

KRILE0N · January 2007

It's buggy because beta testers are to busy bitching about how crappy it is to do what they got invited to do. Test bugs. That's the point of betas. To test and fix these problems. To many people see it as a "Free Trial", which it IS FAR FROM IT. Reason being is games tend to change largely once released and it becomes a completely different game. So instead of people comeing here flapping their mouth on how awesome/shitty the game is how about yas go test it and help the problem instead of become part of it? Saddly I didn't make beta otherwise they'd atleast get 1 more "true" beta tester, but hey don't take my word for it. I'm just some random dude on the intraweb.

thepatriot · January 2007

Originally posted by _Kyle_

It's buggy because beta testers are to busy bitching about how crappy it is to do what they got invited to do. Test bugs. That's the point of betas. To test and fix these problems. To many people see it as a "Free Trial", which it IS FAR FROM IT. Reason being is games tend to change largely once released and it becomes a completely different game. So instead of people comeing here flapping their mouth on how awesome/shitty the game is how about yas go test it and help the problem instead of become part of it? Saddly I didn't make beta otherwise they'd atleast get 1 more "true" beta tester, but hey don't take my word for it. I'm just some random dude on the intraweb.

Except that the general purpose of "open" beta right before launch is to stress test the servers, not run down individual bugs other than those related to large amounts of players on the servers.

lemontree · January 2007

The reason for me trying out this game will be the "tough" penalty for dieing, i need that to motivate me and not many other games have that.

swede2 · January 2007

Originally posted by Joekabuke

Just downloaded the latest patch today. I am a bit disappointed. Looks like they haven't made any real changes to the graphics.

Why would they joe, Gee you mean there still awesome great thanks for letting us vanguard fans know

KRILE0N · January 2007

Originally posted by thepatriot

Originally posted by _Kyle_

It's buggy because beta testers are to busy bitching about how crappy it is to do what they got invited to do. Test bugs. That's the point of betas. To test and fix these problems. To many people see it as a "Free Trial", which it IS FAR FROM IT. Reason being is games tend to change largely once released and it becomes a completely different game. So instead of people comeing here flapping their mouth on how awesome/shitty the game is how about yas go test it and help the problem instead of become part of it? Saddly I didn't make beta otherwise they'd atleast get 1 more "true" beta tester, but hey don't take my word for it. I'm just some random dude on the intraweb.

Except that the general purpose of "open" beta right before launch is to stress test the servers, not run down individual bugs other than those related to large amounts of players on the servers.

You're right that it is to help stress test the server, but that isn't the only function. It is also to help catch any remaining bugs. It's easy to do that when you have more people playing and more people finding these bugs that would otherwise have gone un-noticed.

Somnulus · January 2007

I have to say this; for a game that has been in development for five years, it is more than a little mind-boggling how few avatar creation features seem to be implemented.

Not planned, mind you... but actually implemented.

Certainly, the ability to modify the scale of various body features is a nice feature. I guess I'm just honestly surprised at how few face textures, hair, facial hair, clothing types or ornamentation are available.

One thing that a third generation MMO definitely needs to nail from the outset is the ability for the player to create as unique an avatar as possible. The player's avatar should be recognizable from a sea of avatars, much like you have the ability to recognize a friend or a person you know from a crowd of people.

Not to say that there will not be some avatars with features that bear a resemblance to one another. I just think we've reached the point where it is possible to give the player the options to create a truly unique avatar to represent them and that if an MMO intends to represent itself as third generation (next-gen) they need to start there.

Dragohr · January 2007

Its not a full game yet.. beta..

Somnulus · January 2007

Originally posted by _Kyle_
Originally posted by thepatriot
Originally posted by _Kyle_
It's buggy because beta testers are to busy bitching about how crappy it is to do what they got invited to do. Test bugs. That's the point of betas. To test and fix these problems. To many people see it as a "Free Trial", which it IS FAR FROM IT. Reason being is games tend to change largely once released and it becomes a completely different game. So instead of people comeing here flapping their mouth on how awesome/shitty the game is how about yas go test it and help the problem instead of become part of it? Saddly I didn't make beta otherwise they'd atleast get 1 more "true" beta tester, but hey don't take my word for it. I'm just some random dude on the intraweb.

Except that the general purpose of "open" beta right before launch is to stress test the servers, not run down individual bugs other than those related to large amounts of players on the servers.

You're right that it is to help stress test the server, but that isn't the only function. It is also to help catch any remaining bugs. It's easy to do that when you have more people playing and more people finding these bugs that would otherwise have gone un-noticed.

Although you would normally be correct, because this is an open beta leading directly to release in approximately nineteen days, I have to seriously question how many bugs the Sigil team can correct from those that are being identified in such a short period.

Especially when you consider that so many features have not been completed or implemented, so they cannot be properly tested. Which implies that more bugs will be cropping up shortly after release as features are completed, on top of those not corrected previously.

I'm sure the Sigil team is working extremely hard to prepare Vanguard for as smooth a release as possible. I'm just not sure how effective those efforts can be in such a short time. Particularly when you consider the actual minimum system requirements to play the game smoothly.

WaRGaMeS · January 2007

Please realize the beta servers ARE NOT the launch servers. The crappy stability, animations, and even the customization are on the code for the launch servers. This is beta, stop judging this game based off what you see in the beta servers. When you report bugs they DO NOT fix the beta servers. They check the code for the launch servers and see if the same problem is there as well.

Also this game is most definitely a 3rd gen game. If you consider Oblivion a 3rd gen game than this is most definitely a 3rd gen game.

Poldano · January 2007

Originally posted by Vegetto

It's good cos it's better than SWG, i think is the general thought

You are very much on the right track, but I think I can expand on that a bit.

In terms of overall quality, my impression is that it is better now than SWG was 6 months after launch.

Flame on as you wish. A little overcooking doesn't hurt a good stew, and the burnt bits taste the best.

apocalance · January 2007

Originally posted by WaRGaMeS
Please realize the beta servers ARE NOT the launch servers. The crappy stability, animations, and even the customization are on the code for the launch servers. This is beta, stop judging this game based off what you see in the beta servers. When you report bugs they DO NOT fix the beta servers. They check the code for the launch servers and see if the same problem is there as well. Also this game is most definitely a 3rd gen game. If you consider Oblivion a 3rd gen game than this is most definitely a 3rd gen game.

Expect what you see right now to be what you get on launch. There won't be sweeping changes to the system on launch, it's too risky. Animations and things of that nature will be tested and implimented through a standard release management phase. The only thing the open beta servers may have on them that the release servers don't are probably debug traps to log a little more than they'll do on the release servers. And who knows, they may even have disabled logging to get a better idea of performance-live measure of the systems. Artificial load balancing can only take you so far.

Just my 2¢.

MagicMint · January 2007

Five years of development has been used to create the game world.

Dhampir · January 2007

I think it will be a great game......and just like eq2.....the issues of server stablity and other problems will be fixed in about 5 mths after release. After 5 yrs they have to make money now.

Rattrap · January 2007

Yes its a crap the game will be released unfinished.

But than again , i am so bored with todays mmos , that i welcome even this unfinished but early release

Lughsan · January 2007

Originally posted by _Kyle_

It's buggy because beta testers are to busy bitching about how crappy it is to do what they got invited to do. Test bugs. That's the point of betas. To test and fix these problems. To many people see it as a "Free Trial", which it IS FAR FROM IT. Reason being is games tend to change largely once released and it becomes a completely different game. So instead of people comeing here flapping their mouth on how awesome/shitty the game is how about yas go test it and help the problem instead of become part of it? Saddly I didn't make beta otherwise they'd atleast get 1 more "true" beta tester, but hey don't take my word for it. I'm just some random dude on the intraweb.

I have been submitting 20+ bug reports a day in 2-3 hour stretches over the last 6 weeks or so.. that's wayyyyyy too many at this stage of the game..

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