Balance and bye :)

bonafidee · January 2007

I've played this game for over a year and Ive finally got tired of the supposid "Balance" within this game. Blizzard buff casters, nerf melee. blizzard buff hybrids to be on par at all their abilities as a pure class is at their abilities. Paladins can tank like a warrior, Druids can heal like a priest, the list is quite long. Im just tired at blizzards inability to balance this game. ive given my account to a friend. bye Warcraft.

bonafidee · January 2007

You havent been doing much beta testing or reading if you dont know paladins tank better than warriors in the expansion, and druids heal better than priests. Pure classes have been suppassed by Hybrid classes in all roles.

bonafidee · January 2007

The only thing you need in the expansion 25 mans is Paladins, Druids and Warlocks, few others for buffs.

Lightleaf · January 2007

Actually, 8 million people are still loving it.

I'm one of them.

Take your bloitting somewhere else, please.

I support your free speech but your comments are old and cliche. World of Warcraft is indeed a great game, people just don't find their place in it as the other eight million people have. There's a certain element of fun to playing a cartoony game filled with all sorts of different people, races, areas and it just keeps growing. Yes, it's true, the lore is really, really un-original and could use some work, but at least six of the eight million do not care about the lore, and just the gameplay.

bonafidee · January 2007

yea i would love to see that, Come back and laugh with me when paladins are tanking all your instances

Ahotare · January 2007

I left over a year ago for more or less the same reason.

Occasionally I log on to the Official Site to read the Warrior class description for laughs

What you describe has been around for as long as there has been PvP, but Bliz is impervious to your arguments. You may want to try rolling an alt instead of waiting.

eshi · January 2007

yea i would have to agree with that, the lore is pointless, but then what does that have anything to do with the gameplay which is what we're talking about. The thing with WoW is that it is very nearly balances, because theres nothing taht you can do to really customize your character, everything is already hardwired into the game, theres no player tweaking, but in a way thats a downside, it means players will always just do the same thing over and over and over again, with no hope for change. What alot of people are beginning to realize is that single player games are coming to the online world, trust me on this one i know its a long shot but..., and games like WoW are the shock before the wave if you will. In other words, MMORPG's will be invaded with SINgle player games gone online, RPG games, and someday in the future there will be a seperation, my prediction is that MMO's will provide more player content, i.e. crafting, economy, in-depth harvesting system, it will be more community focuses, i.e. SWG, while the single player genre will be more combat oriented, i.e. WoW, GW. O well, this is only a guess, and please don't call me cliche because i've never heard this before, maybe this is an original idea on my part! WOOT WOOT!! lol

eshi · January 2007

o i forgot to mention that i did play, i quit because i felt it to be boring, i could go play BF2142 and get the same experience as i did out of WoW, but thats only my opinion and i'm not bashing WoW, just saying that i'm more interesting in MMO's that have stronger crafting and player communities.

eshi · January 2007

how do you spec properly, if WoW was really balanced all specs would work...

Lightleaf · January 2007

The specs for the game are supposed to bring out individuality, and in some way all of the specs are, in fact, balanced. Paladins can tank -somewhat- like warriors, because they wear plate armor. What you need to realize is that it's not that easy to find a certain class before doing end-game instances. For instance, instead of getting a priest, someone could pick up a restoration druid, holy paladin or shaman.

I currently play a Retribution Paladin, so I can tank somewhat, but no where near as efficiently as a warrior. Someone could play a Restoration druid, but that doesn't mean that they can out-heal a holy priest.

godpuppet · January 2007

Originally posted by Lightleaf

The specs for the game are supposed to bring out individuality, and in some way all of the specs are, in fact, balanced. Paladins can tank -somewhat- like warriors, because they wear plate armor. What you need to realize is that it's not that easy to find a certain class before doing end-game instances. For instance, instead of getting a priest, someone could pick up a restoration druid, holy paladin or shaman.

I currently play a Retribution Paladin, so I can tank somewhat, but no where near as efficiently as a warrior. Someone could play a Restoration druid, but that doesn't mean that they can out-heal a holy priest.

Individuality? PVP priests go shadow, Raid priests go Holy/Disc. PVP Wars go Feral, Raid wars go prot. How is that individuality. ITS COOKIE CUTTER!

Blizzard totally failed in that regard.

Godliest · January 2007

Originally posted by godpuppet

Originally posted by Lightleaf

The specs for the game are supposed to bring out individuality, and in some way all of the specs are, in fact, balanced. Paladins can tank -somewhat- like warriors, because they wear plate armor. What you need to realize is that it's not that easy to find a certain class before doing end-game instances. For instance, instead of getting a priest, someone could pick up a restoration druid, holy paladin or shaman.

I currently play a Retribution Paladin, so I can tank somewhat, but no where near as efficiently as a warrior. Someone could play a Restoration druid, but that doesn't mean that they can out-heal a holy priest.

Individuality? PVP priests go shadow, Raid priests go Holy/Disc. PVP Wars go Feral, Raid wars go prot. How is that individuality. ITS COOKIE CUTTER!

Blizzard totally failed in that regard.

Disagree with u. There are usually some guys who wants to specc feral even tho they raid. There are alot of warriors who are not pro and still play in raids, they take roles as dmg dealers. Just because u wanna PvP/raid doesn't mean u have to be locked to one specc.

Fatez · January 2007

Its Fury for War's - Feral is Druid

Raztor · January 2007

Time to update your signature Recant

"Haters love to hate it. 7 Million people are having too much fun to argue." is no longer true.

godpuppet · January 2007

Originally posted by Fatez

Its Fury for War's - Feral is Druid

Well done for pointing out a typo...

godpuppet · January 2007

Originally posted by Godliest

Originally posted by godpuppet

Originally posted by Lightleaf

The specs for the game are supposed to bring out individuality, and in some way all of the specs are, in fact, balanced. Paladins can tank -somewhat- like warriors, because they wear plate armor. What you need to realize is that it's not that easy to find a certain class before doing end-game instances. For instance, instead of getting a priest, someone could pick up a restoration druid, holy paladin or shaman.

I currently play a Retribution Paladin, so I can tank somewhat, but no where near as efficiently as a warrior. Someone could play a Restoration druid, but that doesn't mean that they can out-heal a holy priest.

Individuality? PVP priests go shadow, Raid priests go Holy/Disc. PVP Wars go Feral, Raid wars go prot. How is that individuality. ITS COOKIE CUTTER!

Blizzard totally failed in that regard.

Disagree with u. There are usually some guys who wants to specc feral even tho they raid. There are alot of warriors who are not pro and still play in raids, they take roles as dmg dealers. Just because u wanna PvP/raid doesn't mean u have to be locked to one specc. Actually you do, becuase your guild will have somebody who is prot tank in your stead, holy priests get invites to ZG over shadow priests. You dont spec for raids, you lose out.

Parsifal57 · January 2007

Originally posted by Recant

Druids can heal like a Priest!? .........................

Paladins can tank like a Warrior................ ?

Whatever you're smoking, pass it over here please.

Obviously he's smoking something better than you, resto druids can heal as well as a priest (better in fact in some cases) they lack the heal agro reduction that priest can spec but since that seems to have been nerfed by Blizzard (intentionally or accidentally) its now a close run thing.

Paladins with the pre BC changes can in fact tank pretty well, they lack some of the taunt abilities that a warrior may have, but look to a lot of secondary/assist tank roles in BC to start moving to paladins (especially in the Horde where there will be an invasion of BE Pallys).

Btw. Just throwing out a subscription figure does NOT mean that the game is perfect or that it is well balance or even that Blizzard know what they are doing, they have made enough mistakes recently to indicate that they are pretty clueless when it comes to their own game. The only reason 7 million play is 1 - 59 the game is fun and suites a lot of peoples requirements and the flock of sheep effect (i.e. people play it just because other people play it).

Btw. I am a current WoW subscriber with 2 accounts and 2 copies of BC on order, but at least I can be realistic and say WoW does have its problems , quite a few actually some minor, some major but at this point in time it suites me.

However that may change i'm currently watching AoC, CoS and Warhammer Online, if any one of those fits me better than WoW i'll be gone without any regrets.

Parsifal57 · January 2007

Originally posted by eshi

o i forgot to mention that i did play, i quit because i felt it to be boring, i could go play BF2142 and get the same experience as i did out of WoW, but thats only my opinion and i'm not bashing WoW, just saying that i'm more interesting in MMO's that have stronger crafting and player communities.

And that is my main problem with WoW, if there is lore it should be more part of the game. Things you find in true MMORPG'd (Don't forget WoW calls itself a MMORPG not a MMO) are missing or simply not implmented with any degree depth, such as character customization, tradeskills, housing (guild/personal) , PvP (want decent PvP go play one of the many other PvP centric MMO's out there, the list goes gone.

Recent changes in the game seem to indicate Blizzard IS trying to balance PvP but in typical Blizzard fashion a change that may work well in PvP messes up the PvE aspect of the game, or worse a perfectly acceptable skill in PvE is found to be overpowering in PvP and is nerfed across the board. Balance with Blizzard is always overcompensation and without thought to the overall effect of the change in both major aspects of the game (PVP/PvE).

Eventually if they go down the path they appear to have chosen a lot of PvE'rs will leave the game because of the changes currently being made by Blizzard. I'd love to see Blizzard actually adjust powers to have different effects in PvP vs PvE roles but the game was not designed to allow that, it was originally touted as a PvE game with a little PvP thrown in , however the current Balance issues and Blizzards attempt to almost force PvP on people are revealing some major flaws in the game design.

Still A Wow player and still enjoying it, but BC may be the death Knell for the game for me , we'll have to wait and see.

BadSpock · January 2007

Originally posted by Parsifal57

Originally posted by eshi

o i forgot to mention that i did play, i quit because i felt it to be boring, i could go play BF2142 and get the same experience as i did out of WoW, but thats only my opinion and i'm not bashing WoW, just saying that i'm more interesting in MMO's that have stronger crafting and player communities.

And that is my main problem with WoW, if there is lore it should be more part of the game. Things you find in true MMORPG'd (Don't forget WoW calls itself a MMORPG not a MMO) are missing or simply not implmented with any degree depth, such as character customization, tradeskills, housing (guild/personal) , PvP (want decent PvP go play one of the many other PvP centric MMO's out there, the list goes gone.

Recent changes in the game seem to indicate Blizzard IS trying to balance PvP but in typical Blizzard fashion a change that may work well in PvP messes up the PvE aspect of the game, or worse a perfectly acceptable skill in PvE is found to be overpowering in PvP and is nerfed across the board. Balance with Blizzard is always overcompensation and without thought to the overall effect of the change in both major aspects of the game (PVP/PvE).

Eventually if they go down the path they appear to have chosen a lot of PvE'rs will leave the game because of the changes currently being made by Blizzard. I'd love to see Blizzard actually adjust powers to have different effects in PvP vs PvE roles but the game was not designed to allow that, it was originally touted as a PvE game with a little PvP thrown in , however the current Balance issues and Blizzards attempt to almost force PvP on people are revealing some major flaws in the game design.

Still A Wow player and still enjoying it, but BC may be the death Knell for the game for me , we'll have to wait and see.

I hope this is Parsifal from Dalaran because if so this is Kaedin!

Palidans cannot tank as well as warriors, they may have just as good of armor/weapon options but a defensive spec warrior can out tank a pally and feral druid combined. Maybe a pally could outtank a fury spec warrior but I doubt an arms spec and by NO means a defensive spec. tanking is only 1/3 about absorbing damage and 2/3 about holding/building/aquiring aggro. aggro aggro aggro. i'd pay money to see any palidan keep aggro better then a defensive spec tank.

Druids/Palidans/shaman if speced for it are suppose to be comparible to a Holy spec Priest in terms of healing abilitiy. Druids and Priests have an advantage in the healing department in terms of gear (i.e. their tier .5-3 sets) priests can do and need to do a lot more for groups then just heal, as do druids, and shaman, so even if they are the "healer" in a group, the differences between them in healing ability may not be too noticable but HUGE in terms of other abilities they possess to help the group.

The game has not really become more PVP oriented at all it's just people interpret it that way because a LOT of people having been PVP'ing like mad since they redid the honor system. Why do you think Blizz released this patch before BC? So people 1. had something to do while waiting for BC and 2. had good chance to improve their gear before expansion hit... it's same reason the released the new talents before BC comes out, new talents and abilities made every class better at what they do and thus made dungeons/raids easier and why? to give people better chance/opportunity to get better gear before BC comes out...

They are very smart...

many people feel PVE has been ignored in comparison and Blizzard is shafting PVE players for PVP but that is simply not true... what is Blizz doing in BC for PVP?

1. one yes ONE new battleground

2. arena system

3. pvp objectives in outland zones

So not allll too much at all.

Now what are they doing for PVE?

1. raising level cap to 70, adding a new continent full of PVE content including quests, items, dungeons, raids, mounts

2. redesign raid system to have 2 difficulties and lowering max # of players to 25 in order to make raid content more accessible to everyone

3. they say (not sure because not beta tester) that it is suppose to take as long to get 60-70 as it was for 1-60. this means that their will be hundreds of new quests and things to do in the new continent to fill this time with meaningful content... so if this is correct then they've doubled the PVE content

'Nuff said

retrospectic · January 2007

Originally posted by bonafidee

I've played this game for over a year and Ive finally got tired of the supposid "Balance" within this game. Blizzard buff casters, nerf melee. blizzard buff hybrids to be on par at all their abilities as a pure class is at their abilities. Paladins can tank like a warrior, Druids can heal like a priest, the list is quite long. Im just tired at blizzards inability to balance this game. ive given my account to a friend. bye Warcraft.

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