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OK so they didn't reinvent the wheel, but... *** BASHING ***
Chikaca
Member Posts: 62
OK so it's been established that this game doesn't really have new features.
Except maybe diplomacy (a card game).. oh and I don't remember fighting against R2D2.. err J2E sentrys (metallic robot like things) with swords and daggers before in a MMO. So thats definitely NEW I think! Hey it's SWG and EQ in the same game!
Anyways while they didn't reinvent the wheel and I do not say that every game MUST have ground-breaking new features, but I do think they should have something compelling going for the game at least. What is it in Vanguard? Can someone please point this out for me? Because honestly I can not come up with anything compelling in this game.
Every great seller novel or movie have a compelling storyline / theme / plot in them. What makes the viewer give a damn about the whole thing. Something to follow / to hang on to. Feel being a part of.
Everquest was basically a grind game, but it at least started out with a decent story I was hooked because of that. I wanted to follow the story and go to the places I had read about and feel like I was actually living that story. It was really fun through the Kunark and Velious expansions, but it kinda lost it after that.. I guess it was because they hadn't really given it that much though after that. The game was not planned to live that long.
I feel Vanguard is missing "a soul". The game is BIG. It's OK looking, but I don't give a damn about it.
Could this game be any more of a timesink?
BTW! Do not come here to whine about the haters bashing whatever... There was a warning in the title so suck it up!
Except maybe diplomacy (a card game).. oh and I don't remember fighting against R2D2.. err J2E sentrys (metallic robot like things) with swords and daggers before in a MMO. So thats definitely NEW I think! Hey it's SWG and EQ in the same game!
Anyways while they didn't reinvent the wheel and I do not say that every game MUST have ground-breaking new features, but I do think they should have something compelling going for the game at least. What is it in Vanguard? Can someone please point this out for me? Because honestly I can not come up with anything compelling in this game.
Every great seller novel or movie have a compelling storyline / theme / plot in them. What makes the viewer give a damn about the whole thing. Something to follow / to hang on to. Feel being a part of.
Everquest was basically a grind game, but it at least started out with a decent story I was hooked because of that. I wanted to follow the story and go to the places I had read about and feel like I was actually living that story. It was really fun through the Kunark and Velious expansions, but it kinda lost it after that.. I guess it was because they hadn't really given it that much though after that. The game was not planned to live that long.
I feel Vanguard is missing "a soul". The game is BIG. It's OK looking, but I don't give a damn about it.
Could this game be any more of a timesink?
BTW! Do not come here to whine about the haters bashing whatever... There was a warning in the title so suck it up!
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All the times in the interviews, they talk about all of the new features they were adding, they never mentioned fun IIRC. No magic patch can put fun into this game as it is. Trying to talk about it on the Vanguard forums just gets you flamed by the vanboys there.
The cities feel dead, there is no real wildlife to speak of. The world just feels bleh.
WoW, for its faults, had some life. You had deer and rabbits running around, glowing eyes in the bushes in various areas. NPCs still seem kinda lifeless and just stand there all the time though.
Main thing that pissed me off, Vanguard promised to be revolutionary, all these wonderful things. And they went back on their word on almost everything.
Fun is what you make of it if I think sigil did a pretty good job myself if you go through the city and actually talk to every npc , yes they dont say much but it does give you a feel for that place no game is ever going to be able to make everyone happy i guess i like it because i feel free in there i dont need all the crap that going to be in 3rd gen games like voice acting on npc's thats annoying as hell after a while just play oblivion, or npc's that have lifes once again play oblivion lol ,was real fun trying to catch a quest target when he traveled all over the game Had to go spend 35 bucks on a book just to enjoy that game
No sometimes you have to have the ability to use your own imagination so keep looking am sure some game developer will figure out how to put that in for ya all
The hook for me is building a character ,along side my wifes and just playing thats all i need cause i have the ability to play games without walking around picking them apart for everything really helps you enjoy games more
People don't ask questions to get answers - they ask questions to show how smart they are. - Dogbert
One of the things I see going for this game is it's scale and variety of the world. From what I read in the forums it is immersive, and when the game is more polised, in a few months time, I think it will be one of it's strong points.
Sorry to jump off topic really quick, but WoW revolutionized the way MMORPG's are approached. They removed the grind from the game, made combat FLUID and fun, they gave players the freedom to make addons for the game that could enhance the game (I know EQ 1/2 had UI mods but nothing compared to this). Granted there were a lot of things they used and just made much better than those before them.
The only flaw in WoW is it's mass appeal and the fact that with that brings a lot of idiots and children. Sure there are some simplistic features, if by simplistic you mean intuitive, but it takes a lot more than a 10 year old to actually maximize a character and learn to time some abilities to make yourself the most effective class (in pvp). /rant off
As for VG, I was in since beta 3, I was hoping/waiting/dreaming for them to finally do SOMETHING inspiring. I've beta tested nearly every MMO to come out snice 2000 and I kept waiting for them to start adding "life" to the game. As of now cities/towns seem as if you were to walk into a major city and it was filled with mannequins, granted it's an artificial world but it should at least "seem" alive within its' own confines.
To their credit they are revising a LOT of things right now. Supposedly the combat system is on the horizon, I'll believe it when I see it. But their current system is horrible. It's 2006 no one wants to play "What EQ2 should have been", it's dead and gone and this needs to be its' own game or it will flop.
Main problem with the game is that most of the support for it is from "Hardcore RPers" who think that a quality game means less features and more difficult and clunky...well...everything. If they get their way the game will be so horrible to level that they won't have to deal with Hardcore players because they won't want to stick around to spend a year to level while it takes three years for the "Hardcore RPer".
Just because every car has similar features doesn't mean that Ferraris are copies of Model Ts. Progress requires failure and refining.
People don't ask questions to get answers - they ask questions to show how smart they are. - Dogbert
If you have to revamp the combat system that many times, its time to hire someone who knows that they are doing...
Cities have tons of life, it's called the players. 4k people on each server at peak, that's not dead. There is plenty of wildlife, pigs and wasps and wolves and hyenas and all kinds of stuff roaming around, solo and in packs too. Try having a friggin clue before bashing a game.
Name one thing Vanguard went back on their word on. Even inquisitor they have been honest about for months saying it might not be in release. Nice troll post, but lies are easy to disprove.
And Vanguard is hugely fun, it's the only game I have had the urge to take a day off work for since Ultima Online.
I think you are playing a different Vanguard than me. You say it has nothing to do with lag, but what system do you have? The character models, armor and animations look awesome on my rig. Really think it is a performance issue which likely isn't completely your fault, although you will need a nice system to play Vanguard on full.
The graphics are stunning. 99% of the time if you don't agree, it's because of your system and the Vanguard poor performance on mid to low level gaming rigs.
I do agree there needs to be something to pull you farther in. There is some great lore on the website and I hope that is utilized more in the game. Maybe some theatrical panoramic when you visit areas for the first time. Even a birds eye view of your conversations with important NPC's kind of like GW. I know these aren't needed but would add that life some have said is not there.
As far as great features I think this game is full of them. Open world for one (no bottle-necking). The ability to build a ship and navigate it to another continent. Finding a lot, building a house and filling it with looted items. Having a Griffon as a land / air mount you can freely fly in the world. Some might view the Diplomacy system as just a card game but it's really fun and I guess you can only get certain items by Diplomacy.
I understand people being upset. Some waited years for this game to come out and expected every game they liked rolled into one and a whole lot more. I certainly did. Personally I think they accomplished that. There needs to be some sparkle added but I think that's not being added yet due to Sigil wanting performance problems solved first. I might be wrong but I will remain hopeful.
Just not worth my time anymore.
I think you are just a troll now. I didn't before, but this post confirms it. Just a troll rubbernecker hoping for a game to watch crash. Well it won't be Vanguard pal. Must suck to be this bored, I really hope you're at work on your coffee break like I am. If you're not, go on ebay and purchase a life.
There are plenty of game in development I think will suck, but I haven't spent one second on any of their boards bashing them. You trolls are so sad lol I really pray that you get a life. You know who you are. Posting bashing rhetoric every damn day here. You suck.
I think you are just a troll now. I didn't before, but this post confirms it. Just a troll rubbernecker hoping for a game to watch crash. Well it won't be Vanguard pal. Must suck to be this bored, I really hope you're at work on your coffee break like I am. If you're not, go on ebay and purchase a life.
There are plenty of game in development I think will suck, but I haven't spent one second on any of their boards bashing them. You trolls are so sad lol I really pray that you get a life. You know who you are. Posting bashing rhetoric every damn day here. You suck.
Well, when a game isnt entertaining, I am glad ppl like you fill that gap. Thanks... go on...
People don't ask questions to get answers - they ask questions to show how smart they are. - Dogbert
I think you are just a troll now. I didn't before, but this post confirms it. Just a troll rubbernecker hoping for a game to watch crash. Well it won't be Vanguard pal. Must suck to be this bored, I really hope you're at work on your coffee break like I am. If you're not, go on ebay and purchase a life.
There are plenty of game in development I think will suck, but I haven't spent one second on any of their boards bashing them. You trolls are so sad lol I really pray that you get a life. You know who you are. Posting bashing rhetoric every damn day here. You suck.
Listen it's not that we want to bash VSoH. We are veterans in MMORPGs, I suspect you are not. I have played since UO dominated the MMO world, and I hate to see repetitive junk put out over and over. VSoH is only in Beta and we can not give an honest evaluation yet. However, we are just stating that it looks and feels a lot like EQ. Although I have been a WoW basher for almost a year now, it is the only good MMORPG out there at this moment. The others have fallen due to time and technology. We vets expect to see more when it comes to 3rd gen mmorpgs. Don't be suckered by a game that just reinvents the wheel. VSoH appears that they tried too hard to make the ultimate game. By doing so they made a large, unappealing world with what appears will be extremely laggy even on high-end machines that would be able to play WoW without a hiccup. I don't want to bash your beloved VSoH, like you I hope that it turns out great. Unfortunatly, the graphic base is sometimes better to go the cartoon route like WoW then try and make it look like RL and end up making a shaky graphic game. I'm willing to give it time before I throw in the towel, but I think it's safe to say that this stage in beta it needs a great deal of work.
I think you are just a troll now. I didn't before, but this post confirms it. Just a troll rubbernecker hoping for a game to watch crash. Well it won't be Vanguard pal. Must suck to be this bored, I really hope you're at work on your coffee break like I am. If you're not, go on ebay and purchase a life.
There are plenty of game in development I think will suck, but I haven't spent one second on any of their boards bashing them. You trolls are so sad lol I really pray that you get a life. You know who you are. Posting bashing rhetoric every damn day here. You suck.
Listen it's not that we want to bash VSoH. We are veterans in MMORPGs, I suspect you are not. I have played since UO dominated the MMO world, and I hate to see repetitive junk put out over and over. VSoH is only in Beta and we can not give an honest evaluation yet. However, we are just stating that it looks and feels a lot like EQ. Although I have been a WoW basher for almost a year now, it is the only good MMORPG out there at this moment. The others have fallen due to time and technology. We vets expect to see more when it comes to 3rd gen mmorpgs. Don't be suckered by a game that just reinvents the wheel. VSoH appears that they tried too hard to make the ultimate game. By doing so they made a large, unappealing world with what appears will be extremely laggy even on high-end machines that would be able to play WoW without a hiccup. I don't want to bash your beloved VSoH, like you I hope that it turns out great. Unfortunatly, the graphic base is sometimes better to go the cartoon route like WoW then try and make it look like RL and end up making a shaky graphic game. I'm willing to give it time before I throw in the towel, but I think it's safe to say that this stage in beta it needs a great deal of work. Yup I fully agree on this, I really hope that vanguard will be the game Ive been waiting for, I've been following the development for almost a year now. But if I look at the posts regarding the beta, I'm beginning to fear the worst.
Every one needs to keep an open mind about this game. It may not be revolutionary, but I think it has been able to improve on some MMORPG qualities – one of them being, the game world. I often find them to all be small and confining. Another thing I think they have done better is the mounts. I like the idea of being able to get a mount a bit earlier in game. In addition, I love the flexibility with flying mounts. Yes, WOW has flying mounts, but you need to be level 70 in order for that to happen. We will all just have to wait and see in a few months if the game can improve to a point where it is finished, finished.
all this boils down to is vanguard has to think of themselfs aswell if something works and people are buying it then go for it.. but if you decide to take these "NEW" ideas and the world isnt ready for them yet and because of witch it fails that would be a major loss
all in all i hope i dont see any giant smurfs in vanguard any time soon
I like the the game so far. Is it the next best thing since sliced bread no, but I am not one of these people who looks for the negatives in everything. I have played pretty much every mmo since Ultima also before anyone asks. Sometimes its about what you make of it. I tink with a dedicated fanbase giving some good feedback to the devs this could be a great game.
As the poster above says I don't think sweeping changes that could ruin the game should be implemented just because the playerbase says so are neccesary, but looking at all the feedback and gleaning things from it that they themselves just overlooked can greatly round out thier vision of what the game should be!
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I think you are just a troll now. I didn't before, but this post confirms it. Just a troll rubbernecker hoping for a game to watch crash. Well it won't be Vanguard pal. Must suck to be this bored, I really hope you're at work on your coffee break like I am. If you're not, go on ebay and purchase a life.
There are plenty of game in development I think will suck, but I haven't spent one second on any of their boards bashing them. You trolls are so sad lol I really pray that you get a life. You know who you are. Posting bashing rhetoric every damn day here. You suck.
Anarchyart you were calling me a troll when I was bashing DnL and looked how that turned out. You just need to realize that sometimes games just suck and Devs fail on their game plans, Stuff happens ok, these are game boards to discuss them , both thier good and bad points.
For the poster who talked about WoW. I hated that game, I was the EQII fan, my brother the WoW fan. I was in one beta he was in the other so guess what, we both ended up testing each game. However I digress, as much as I disliked WoW i will never forget making my little gnome mage and as I looked around a rabbit crossed the path and left footprints in the snow and when I ran it made crunching noises. Never played that mage past 25 but damn the game hooked me for a couple of weeks at least, and that darn rabbit was the first hook and I can still remeber smiling and thinking that the game might turn out to be good after all. I uninstalled the game at lvl 25 and never looked back but it was good immersion for a while.
This game missed the mark, over hyped and under delivered. I don't hate it but I don't like it either. No immersion, dead cities, old game design with a coat of fresh paint. Release Jan 30, ten day free trials by April
I miss DAoC
Many of the cities are far from done and a lot of environmental stuff is also still coming.
The game system is solid and the quest system has shown some great scripting capabilities. Some other story lines in the intro parts of the game are great. The game is big, seamless and has a wide variety of innovations. However it is still a fantasy MMORPG. If you can't see why it is unique and better then other games because it will have a rocky start being more beta at release then it should be, well then it would really be best I think to move on...
That said many points are good but have some faith the sigil devs are trying to create a world and have but little time left to finish. I'd suggest checking out some of the newer starting areas and seeing them as the model of things to come.
Anyway I think the game is a lot more then just reinventing the wheel. They build a car around the wheel
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I miss DAoC