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American forces storm Iranian government offices in northern Iraq
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American forces stormed Iranian government offices in northern Iraq, hours after President George Bush issued a warning to Tehran that was described as a "declaration of war".
The soldiers detained six people, including diplomats, according to the Iranians, and seized documents and computers in the pre-dawn raid which was condemned by Iran. A leading UK-based Iran specialist, Ali Ansari, said the incident was an "extreme provocation". Dr Ansari said that Mr Bush's speech on future Iraq strategy amounted to "a declaration of war" on Iran.
We all knew this was coming.
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Yeah, we did know. I have mixed feelings. It's only a matter of time until war with Iran IMO. On the one hand, they need to be slapped around and disarmed. They're a danger to the entire region, and it's already bad off as it is.
On the other hand, we really don't need another war, and I have sympathy for our soldiers. They've been through a lot, many of them. If it does go to war, an occupation would be a disaster. If all we plan on is wiping out the military and the nuclear facilities, I could see it working. But another Iraq, not a good idea.
There are a ton of reasons why nuking the Middle East is profoundly stupid, but I'll list a few just to start you off.
1) Nuking anyone anywhere causes unforeseeable collateral damage. Nuclear fallout does not stay in one place.
2) Use of nuclear weapons anywhere is likely to spark a world war. In the Middle East region alone there are 3 separate countries who have nukes themselves. You think they'll not use them if we do?
3) Do you really want a large chunk of the worlds oil fields to be radioactive for decades to come? I hope you like riding your bike because gasoline will be more valuable than gold.
Actual real world affairs are not Age of Empires 3. It just doesn't work that way.
Bonus pop quiz. What character in a movie, referring to global thermonuclear war, said: "Strange game. The only way to win is not to play" ?
There are a ton of reasons why nuking the Middle East is profoundly stupid, but I'll list a few just to start you off.
1) Nuking anyone anywhere causes unforeseeable collateral damage. Nuclear fallout does not stay in one place.
2) Use of nuclear weapons anywhere is likely to spark a world war. In the Middle East region alone there are 3 separate countries who have nukes themselves. You think they'll not use them if we do?
3) Do you really want a large chunk of the worlds oil fields to be radioactive for decades to come? I hope you like riding your bike because gasoline will be more valuable than gold.
Actual real world affairs are not Age of Empires 3. It just doesn't work that way.
Bonus pop quiz. What character in a movie, referring to global thermonuclear war, said: "Strange game. The only way to win is not to play" ?
heres a few more.
1- All Christians, Jews and Muslims will kill you for destroying Jerusalem
2- You are basically giving a declaration of war to the entire world
3- Climate will change because of all radioactivity.
4- Humans might not be able to live in certain regions for another 2000 years.
Its times like this I wish the CIA never lifted their policy on political assasination, one good team of special forces sent to PWN Irans leader (I dont even wanna try to spell his name). Yes I know that idea might cause alot of chaos but if the US could make it look like an inside coup it would probably go alot better than a major war.
If the USA does decide to invade Iran then most prbably it will be a bloodbath of the most extreme, for one I think American soldiers will act alot more aggressive and kill alot of people. Iran will be so devastated by airstrikes and bombardment but still wont be totaly defeated til there is American "boots on the ground" to secure the areas and help install a puppet government that will do what the USA says. Alot of Iranian youth hate their current leader which might help the USA a bit but still alot will feel national pride to take up arms against the invaders and you will get another insurgency will high American casualties. Iran is the one who exported alot of tech and supplies to the Iraqi insurgents which are making the Iraq campaign very difficult.
{(RIP)} SWG
It's called a splinter cell...there are ways around that pesky "no assasination" thing
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Your argument is like a two legged dog with an eating disorder...weak and unbalanced.
Unpleasantly true.
Another fact about war and violence is the innocent are the ones who mainly pay with their lives. If you look at the statistics you will find that the civilian death toll is over a hundred times that of the forces fighting. Most people even in the middle east want peace its the few who ruin it for the masses that normally get away with their lives.
As for nuking in the middle east it will happen only question is when and how far the destruction spreads around the world.
Damn byotch dat aint no friggn moon fool, dat be a friggn space station byotch.
"And you can bet your ass that we are going to war with Iran in the near future. Bush didn't pull out a general and put an admiral incharge and move another aircraft carrier to the region for nothing. I see mass bombing runs in Irans and possibly Syrias future. How do you think they are going to react when we start preventing them from supplying and training insurgents? "
Thats the last paragraph I posted yesterday in the "The Bush Speech Review" thread. So yeah, I pretty much saw this comming.
The Brave Do Not Fear The Grave
I would hate to give you some bad news but we already are training insurgents in Iraq, out of the groups we trained we are very certain that at least 71 percent of the present Iraqi Army consists of insurgents and militiamen. The Iraqi police forces are even higher. There are all sorts of reasons given out for the Iraqi Army not stepping up to do its part, the real problem is not that the Iraqi Army is not stepping up to do its part, the problem is the very real possibility that the Iraqi Army will turn against us and start fighting us instead. The good news out of this is that the war in Iraq right now is not focused against the US forces in country, well not yet at least LOL. If you think for one second that your idea of a conflict with Iran and Syria will be as easy you seem to portray in your post, you will be in for a little surprise. Bring it on down now.
Damn byotch dat aint no friggn moon fool, dat be a friggn space station byotch.
If Bush tried to start another there will be dire consequences.
Eternally mine,
Keebs
The MMO gaming blog I write for.
They might be able to hit your aircraft carriers, and certainly your primary oils supplies.But not for him.
Dare I say it, but America and her coalition mates can't even get Iraq under control, despite valiant and well-meaning efforts to get all of the locals on-side. Yet some of you guys think the US is just going to invade Iran like that. And beat them, just like that. The second-most powerful nation in the region after Turkey, just like that. Despite troops being thinly spread and deployed now and the US military straining to meet recruitment numbers.
Time to pull a Goebbels and declare a "total war" and mobilise everyone.
All right.