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WAR don't be scared to steal from WoW!!!
Stellos
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To those who have an influence in WARs development......don't be scared about stealing from WoW. WoW is an amazing game with record breaking sales. I hate WoW. Yes, I hate it.....but I admit it's the best out there at the moment. WAR has a chance to take the cartoon graphics and incorporate a user friendly interface with a bigger more in-depth society than WoW. Don't screw it up because you are the last hope for many of us vets in mmorpgs! Some games such as VSoH have made to big of an effort to accomadate everyone and make the game extremely real. Don't waste your time with this, make a good quality product that will demonstrate addiction fueled tasks and make it visually appealing. You can do it!!
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/sarcasm
Yes, that is what we need. Another 2nd gen knock-off to enter the fray!
/sarcasm off
Best part of your post is those thing you attribute to WoW are not WoW creations. The ironic part is that Vanguard is another 2nd gen title very similar to WoW in the ways you mentioned.
WaR does not look like WoW!!! (and no im not going to say that WoW stole its graphics from WaR in the first place)
Actually look at the screen shots, other than the fact the games have the same races (can anyone say fantasy!) I dont think they could look more different.
For a start WaR already looks far more detailed, and the characters look (esp in the case of orks and chaos) hardcore!
Face it the graphics in WoW are crap, total pish. but the game play shines through. IMO WaR looks alot better than WoW and has a very very different style. I think that the main problem so far is alot of the screenshot are of Dwarfs. Who like in WoW (along with Gnomes) are kinda techie industrial. I think once the other races get some decent screen shots then you will see how different WaR and WoW really is.
Most people who've played daoc know that.
And stealing from WoW isn't really necessarey.. WoW havn't really come up with much new, but rather done the old stuff more polished.
1 thing I hope WAR won't do is the soulbound thing, which wont allow you to pass old gear along to lower friends, or second charaters. In stead you have to go through every dungeon again and again, which is repetetative and boring.
WoW is one of the worst games i've ever played....
grind to lvl 60 because people say "that's where the game starts"
grind for some half decent gear....
grind for some pvp rewards / rank....
grind my professions to a high lvl....
come to think of it the whole game is grinding! not too mention the bad customer support. the fact that Blizzard doesn't listen to its customers or anything like that. and what about the server crash every 15 minutes? " Maexxna down to 3% guys c'mon we can do this! oh shit! wtf guys am i lagging guys! guys!"
Yes WoW is WILDLY successful. but that doesn't mean its a good or even decent game.. it just obviously has far more advertising than any other game out there... even in lil ol' NZ we get WoW ads every commercial break.
oh and as for WAR? i'm not sure i just hate WoW and WAR looks like a carbon copy with a slight name change and better graphics.
WAR is going to be nothing like wow, it is going to be about pvp.
WOW = pve
WAR = pvp (I know RvR but w/e just different type of PvP than ffa)
almost everything in WAR is going to be about PvP, where in WoW its pve so copying WoW will not help WAR at all.
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We will have 2 wait and see but I dont think WaR and WoW are going to be even in the slighted bit similar. (otehr than the face they are MMO's ofc)
if you think it looks like a WoW clone then perhaps the concepts that WAR is trying to advance like RvR and PvP and no raiding for gear and skill > gear are lost on you. Just dont play it, simple.
Actually if you had played WoW like me then you'd know the Game has an extreme pvp community. pvp is probrably be more common than pve (apart from gold farming / 60 grind).
and i'm not really comparing the 2 games gameplay. i am thinking about what people are going to be saying at face value. whats this? the EXACT same WoW races? if i didnt know much about the game then i would definately look down upon it in shame of being a huge copycat.
even though it was originally Warcraft who stole warhammers idea.
http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html;jsessionid=869B5D76E9DF2A3E04F15F3CFF8296D1?topicId=62153752&sid=1
BTW, Warcraft was created when Games Workshop refused to give Blizzard the rights to Warhammer. Blizzard is stealing from Games Workshop - in fact, some stores refused to carry Warcraft when it was released because they called it a rip off Warhammer.
WoW itself is not a good game - they took things from other MMOs and remixed it like Puff Daddy.
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i didnt have a raiding guild, so i read forums, rolled alts to discover weaknesses, tried different strats.
none of that helped.
joined a raiding guild, got some purple gear.
suddenly i was better in PvP.
call me stupid, but i like my PvP skill to actually matter, not my PvE raiding skill.
WoW is a grind for items, items = better character, better character = pwn in PvP. wow, how good am i?
I'm not saying that I'm a WoW fan. You guys seem to hate WoW for rediculous reasons though. The large majority obviously know little about mmos and psychology. Face it, WoW has sold record breaking numbers, nuff said. The other two bit mmos haven't even come close to touching WoW. There is a reason for it! It is not just blind luck like many of you want to believe. They have incorporated a psychological addiction to completion of short-large tasks. This is essential to make a mmo popular. Many of you won't understand that because you don't understand the complexities of what goes through someones head in playing games. However, until you tap into that knowledge you will continue to see these crap mmos being cranked out with small numbers of sales and subs.
Further more, WAR does look like WoW! This is clear, anyone who says otherwise is in a huge state of denial. I suppose it is a matter of opinion in this matter; however, your hatered for WoW does not help these 3rd gens at all, you need to embrace the fact that WoW traunced the mmo world and needs to be beat by it's own style.
Regardless, I'm sure the WoW haters and WAR fanaticals will come out with their usual sensless, uneducated rants......looking forward to reading them
Here we go again.
Well, WAR surely lookes like other Warhammer games, because it's based on them. WoW lookes like earlier WarCraft games, because it's based on them. So now - please explain it to me - if Warhammer design exist from 1983 (1983: first edition od tabletop game; 1986: first edition of Warhammer RPG; when WC was released we've had 4th edition of WH, now we have 7th), and Warcraft design exists from 1994 (release date of WarCraft: Orcs & Humans - first RTS in WC universe, 11 years after WH) - how is it possible, that WAR looks like WoW, and like some ppl say - it's even a rip off?
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Yes, maybe you are right... but i can't agree with you!
Just go and see lvl19 29 39 pvps, there's a lot of chars that have great stuff and the best enchants they can have... lvl 19 hunter with 1200-1400 hp? WTF? and lvl 19 rouge with 1100-1200 hp? and i dont want to speak about warriors... and all of them can pvp well.. with my 19 hunter often made better kill/death rate than they with my common gear without enchants... i was 2-3 shot/stab to them but i did it, not once or twice..
I cant say that's the same at lvl 60 but if you have good pvp skill you will do better, much better than equal or better geared players.. but dont have a chance against big raiding guild's chars .. i agree.. but you can enjoy pvp just be smart and dont want to hunt alone
I would be happy if WAR would have better and more pvp and as they said we can get xp from pvp in other areas not just in arenas and such.. that would be great!
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Exactly, you see the light! You start with Blizzard Fans and Craft Fans who obviously play the game. They attract MMO hopers who wanted something better than EQ at the time. MMO hopers sing the praise of the game, they attract people from other MMOs. The game comes out, it's the same old crap minus the grind, some people leave but then Blizzard launched it's massive marketing campaign. Between the sticky fans and the reveiw sites, the vibe was basically "If you don't like WoW, wtf is wrong with you!?". Everyone says the game is the best thing since buttered toste, group thought kicks in, the casuals brought in by the marketing campaign(whom were mostly old Doom players and the like) bring in their friends. Their friends bring in their friends. Their friends bring in their friends. The vibe is still "WoW is the best things since sliced bread, wtf is wrong with you." The game is easy for 60 levels and then people just want to finish by getting their Tier 4 gear, so they keep playing.
Why didn't EQ or CoH do what WoW did? BECAUSE IT DIDN'T HAVE THE MARKETING CAMPAIGN! Hell the only reason I tried WoW is because I'd heard of it from four different sources, then I sign onto AIM and my daily new page says "WoW! BEST THING SINCE BUTTEH TOSTE!!! OMGX!"
It helps that they tunned down the grind but if EQ had had WoW's grind, do you think it would of been as popular as WoW?
It all started with Blizzard, the kind of rip offs. It's all in the name.
Exactly, you see the light! You start with Blizzard Fans and Craft Fans who obviously play the game. They attract MMO hopers who wanted something better than EQ at the time. MMO hopers sing the praise of the game, they attract people from other MMOs. The game comes out, it's the same old crap minus the grind, some people leave but then Blizzard launched it's massive marketing campaign. Between the sticky fans and the reveiw sites, the vibe was basically "If you don't like WoW, wtf is wrong with you!?". Everyone says the game is the best thing since buttered toste, group thought kicks in, the casuals brought in by the marketing campaign(whom were mostly old Doom players and the like) bring in their friends. Their friends bring in their friends. Their friends bring in their friends. The vibe is still "WoW is the best things since sliced bread, wtf is wrong with you." The game is easy for 60 levels and then people just want to finish by getting their Tier 4 gear, so they keep playing.
Why didn't EQ or CoH do what WoW did? BECAUSE IT DIDN'T HAVE THE MARKETING CAMPAIGN! Hell the only reason I tried WoW is because I'd heard of it from four different sources, then I sign onto AIM and my daily new page says "WoW! BEST THING SINCE BUTTEH TOSTE!!! OMGX!"
It helps that they tunned down the grind but if EQ had had WoW's grind, do you think it would of been as popular as WoW?
It all started with Blizzard, the kind of rip offs. It's all in the name.
So the FACT its a good game has nothing to do with the sucess and why millions have been playing since it launched?
anyhow, WoW didnt do much new, it just did things that have been done before, but much better, a couple of innovations here and there.
so any developers who dont say "hey, that thing in WoW where you can rearange your UI, lets do that too, but better" or "i like the ease of leveling, lets try that and see how it works" are just shooting themselves in the foot.
Exactly, you see the light! You start with Blizzard Fans and Craft Fans who obviously play the game. They attract MMO hopers who wanted something better than EQ at the time. MMO hopers sing the praise of the game, they attract people from other MMOs. The game comes out, it's the same old crap minus the grind, some people leave but then Blizzard launched it's massive marketing campaign. Between the sticky fans and the reveiw sites, the vibe was basically "If you don't like WoW, wtf is wrong with you!?". Everyone says the game is the best thing since buttered toste, group thought kicks in, the casuals brought in by the marketing campaign(whom were mostly old Doom players and the like) bring in their friends. Their friends bring in their friends. Their friends bring in their friends. The vibe is still "WoW is the best things since sliced bread, wtf is wrong with you." The game is easy for 60 levels and then people just want to finish by getting their Tier 4 gear, so they keep playing.
Why didn't EQ or CoH do what WoW did? BECAUSE IT DIDN'T HAVE THE MARKETING CAMPAIGN! Hell the only reason I tried WoW is because I'd heard of it from four different sources, then I sign onto AIM and my daily new page says "WoW! BEST THING SINCE BUTTEH TOSTE!!! OMGX!"
It helps that they tunned down the grind but if EQ had had WoW's grind, do you think it would of been as popular as WoW?
It all started with Blizzard, the kind of rip offs. It's all in the name.
So the FACT its a good game has nothing to do with the sucess and why millions have been playing since it launched?
And if higher subs means the games is better then Yulgang (Scions of Fate) is 100 times better than WoW because they have over 9 million subs.
I honestly think WoW is doing well because it's the only polished MMO that is out at the current moment that caters to people that have never played an MMO before.
The sad thing is that WoW teaches new MMO players how to play an MMO, the joys of PvE and then gives them a taste of PvP and then gets them into Raiding, and keeps them there.
It's sad when Raiding is considered to be typical in MMOs. I can't wait until WAR comes out and shows people how to truly have fun in a game.
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