To do what? Have his freaking pulse stop and then his mind play tricks on him? It's no different than going to sleep and having a dream. I swear Americans look into things too much tbh.Americans? I think that's a pretty bad generilzation. You have every right to have an opinion but that's just asking for an argument. BTW I'm not American.Technically you are, Canada was purchased by the United States like six years ago.
I am glad that you are on your road to recovery, Get Well Soon!!! I always heard near death experiences were undescribable, and that it put them at ease for when the time does come.
Glad you are ok but if what you are describing was a NDE (near death experience) then wow thats amazing, I am interested in that subject greatly and I have read many accounts of what people have gone through and its some stuff that makes you think. Our brains are strong and maby capable of creating the experience as a form of "lucid dream". See when you go to sleep every night and right before the human body dies and in your case died and was revived science has discovered a chemical called DMT (dimethyltryptamine) which is secreted by the pineal gland in the center of your brain gets pumped in huge ammounts right at those first moments or REM sleep or right before death. DMT has been used by shamans for centuries and recently books and studies have been done that all seem to point towards this pineal gland DMT as being the cause of NDE's and dreams but since I have never experienced a NDE I cant say for certain what goes on but from what science says its just the brain doing what it can to hold on the the preception of existence.
Glad you are ok but if what you are describing was a NDE (near death experience) then wow thats amazing, I am interested in that subject greatly and I have read many accounts of what people have gone through and its some stuff that makes you think. Our brains are strong and maby capable of creating the experience as a form of "lucid dream". See when you go to sleep every night and right before the human body dies and in your case died and was revived science has discovered a chemical called DMT (dimethyltryptamine) which is secreted by the pineal gland in the center of your brain gets pumped in huge ammounts right at those first moments or REM sleep or right before death. DMT has been used by shamans for centuries and recently books and studies have been done that all seem to point towards this pineal gland DMT as being the cause of NDE's and dreams but since I have never experienced a NDE I cant say for certain what goes on but from what science says its just the brain doing what it can to hold on the the preception of existence.
Stay away from DMT..... Thats some crazy ass shit.... trust me
Reavo - Glad to hear you're still with us. When you're feeling better and up to it, we'd all love to hear more of what exactly you felt/saw. I know finding the words to describe it will probably be difficult, if not near impossible. Also, you may want to write it down for yourself or even video tape yourself talking about it and store that away. After a year or two, you could read/re-watch it and it will revitalize you helping you remember.
Originally posted by Vendayn But, recently a year or so ago scientists perfectly emulated the near death experience by them having a helmet and the people who wore it said it was exactly like they were dying, another type of helmet made people who wore it see ghosts and they said it looked VERY real.
Do you have a link to this? I'd like to read about this experiment.
You know what's weird? How none of the people who describe near death experiences say that they went to a dark place.
Actualty I watched a pretty disturbing documentry once and it was all about bad experiences with near death experiences, alot of the people described a firey place that smelled of sulfur and they could hear screaming and see demonic looking creatures. One of the people whos interview I watch said after that NDE he made drastic changes to his life because he felt whatever he went through was a warning. I do not believe a NDE is the product of crossing over to the spirit world but the brains way to keep you calm and hide the cold truth like it always does but still the whole NDE thing is still a big mystery.
You know what's weird? How none of the people who describe near death experiences say that they went to a dark place.
Actualty I watched a pretty disturbing documentry once and it was all about bad experiences with near death experiences, alot of the people described a firey place that smelled of sulfur and they could hear screaming and see demonic looking creatures. One of the people whos interview I watch said after that NDE he made drastic changes to his life because he felt whatever he went through was a warning. I do not believe a NDE is the product of crossing over to the spirit world but thebrains way to keep you calm and hide the cold truth like it always does but still the whole NDE thing is still a big mystery.
Ha. I don't even want to know how messed up their brains are that fire and demons are considered calming.
You know what's weird? How none of the people who describe near death experiences say that they went to a dark place.
Actualty I watched a pretty disturbing documentry once and it was all about bad experiences with near death experiences, alot of the people described a firey place that smelled of sulfur and they could hear screaming and see demonic looking creatures. One of the people whos interview I watch said after that NDE he made drastic changes to his life because he felt whatever he went through was a warning. I do not believe a NDE is the product of crossing over to the spirit world but the brains way to keep you calm and hide the cold truth like it always does but still the whole NDE thing is still a big mystery.
Actualy I think I saw that documentury too and it was a very hard thing for me to watch becuase it really bothered me.
Glad you are ok but if what you are describing was a NDE (near death experience) then wow thats amazing, I am interested in that subject greatly and I have read many accounts of what people have gone through and its some stuff that makes you think. Our brains are strong and maby capable of creating the experience as a form of "lucid dream". See when you go to sleep every night and right before the human body dies and in your case died and was revived science has discovered a chemical called DMT (dimethyltryptamine) which is secreted by the pineal gland in the center of your brain gets pumped in huge ammounts right at those first moments or REM sleep or right before death. DMT has been used by shamans for centuries and recently books and studies have been done that all seem to point towards this pineal gland DMT as being the cause of NDE's and dreams but since I have never experienced a NDE I cant say for certain what goes on but from what science says its just the brain doing what it can to hold on the the preception of existence.
"just the brain doing what it can...." Hang on....just because there's a detectable physical process going on, doesn't necessarily mean a deeper spiritual process might not also be going on. It is also possible to detect physical changes when we have emotions, that doesn't mean they're not real with cause and effect.
Everything experienced in a NDE is scientifically explainable. But indeed, this doesn't rule out spiritual intervention. Just like the evolution theory doesn't rule out a possibility for God.
Everything experienced in a NDE is scientifically explainable. But indeed, this doesn't rule out spiritual intervention. Just like the evolution theory doesn't rule out a possibility for God.
Well, not everything. As pointed out earlier in this thread, there are cases where the person learned certain things that they wouldn't have known.
You know what's weird? How none of the people who describe near death experiences say that they went to a dark place.
Actualty I watched a pretty disturbing documentry once and it was all about bad experiences with near death experiences, alot of the people described a firey place that smelled of sulfur and they could hear screaming and see demonic looking creatures. One of the people whos interview I watch said after that NDE he made drastic changes to his life because he felt whatever he went through was a warning. I do not believe a NDE is the product of crossing over to the spirit world but the brains way to keep you calm and hide the cold truth like it always does but still the whole NDE thing is still a big mystery.
Actualy I think I saw that documentury too and it was a very hard thing for me to watch becuase it really bothered me.Well, reavo is an honest type of guy and I don't think he would make up something like this, but I do believe that the vast majority of these NDE's are just people looking for attention. Just like stigmata...wow what a bunch of hooey.
Your argument is like a two legged dog with an eating disorder...weak and unbalanced.
Its always interesting the things some people see near death. Much of it could be explained by what we know of REM sleep, in which past experiences are literally brought to life, woven together with images and sensations from a person's imagination into a somewhat cohesive "story". it will also incorporate elements drawn from a persons immediate surroundings. A dying brain often begins to have some of its synapses fire at unusual intervals, quite similar to REM sleep.
This:
A.) Explains why most with NDEs apparently have an experience with heaven, very few people in the world truly believe that they could go anywhere else. Most people don't take notice, but people from different religions often have different experiences, their view of heaven or hell being shaped by what they are taught to expect to see.
B.) Explains nearly all of the cases where someone "learned" of events happening while they were unconsious, as it will often do under less stressful circumstances, the mind takes sensory information such as the sound of a doctor preparing a defilibrator, and adds its own preconcieved picture to fit.
Now, as with nearly everything of this nature, it is just about impossible to prove one way or the other, and the fakers out there are not helping with the situation.
Reavo, I am sorry you went through such a harrowing experience. I for one would leave the validity of what you saw alone, logic aside, it is always good to have something to hold onto.
No man is an island, entire of itself; every man is a piece of the continent, a part of the main. any man's death diminishes me, because I am involved in mankind, and therefore never send to know for whom the bell tolls; it tolls for thee. Hemingway
Its always interesting the things some people see near death. Much of it could be explained by what we know of REM sleep, in which past experiences are literally brought to life, woven together with images and sensations from a person's imagination into a somewhat cohesive "story". it will also incorporate elements drawn from a persons immediate surroundings. A dying brain often begins to have some of its synapses fire at unusual intervals, quite similar to REM sleep. This:
A.) Explains why most with NDEs apparently have an experience with heaven, very few people in the world truly believe that they could go anywhere else. Most people don't take notice, but people from different religions often have different experiences, their view of heaven or hell being shaped by what they are taught to expect to see. B.) Explains nearly all of the cases where someone "learned" of events happening while they were unconsious, as it will often do under less stressful circumstances, the mind takes sensory information such as the sound of a doctor preparing a defilibrator, and adds its own preconcieved picture to fit. Now, as with nearly everything of this nature, it is just about impossible to prove one way or the other, and the fakers out there are not helping with the situation.
Reavo, I am sorry you went through such a harrowing experience. I for one would leave the validity of what you saw alone, logic aside, it is always good to have something to hold onto.
Yup. REM sleep is a very valid explanation. I've had some extremely "prophetical" dreams, and even certain strange logical epiphanies while tired. However, religious people rejoice yet again, for neurology is at it's fledgeling stages so whatever is stated about REM sleep is probably quite theoretical!
Everything experienced in a NDE is scientifically explainable. But indeed, this doesn't rule out spiritual intervention. Just like the evolution theory doesn't rule out a possibility for God.
In all honesty, Heaven could be scientifically explainable. If it's another dimension we gain access to through dying and is explainable that way, it still doesn't take away from the reality or beauty of it as a spiritual plane that shows our souls are saved after death.
Another thing I've thought about is the whole idea of people saying there is no God because who "made God". Well, if you're on a plane of existence where time is irrelevant, then you would need no creator, right? I think it's just something hard for us to wrap our heads around because we try to put everything into the confines of what we're able to perceive. But higher dimensions are things that we could never imagine. And if that's where Heaven is then I hope science does prove it's there. I would feel more comfort from that than a preacher yelling at me while reading out of some book. Especially one that has all hating currently hating each other.
I do believe in Heaven. I believe we're all going there. It's just a feeling I have. Call it desperation if you want, but it's a strong feeling that I just can't part with. I'm looking forward to it. Not rushing the experience, but when it gets here I'm sure it's going to be one heck of a ride.
Get well, Reavo. I can't wait until you can tell us more. My dad was in a bad wreck once and it took him months to recover. I hope it doesn't take you as long.
if you couldn't type much how did you type all that.
my theories on death: 1. when you die its just like when your asleep and its a neverending dream and if that is then we may already be dead. 2. your souls is recycled(not to be confused with any religions) into an insect just think about it theres billions of dead people and theres billions of insects. 3. your souls may be recycled into a new human body but you lose all past memories.
please post your own theories/ thoughts about death
Repeat after me: Ain't...no...such...thing...as...ghosts.
I agree, and I also think that if ghosts were real then everything would have a ghost even a dead tree and that would make for a world filled with ghosts. There is also no valid scientific explanation for ghosts either and in 10000+ years of recorded human history not one piece of SOLID evidence has ever been shown. Only stories of haunted houses and age old hoaxes to scare the gullable into conforming to the religious movement in that area.
If there is such a thing as spirits and ghosts why the hell would they remain in this crappy place? If I was a pure energy being of limitless potential and awakened from my close minded human body I would go to places far more interesting then this ball of rock.
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Stay away from DMT..... Thats some crazy ass shit.... trust me
Reavo - Glad to hear you're still with us. When you're feeling better and up to it, we'd all love to hear more of what exactly you felt/saw. I know finding the words to describe it will probably be difficult, if not near impossible. Also, you may want to write it down for yourself or even video tape yourself talking about it and store that away. After a year or two, you could read/re-watch it and it will revitalize you helping you remember.
Do you have a link to this? I'd like to read about this experiment.
That happend to me when i got shot in the chest(not heart)i was 14
its actully kind of like a dream youll live a eternal life with your happiest thoughts
inless you have a bad dream where you die again so youd be
a dead person thats a dead person in dream
Your argument is like a two legged dog with an eating disorder...weak and unbalanced.
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Ha. I don't even want to know how messed up their brains are that fire and demons are considered calming.
Actualy I think I saw that documentury too and it was a very hard thing for me to watch becuase it really bothered me.
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My mind has changed so much. Yet I'm still acting like I'm the same.
Actualy I think I saw that documentury too and it was a very hard thing for me to watch becuase it really bothered me.Well, reavo is an honest type of guy and I don't think he would make up something like this, but I do believe that the vast majority of these NDE's are just people looking for attention. Just like stigmata...wow what a bunch of hooey.
Your argument is like a two legged dog with an eating disorder...weak and unbalanced.
Its always interesting the things some people see near death. Much of it could be explained by what we know of REM sleep, in which past experiences are literally brought to life, woven together with images and sensations from a person's imagination into a somewhat cohesive "story". it will also incorporate elements drawn from a persons immediate surroundings. A dying brain often begins to have some of its synapses fire at unusual intervals, quite similar to REM sleep.
This:
A.) Explains why most with NDEs apparently have an experience with heaven, very few people in the world truly believe that they could go anywhere else. Most people don't take notice, but people from different religions often have different experiences, their view of heaven or hell being shaped by what they are taught to expect to see.
B.) Explains nearly all of the cases where someone "learned" of events happening while they were unconsious, as it will often do under less stressful circumstances, the mind takes sensory information such as the sound of a doctor preparing a defilibrator, and adds its own preconcieved picture to fit.
Now, as with nearly everything of this nature, it is just about impossible to prove one way or the other, and the fakers out there are not helping with the situation.
Reavo, I am sorry you went through such a harrowing experience. I for one would leave the validity of what you saw alone, logic aside, it is always good to have something to hold onto.
No man is an island, entire of itself; every man is a piece of the continent, a part of the main. any man's death diminishes me, because I am involved in mankind, and therefore never send to know for whom the bell tolls; it tolls for thee.
Hemingway
The best of recoveries to you reavo.
Another thing I've thought about is the whole idea of people saying there is no God because who "made God". Well, if you're on a plane of existence where time is irrelevant, then you would need no creator, right? I think it's just something hard for us to wrap our heads around because we try to put everything into the confines of what we're able to perceive. But higher dimensions are things that we could never imagine. And if that's where Heaven is then I hope science does prove it's there. I would feel more comfort from that than a preacher yelling at me while reading out of some book. Especially one that has all hating currently hating each other.
I do believe in Heaven. I believe we're all going there. It's just a feeling I have. Call it desperation if you want, but it's a strong feeling that I just can't part with. I'm looking forward to it. Not rushing the experience, but when it gets here I'm sure it's going to be one heck of a ride.
Get well, Reavo. I can't wait until you can tell us more. My dad was in a bad wreck once and it took him months to recover. I hope it doesn't take you as long.
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my theories on death: 1. when you die its just like when your asleep and its a neverending dream and if that is then we may already be dead. 2. your souls is recycled(not to be confused with any religions) into an insect just think about it theres billions of dead people and theres billions of insects. 3. your souls may be recycled into a new human body but you lose all past memories.
please post your own theories/ thoughts about death
I'm not religous.
Repeat after me:
Ain't...no...such...thing...as...ghosts.
I agree, and I also think that if ghosts were real then everything would have a ghost even a dead tree and that would make for a world filled with ghosts. There is also no valid scientific explanation for ghosts either and in 10000+ years of recorded human history not one piece of SOLID evidence has ever been shown. Only stories of haunted houses and age old hoaxes to scare the gullable into conforming to the religious movement in that area.
If there is such a thing as spirits and ghosts why the hell would they remain in this crappy place? If I was a pure energy being of limitless potential and awakened from my close minded human body I would go to places far more interesting then this ball of rock.
{(RIP)} SWG