All MMORPGs involve grind of some sort. Their success is based on how they mask the grind and which kind of grind people are willing to accept.
You will find plenty of games out there that have a very steep grind curve. In fact, alot of people mistake a heavy grind as the ultimate hardcore experience.
Personally, I found WoW to be mild compared to the grind fest of MMORPGs I played in the past. If here is a grind involved, the trick is the break down the time needed between interesting bits of gameplay (like 15 mins of herbing after running an instance for example).
Oh, and rushing through the content kills any semblance of gameplay, no matter how involving the game can be or how light or heavy the grind is.
gw is a lost cause. end of story. the game has very little that is origanal. and since when can in fantasy or anywhere else can you have a warrior monk? or a ranger warrior?
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<Points to R.A. Salvatores Dark Elf series, about Drizzt Do'urden. Ranger/fighter multiclass in Dungeons and Dragons Forgotten Realms series lore>
OOOOOOOH!!!!! I agree retardepated multiclassing does exist in shatastic works of fiction and game breaking expanded rules for table top games. Oh and in really craptacular mmorpgs (yes FFXI sucked! I haven't played GW so i won't slam it)
Oh and for the person who mentioned EVE, well no leveling, and you are a damn spaceship, I really think EVE has no place here. Tho grinding for XP and grinding for money are the same damn thing.
WOW is the least grinding mmorpg that I know of with the exeption of URU: LIVE (AKA BOREDOM ONLINE) "yay I solved a puzzle I win a pink pastel cardigan sweater of metrozexualness."
LOL What rubbish. I've leveled two chars to lvl 60 and two to 40+ and have never been short on good quests and NEVER had to grind. LOL edit: $15 (or £8 in proper money) is a fantastic price for what you can do in WoW.
Let me start off by saying that i love WoW, it's a solid and fun game. But I do have to agree with the OP on this one. Just because grinding is considered a quest, doesn't really make it a quest. I quit WoW in the past and came back to check out BC. I am enjoying myself very much, but you gotta admit, every BC quest is "go to the valley of bones and get 20 feathers from the whatever birds." THIS is grinding, but it comes off as a quest. I personally don't mind the grind, so I'm having a good time with it.
why do sooo many people bash WoW? I guess everyone is entitled to their opinions....
i guess it really depends on what your definition of "grind" is
WoW end game is meant to be a progression
you start with dungeon set for your class, then quest and do more dungeons for upgrade quest for dungeon set to tier 0.5. this includes the 50+ 5-person dungeons and UBRS, the 10 person
then you have ZG and AQ20. 20 person dungeons with first real taste of uber epic loot.
then you have MC, first 40 person, and tier 1. why do you think Ony and Ragnaros have Tier 2 gear? part of the progression... you need to master skills/strategies from MC and these encounters to survive in BWL. BWL you have tier 2. so on and so forth
World of Warcraft is fun until u get to like lvl 30 then you begin to relize that y am i paying $15 a month to play a game that is just grinding and no questing because quest give you barely any xp only way to get some is to grind or go in dungeons so WoW gamers think about like i did and go to a game with more questing and less grinding like Guild Wars really im trying to help you not hurt you. Peace
I'm not a huge wow supporter infact sometimes I down right hate the repeativeness but I've never experienced problems in xp gain through questing only infact if you know all the right places to go you get more than enough xp off the quest and its involved mobs to get you to 60 with never doing an instance and it doesn't even take that long.
Btw GW was a complete bore when I played its all completely instanced there's no exploration at all.
Please Refer to Doom Cat with all conspiracies & evil corporation complaints. He'll give you the simple explination of..WE"RE ALL DOOMED!
I've got 3000 hours played, 2300 on one character alone. I quit wow recently, maxed out tier 3 gear. I think I have some say in what WoW "really" is.
To say that every mmo is a grind is fine; you usually say that to justify anything repetitive and "not fun" the 200th time around. However, it is widely known that WoW claims to have quests out the wazoo so you never have to grind. This is not so for two reasons:
-every quest in WoW is a grind. I do stress every. If it isn't a grind in itself, its a trip to some far gone city so that you do get to grind something.
-You don't actually have that many quests all throughout 32 to 56.
You're right; quests do give xp, money and gear. However, it is still more effective to grind the most optimal mobs while only picking up killing quests that affect said optimal mobs. When it comes down to the math of it, you will level faster by AVOIDING most quests, especially since the only reason it feels like you have so many is because they send you to 8 different corners of the map as a time sink.
Patch 1.4 eliminated the concept of doing something for fun. The most fun I ever had in WoW was easily a couple months after release in world pvp. There was NO incentive besides slaying the enemy. Getting honor changed that, and battlegrounds optimalized that. Has a day passed where atleast one post on every forum hasn't asked for world pvp back or to put WAR back in warcraft?
Don't get me started on the concept of raiding. If that's not the greatest example of grinding then we need to redefine grinding.
WOW was fun for a few months but the enless Item grinding really ruins the end game ( imo ). Dark age of Camelots end game was 20x more fun the any game ive played to date. ( again IMO )
It's grinding and farming actually. But mainly farming.
Once the horrid grinding is over you are left with nothing to do except get new items... items items items im so sick of em :S
If theese easy MMORPG's are not for you maby something hardcore will do for you. Or something that requires skills. I am currently looking forward to how Darkfall is going to turn out. Thus it promises even more than ol' Dark And Light does hahaha. If they pull it off it might actually overhaul WoW. Which of course isn't so hard imo. It's just so hard for people to let go of a MMORPG since they've spent so much time on them it feels very hard to just quit ot try something new.
Anyway, I will forever stay as far away from WoW as I ever can. Theese kind of games will never receive any support from me cus I believe in true RPG games that aren't about levels and items. But about how you succeed throughout the world on your own skills by your side.
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Well really you level up faster in WoW than many mmorpgs. A lot of the problem is, once you reach level 60, the grinding doesnt stop in WoW, and you are forced to join boring raids to get the top gear... ect... Er, level 70 now I suppose.
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You should try playing Flyff my friend, that game brings a whole new meaning to the word "grinding"
You will find plenty of games out there that have a very steep grind curve. In fact, alot of people mistake a heavy grind as the ultimate hardcore experience.
Personally, I found WoW to be mild compared to the grind fest of MMORPGs I played in the past. If here is a grind involved, the trick is the break down the time needed between interesting bits of gameplay (like 15 mins of herbing after running an instance for example).
Oh, and rushing through the content kills any semblance of gameplay, no matter how involving the game can be or how light or heavy the grind is.
<Points to R.A. Salvatores Dark Elf series, about Drizzt Do'urden. Ranger/fighter multiclass in Dungeons and Dragons Forgotten Realms series lore>
OOOOOOOH!!!!! I agree retardepated multiclassing does exist in shatastic works of fiction and game breaking expanded rules for table top games. Oh and in really craptacular mmorpgs (yes FFXI sucked! I haven't played GW so i won't slam it)
Oh and for the person who mentioned EVE, well no leveling, and you are a damn spaceship, I really think EVE has no place here. Tho grinding for XP and grinding for money are the same damn thing.
WOW is the least grinding mmorpg that I know of with the exeption of URU: LIVE (AKA BOREDOM ONLINE) "yay I solved a puzzle I win a pink pastel cardigan sweater of metrozexualness."
searching for the next DAoC....
Kay-exile
I think you need a reality check.
RAISING MINIONS TO SERVE YOUR BIDDING AND KILL THE ENEMY ORCS IS NOT POSSIBLE.
how many threads like this will people create...
why do sooo many people bash WoW? I guess everyone is entitled to their opinions....
i guess it really depends on what your definition of "grind" is
WoW end game is meant to be a progression
you start with dungeon set for your class, then quest and do more dungeons for upgrade quest for dungeon set to tier 0.5. this includes the 50+ 5-person dungeons and UBRS, the 10 person
then you have ZG and AQ20. 20 person dungeons with first real taste of uber epic loot.
then you have MC, first 40 person, and tier 1. why do you think Ony and Ragnaros have Tier 2 gear? part of the progression... you need to master skills/strategies from MC and these encounters to survive in BWL. BWL you have tier 2. so on and so forth
I'm not a huge wow supporter infact sometimes I down right hate the repeativeness but I've never experienced problems in xp gain through questing only infact if you know all the right places to go you get more than enough xp off the quest and its involved mobs to get you to 60 with never doing an instance and it doesn't even take that long.
Btw GW was a complete bore when I played its all completely instanced there's no exploration at all.
Please Refer to Doom Cat with all conspiracies & evil corporation complaints. He'll give you the simple explination of..WE"RE ALL DOOMED!
who cares if wow is just grinding..... yeah it might get boring after a while but u do start to do other stuff at a higher lvl such as pvp and raids
Boo
When im out of quests or tired of hunting i go to Instances
they make the game more fun
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I've got 3000 hours played, 2300 on one character alone. I quit wow recently, maxed out tier 3 gear. I think I have some say in what WoW "really" is.
To say that every mmo is a grind is fine; you usually say that to justify anything repetitive and "not fun" the 200th time around. However, it is widely known that WoW claims to have quests out the wazoo so you never have to grind. This is not so for two reasons:
-every quest in WoW is a grind. I do stress every. If it isn't a grind in itself, its a trip to some far gone city so that you do get to grind something.
-You don't actually have that many quests all throughout 32 to 56.
You're right; quests do give xp, money and gear. However, it is still more effective to grind the most optimal mobs while only picking up killing quests that affect said optimal mobs. When it comes down to the math of it, you will level faster by AVOIDING most quests, especially since the only reason it feels like you have so many is because they send you to 8 different corners of the map as a time sink.
Patch 1.4 eliminated the concept of doing something for fun. The most fun I ever had in WoW was easily a couple months after release in world pvp. There was NO incentive besides slaying the enemy. Getting honor changed that, and battlegrounds optimalized that. Has a day passed where atleast one post on every forum hasn't asked for world pvp back or to put WAR back in warcraft?
Don't get me started on the concept of raiding. If that's not the greatest example of grinding then we need to redefine grinding.
searching for the next DAoC....
Kay-exile
It's grinding and farming actually. But mainly farming.
Once the horrid grinding is over you are left with nothing to do except get new items... items items items im so sick of em :S
If theese easy MMORPG's are not for you maby something hardcore will do for you. Or something that requires skills. I am currently looking forward to how Darkfall is going to turn out. Thus it promises even more than ol' Dark And Light does hahaha. If they pull it off it might actually overhaul WoW. Which of course isn't so hard imo. It's just so hard for people to let go of a MMORPG since they've spent so much time on them it feels very hard to just quit ot try something new.
Anyway, I will forever stay as far away from WoW as I ever can. Theese kind of games will never receive any support from me cus I believe in true RPG games that aren't about levels and items. But about how you succeed throughout the world on your own skills by your side.
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