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Professional Tester Opinion: Vangaurd's a HUGE flop!

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  • ManDandyManDandy Member Posts: 5

     

    Originally posted by j9ncalif

    Thanks for your opinion.  I've been playing games for 18 years ahave been professionally testing for game developers for about 6 or so years.  I can go on for hours what makes WoW great.  I quit playing Wow awhile back, I believe it has many great aspects (more than most rgps out there) and several major poor ones.  As to what you & everyone else thinks of my opinion that's your own opinions, it's cool.  I'm personally tired of companies dipping their hands into the RPG player bases making half assed games when the potential is there to make something great.   What makes a great game is when they try  expanding on the aspects of prior great games and try to improve or spin off something new.  Vanguard doesn't seem to be doing any of that so I predict it'll flop.  Sure when it's released it'll havea  sizeable sub pool because of it's advertising campaign but after the first quarter it'll dump because players will find out there's nothing new or improved about it.

    You are a credit to the feeble minded everywhere.  I'm glad your years of putting triangle blocks into Circle holes has finally gained you a profession.

  • ArunArun Member UncommonPosts: 52

    The OP isn't a professional games tester...

    I am....

    oooooh No your not...

    ooooh Yes I am...

    ooooh no your not...

    ooooh yes I am....

    ooooh no your not...

    oooh yes I am....

    <Can't beat pantomine for stupid arguements... actually maybe some posts/threads on MMORPG forums can!>

     

     

    Originally posted by shukes33
    Grind is not one of the downfalls of DF it is just a feature.

  • terrifiedterrified Member Posts: 143
    Originally posted by Arun


    The OP isn't a professional games tester...
    I am....
    oooooh No your not...
    ooooh Yes I am...
    ooooh no your not...
    ooooh yes I am....
    ooooh no your not...
    oooh yes I am....
    <Can't beat pantomine for stupid arguements... actually maybe some posts/threads on MMORPG forums can!>
     
     
    LOL cant make what this idiot of a original poster is doing in this thread any simpler then that :)
  • fozzie22fozzie22 Member Posts: 1,003


    Originally posted by Yukkione
    You said you have been doing game testing for about 18 years? So you would be about my age (40). Well, i dont know anyone my age who uses the word "cuz" while speaking or typing.Some of your other language usage is suspect as well.  I think your statement is bullshit. I think your whole piece is bullshit. As for Vanguard... It seems in good shape now after many recent patches. Launch will be one of the game undustries best I think.

    Well i agree 100% with you,it will go very smoothly thats for sure and i think in its own way the game will be a success.

    As to the OP well i'm almost 41 (crys) and i've never used the term "cuz" in anyway shape or form

  • Deron_BarakDeron_Barak Member Posts: 1,136

    <sigh>

    This just makes my head hurt.  The thing I can't figure out, j9ncalif, is why this subject was your first post ever on this site and your account was started on 9/2/06.  Surley a renowned and professional tester such as yourself would've had an opinion of other games here in the past 3-1/2 months.  Sorry to tell you this but someone else already uses ludacris arguments to get mass attention.

    Thank you for the poll though, I'm interested to see how it turnes out.

    Just not worth my time anymore.

  • HattwinHattwin Member Posts: 3

     It went around the MMORPG genre and raked in most of the good aspects of prior games and that is what made it a great game. 

    This is exactly what Vanguard did, they took all the good aspects from other games  and brought them into Vanguard. For example:

    1. Customized character creation
    2. More quests to get away from the grind of leveling
    3. PvP rulesets (FFA & RvR so far)
    4. Auction house
    5. in game e-mail
    6. The housing from FFXI and EQ2, which is absent from WoW, by the way.
    7. Group chain skills from FFXI and EQ2, which is also absent from WoW.
    8. Need, greed looting from WoW
    9. A perception system that allows for counter spells and skills, I don't recall this being in any other MMO I've played
    10. Deplomacy which is a new way to level your civil faction to get items and access to NPCs for quests
    11. An improved crafting system that is better than EQ2's crafting, which has the best crafting system to date IMO
    12. An improved custom graphic engine from the Unreal Turnament engine
    13. Mounts and Flying mounts

    They are also doing a lot of work in the area of balancing the classes, which is nice to see that they care about the classes all having a role to play.

    Making a Everquest clone with a choppier design isn't pushing the envelope but if you feel free to try it go for it. 

    Now I know you're full of crap. I't does have some EQ mechanics, like the chat commands are simular, but an EQ clone it's not. Just proves that you know nothing about MMOs, let alone claiming to be a professional tester.

  • mary_janemary_jane Member Posts: 95
    Originally posted by fozzie22


     

    Originally posted by Yukkione

    You said you have been doing game testing for about 18 years? So you would be about my age (40). Well, i dont know anyone my age who uses the word "cuz" while speaking or typing.Some of your other language usage is suspect as well.  I think your statement is bullshit. I think your whole piece is bullshit. As for Vanguard... It seems in good shape now after many recent patches. Launch will be one of the game undustries best I think.

    Well i agree 100% with you,it will go very smoothly thats for sure and i think in its own way the game will be a success.

    As to the OP well i'm almost 41 (crys) and i've never used the term "cuz" in anyway shape or form

    Man, whats with all these old ppl, ? well, im only 36 years young and i use the word "cus" all the time. I don't see myself changing that over the next 4 years. Maybe its my kids, or maybe its cus i still think like a kid.





    I'm not a "pro" anything, (well maybe a pro mooch of free games) but in my opinion, if you were testing a game like vanguard and were not biased about it in some way, it seems impossible not to see thru the bugs and problems. And even if i really wasn't able to see past the problems. i don't think i would run to the forums about it to posts my negative review on a game that was played in beta.



    (not to mention i find it odd that you only have ur account recently to solely flame vanguard. I would think that you "as a proff tester" would be involved in the forums a while longer and have more insight into a game that was still unreleased, and finally the ability to restrain yourself with your posts until you see (hear about) the final product.)



    No offense
  • mx500toridmx500torid Member Posts: 96
    Professional Tester???? Bet he eats dog food.
  • SinCreatorSinCreator Member Posts: 42
    I'm a successful business man with a multimillion dollar company with multiple branches in foreign countries, a beautiful model as a wife, and two kids that never fight and are complete angels...



    I figured since we were all full of crap I'd add in my piece here.  If you really ARE a 'professional tester' it's no small wonder to me so many games suck... you should be able to be much less bias in your opinion and give both statements of the game, instead of simply flaming it.  And then talking about WoW.  But, hey, I guess you aren't compensated so you can come off like a ten year old in your post right?  Suuuure...



    Now if any of you folks need me, please check with my receptionist for available times.
  • BlurrBlurr Member UncommonPosts: 2,155

    Listen, I've done over 15,000 hours of beta testing on over 200 games, and I'm no professional tester. Any "professional" tester would not write such a poorly thought out and obvious troll post.

    Get back under the bridge plz.

    "Because it's easier to nitpick something than to be constructive." -roach5000

  • matraquematraque Member Posts: 1,431
    Originally posted by desnow

    Originally posted by MX13



    Ok, now I DEFINATLY think you're a fake... because REAL testers use paragraphs...
    You would be amazed. Most professional testers have some great fear of sentences and use white paper methods. I have seen many test results (not games mind you) which are jsut pages of bullets and sub-bullets. Yup.  Scripts are bullets and they have an expected result.  If the expected results is not happening, a bug report needs to be filled up.



    The interesting stuff is when you design the testing scripts to cover all areas of the game.



    It's a cool job, i would not trade it for anything

    eqnext.wikia.com

  • dunaduriumdunadurium Member Posts: 257

     

    Originally posted by Hattwin


     It went around the MMORPG genre and raked in most of the good aspects of prior games and that is what made it a great game. 
    This is exactly what Vanguard did, they took all the good aspects from other games  and brought them into Vanguard. For example:

    Customized character creation
    More quests to get away from the grind of leveling
    PvP rulesets (FFA & RvR so far)
    Auction house
    in game e-mail
    The housing from FFXI and EQ2, which is absent from WoW, by the way.
    Group chain skills from FFXI and EQ2, which is also absent from WoW.
    Need, greed looting from WoW
    A perception system that allows for counter spells and skills, I don't recall this being in any other MMO I've played
    Deplomacy which is a new way to level your civil faction to get items and access to NPCs for quests
    An improved crafting system that is better than EQ2's crafting, which has the best crafting system to date IMO
    An improved custom graphic engine from the Unreal Turnament engine
    Mounts and Flying mounts

    They are also doing a lot of work in the area of balancing the classes, which is nice to see that they care about the classes all having a role to play.



    QFT

    Vanguard even in its pre-released state is 10 times more innovative and "revolutionary" than WOW ever has or probably ever will be. But this pro of course knows that WOW is the revolutionary game and vanguard is the big grind...from intensive game testing for DAYS and DAYS ..he probably even made it to level 2..... then again ...

    Im sorry to say but J9ncalif you make yourself sound like the biggest WOW kiddie.The quintessential WOW n00b who thinks that WOW is something special (and seeing as you got to lev 60 you now qualify as a proffesional game tester) when in reality if youve played any other games in their times you'd realize that its a watered down mindless clone with nothing in it worthy of its success. 

    Also look at the WOW advertising campaign compared to the Vanguard campaign, Vanguard in fact had generated huge hype YEARS before release simply through word of mouth and the INNOVATIVE ideas behind this game...... WOW on the other had is the game that is pure corporate ad hype with no substance to their game apart from the fact that its a polished up EQ rehash(but of course you know that that is Vanguard not WOW..my bad).

    ~Dunadurium

    heres a poll for you

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    "Silly rabbit, WoW's for kids"

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  • dunaduriumdunadurium Member Posts: 257
    double post

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    "Silly rabbit, WoW's for kids"

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  • broomjaybroomjay Member Posts: 46
    haha a pro tester ill bet it was his 1st beta ever p
  • terrifiedterrified Member Posts: 143
    Originally posted by broomjay

    haha a pro tester ill bet it was his 1st beta ever p
    you are most likely right about that :)
  • elvenangelelvenangel Member Posts: 2,205

    For 18 years aye? So you've been playing games since the original Nintendo / atari days? How do you like test nintendo and atari games? As far as I know unless you lived in Japan or knew the guys who started Atari you didn't!!  You're not the only one thats beta tested alot of the MMO games that are out, mos tof the people on these boards have beta tested atleast 3 to 4 maybe even more games over the past several years.  

    Games of the MMO type that weren't MUDS didn't really come around until the what mid early 90s? Ultima's only been around for 10 years and I know they didn't do Beta with the original game because it would of been damn impossible to download the game at 14 to 56k dialup.   

    Vanguard's been in full beta for almost a year and it does show especially with them patching and fixing like mad the past week.  You may think the graphics cause lag for you but I've got it on High settings and it the only lag I get is from being in highly populated zones which even games that are OUT now get. 

    You're assement it looks like an alpha game is way off base if not a flat out lie.    If you were an internal beta tester you should be fired I'm pretty sure YOUR NDA hasn't lifted if you work there. 

     

    Please Refer to Doom Cat with all conspiracies & evil corporation complaints. He'll give you the simple explination of..WE"RE ALL DOOMED!

  • freethinkerfreethinker Member UncommonPosts: 775
    Originally posted by j9ncalif

    I been playing Games for 18 years and have alpha/beta tested the majority of them.  Majority of my work I worked along side of the developers balancing systems.  I was absolutely shocked when I first played Vangaurd.  What ticked me off the most is they plan on releasing it a month later.  It was horrible!  I've seen prior closed alphas with more stability and less lag.  They had it classifed as a open beta when it should be a closed alpha (it needs major work).  I was shocked because it made oldies like Ultima Online & Everquest look good.  Sure it had pretty graphics at first glance but if you tried to use those settings you wouldn't be going anywhere cuz every other step the lag would freeze you for a few seconds.  So everyone has to play with the lowest setting of graphics, which had horrid graphics, and we still got a decent share of lag!  I played it for a day or two and figured why bother when you have games like WoW out.  I wouldn't play Vangaurd when it was free for me.  It's a loser and won't go anywhere...mark these words.  Don't give these guys your money so they can turn around and make more crap like this.  I don't even believe it's worth my time as a professional tester to test unless they paid me for it.  This gaming vet was absolutely 110% disappointed.  The only thing they do get some points for is for their mass advertising campaign.
    I've read your post and have come to two conclusions:



    1. paragraphs are your friend.



    2. you are not a professional anything...except maybe Troll.

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  • PonicoPonico Member UncommonPosts: 650
    Originally posted by j9ncalif

    I been playing Games for 18 years and have alpha/beta tested the majority of them.  Majority of my work I worked along side of the developers balancing systems.  I was absolutely shocked when I first played Vangaurd.  What ticked me off the most is they plan on releasing it a month later.  It was horrible!  I've seen prior closed alphas with more stability and less lag.  They had it classifed as a open beta when it should be a closed alpha (it needs major work).  I was shocked because it made oldies like Ultima Online & Everquest look good.  Sure it had pretty graphics at first glance but if you tried to use those settings you wouldn't be going anywhere cuz every other step the lag would freeze you for a few seconds.  So everyone has to play with the lowest setting of graphics, which had horrid graphics, and we still got a decent share of lag!  I played it for a day or two and figured why bother when you have games like WoW out.  I wouldn't play Vangaurd when it was free for me.  It's a loser and won't go anywhere...mark these words.  Don't give these guys your money so they can turn around and make more crap like this.  I don't even believe it's worth my time as a professional tester to test unless they paid me for it.  This gaming vet was absolutely 110% disappointed.  The only thing they do get some points for is for their mass advertising campaign.
    I work in an Outsourcing Gaming compagny and we specialize in Porting and Quality Assurance. My position is Quality Assurance Coordinator. I think the way you are threating the matter is Bias, unfair and at the least arrogant... The game is actually quite playable and quite polished. As a professional in the industry you shouldn't even post stuff like that on Forums. fair enough, you are not violating any laws or NDAs but your job is to support the market and find bugs. Paid or not paid, you wanted to be part of the beta well now you are and you should take this time to actually help the devellopement of the game. IIf you really do not like this game then you should simply move on. Starting negative posts like this is simply a total waste of your time and a complete discredits to who you claim to be.



    I actually love the game and what do you think I do when I play? I take the time to write bug reports with proper steps to reproduce and supply accurate information that could be related to the bug. Yes, maybe Vanguard is not actually as good as the advertisement but seriously, it deserves it's chance and by properly testing this game, I must admit that Sigil is trying hard to push the limits. Now did they actually accomplish their goals?



    If you have 18 years of extreme gaming knowledge then you should use that potential in helping the community. You shouldn't be here bashing the game without any proper proof that the game is bad.



    So believe me or not, it doesn't really matter... What matter is, how stupid you are making us look at the moment. It took us years to actually gain a certain level of respect inside the gaming industry.



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  • tryqustryqus Member Posts: 1
    I'm a little worried as well. The direction they're going with Vanguard is interesting; to say the very least. I really hope it does all that hype justice.



    I'm afraid that I haven't really enjoyed an MMO in quite some time.



    SWG Pre-Cu.



    Enough said.



    -Mrow
  • PonicoPonico Member UncommonPosts: 650
    If Vanguard doesn't do it for my guild and I... I'll be going back to EVE until something else comes out :P

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  • IlluseveIlluseve Member Posts: 11
    Originally posted by elvenangel

    Games of the MMO type that weren't MUDS didn't really come around until the what mid early 90s? Ultima's only been around for 10 years and I know they didn't do Beta with the original game because it would of been damn impossible to download the game at 14 to 56k dialup.   

     


    eh, they'll mail you a cd (or used to at least) UO definitely had beta testers, and MAYBE this guy was one of them (probably not). So who cares? I mean, I appreciate the great civil service of trying to save people money, but you're not the first on these forums. Go into the special section called "flaming that won't change a single mind"

    On a side note, I wouldn't of thought mary_jane was 40 years old :)) Ill have to reconsider lots of names and the people behind them I guess

  • TredrickTredrick Member Posts: 5
    Ha!  I beta tested Pong! 



    My ancestors were in on the original Ping Pong beta test.  Not only that, I have the original bug report on the cannon in Chinese Chess being able to jump two pieces to attack.



    If you look in the "Thank you playtesters!" section of the Book of Love, you will find several generations of my family.



    Hoyle stole all the credit from my family.



    I invented the phrase "Don't hate the player, hate the game!"
  • b4t3m4nb4t3m4n Member Posts: 91
    Originally posted by Ponico

    If Vanguard doesn't do it for my guild and I... I'll be going back to EVE until something else comes out :P
    Err. guild... eve, tell me where you are so I can pod you <_<



    Also, I agree, Vanguard is coming around, I like the game a lot and have had my preorder in for weeks, but it is by no means polished.  No mmo is truly "polished" on release day.  There were still areas I couldn't get too today and the beta closes tomorrow :p.  The rate they patch the game is remarkable though, so I am sure they will have things sorted out for the most part by next  Tuesday (or early for the pre-orders o/)
  • daklight128daklight128 Member Posts: 8
    Originally posted by aristoculous

    Originally posted by daklight128

    Well they`ve made huge improvements every day, they have an update every 2 days which has like 2-3 pages of readme fixes and additions made.

    For 18 years u havent played much if u consider this an alpha.

    Personally I think its the same old hashed wow/eq remake crap (level/class based rpg`s are relic from pen and paper rpgs... ffs)  but thats what the majority love.

    The games industry is like the film industry, seldom are the academy award winners the biggest blockbusters.

    SOE always have a big marketing strategy and probably more stastics for sales and customers than we could read in a day. It wont flop, niether will LOTR , they wont even dent WOW`s addon sales tho. But I doubt anygame will in the foreseable future.
    I beg to differ. New MMO's that are comming out offer something different then WoW does, be it crafting or new combat system, aside from different visual appearance.



    I wonder if we ever see a Press Release from Blizzard, stating they have 8 mill subs Burning Crusade( meaning all current WoW subs upgraded).



    So far every MMO's expansion pack have been alienating the players from those that prefer to play original, or cant/wont upgrade. Er..



    “ Representatives from Blizzard Entertainment have announced that The Burning Crusade, the first expansion to its enormously successful World of Warcraft MMO, has broken day-one sales records to become the fastest selling PC game in North America and Europe.”



    Dent that!!.. an expansion is the fastest selling game ever..I cant even believe it..

  • terrifiedterrified Member Posts: 143
    Originally posted by Ponico

    Originally posted by j9ncalif

    I been playing Games for 18 years and have alpha/beta tested the majority of them.  Majority of my work I worked along side of the developers balancing systems.  I was absolutely shocked when I first played Vangaurd.  What ticked me off the most is they plan on releasing it a month later.  It was horrible!  I've seen prior closed alphas with more stability and less lag.  They had it classifed as a open beta when it should be a closed alpha (it needs major work).  I was shocked because it made oldies like Ultima Online & Everquest look good.  Sure it had pretty graphics at first glance but if you tried to use those settings you wouldn't be going anywhere cuz every other step the lag would freeze you for a few seconds.  So everyone has to play with the lowest setting of graphics, which had horrid graphics, and we still got a decent share of lag!  I played it for a day or two and figured why bother when you have games like WoW out.  I wouldn't play Vangaurd when it was free for me.  It's a loser and won't go anywhere...mark these words.  Don't give these guys your money so they can turn around and make more crap like this.  I don't even believe it's worth my time as a professional tester to test unless they paid me for it.  This gaming vet was absolutely 110% disappointed.  The only thing they do get some points for is for their mass advertising campaign.
    I work in an Outsourcing Gaming compagny and we specialize in Porting and Quality Assurance. My position is Quality Assurance Coordinator. I think the way you are threating the matter is Bias, unfair and at the least arrogant... The game is actually quite playable and quite polished. As a professional in the industry you shouldn't even post stuff like that on Forums. fair enough, you are not violating any laws or NDAs but your job is to support the market and find bugs. Paid or not paid, you wanted to be part of the beta well now you are and you should take this time to actually help the devellopement of the game. IIf you really do not like this game then you should simply move on. Starting negative posts like this is simply a total waste of your time and a complete discredits to who you claim to be.



    I actually love the game and what do you think I do when I play? I take the time to write bug reports with proper steps to reproduce and supply accurate information that could be related to the bug. Yes, maybe Vanguard is not actually as good as the advertisement but seriously, it deserves it's chance and by properly testing this game, I must admit that Sigil is trying hard to push the limits. Now did they actually accomplish their goals?



    If you have 18 years of extreme gaming knowledge then you should use that potential in helping the community. You shouldn't be here bashing the game without any proper proof that the game is bad.



    So believe me or not, it doesn't really matter... What matter is, how stupid you are making us look at the moment. It took us years to actually gain a certain level of respect inside the gaming industry.



    very well done and thought out :) see everyone this is how a professional gaming tester actually works. pluse i HIGHLY doubt a 28 year old would be PROFESSIONALLY testing games for 18 years theres these things called child labor laws where people at age 10 cant work ( as it seems the OP is a moron he might not even know math so 28 years old - 18 years = 10 years old) and as we all seen the OP has stated VERY little IF ANY truth in all of his posting on this thread
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