Next patch 17.1 fc is nerfing away bio cocoon lol. Goodbye to more of your paying customers fc that enjoy pvp. Since the nt class caused this i pity anyone playing one after this patch goes live lol. All nts look forward to being shunned by the in game community.
Next patch 17.1 fc is nerfing away bio cocoon lol. Goodbye to more of your paying customers fc that enjoy pvp. Since the nt class caused this i pity anyone playing one after this patch goes live lol. All nts look forward to being shunned by the in game community.
A quote from the community manager as a response to this whining:
"There was no alternative to this change once people started not raising their Body dev deliberately (items we can modify but we cant force people to put IP into Body Dev ). yes it will reduce effectiveness in PvP slightly, we realise that fully. We will of course monitor the overall effect, but this change was necessary to prevent these almost invulnerable builds."
Note he says "invulnerable builds". There are large imbalances in PvP from some classes, and part of that is being addressed here. Low HP setups are now a thing of the past, as are absorbs that are too powerful. It's a step in the right direction, trying to balance things out. If you played an uber class that got "balanced" by the patch, cry or whine all you want. The fact is, balance is good, imbalance is what truly makes people leave.
As for NTs being shunned by the community: they already have been for the last five years. I play an NT as my main, and all the NTs I know are alts. There isn't one person I can think of that plays one as their main. NTs need love so bad to bring them back to a "main profession" it isn't funny. FC also needs to make up for the lack of love and poor gameplay for the last five years for the class, so expect more of the same in the future, I think.
Next patch 17.1 fc is nerfing away bio cocoon lol. Goodbye to more of your paying customers fc that enjoy pvp. Since the nt class caused this i pity anyone playing one after this patch goes live lol. All nts look forward to being shunned by the in game community.
A quote from the community manager as a response to this whining:
"There was no alternative to this change once people started not raising their Body dev deliberately (items we can modify but we cant force people to put IP into Body Dev ). yes it will reduce effectiveness in PvP slightly, we realise that fully. We will of course monitor the overall effect, but this change was necessary to prevent these almost invulnerable builds."
Note he says "invulnerable builds". There are large imbalances in PvP from some classes, and part of that is being addressed here. Low HP setups are now a thing of the past, as are absorbs that are too powerful. It's a step in the right direction, trying to balance things out. If you played an uber class that got "balanced" by the patch, cry or whine all you want. The fact is, balance is good, imbalance is what truly makes people leave.
As for NTs being shunned by the community: they already have been for the last five years. I play an NT as my main, and all the NTs I know are alts. There isn't one person I can think of that plays one as their main. NTs need love so bad to bring them back to a "main profession" it isn't funny. FC also needs to make up for the lack of love and poor gameplay for the last five years for the class, so expect more of the same in the future, I think.
Lol i find it so funny that you defend this. Basically some nts decided to use low hp builds to exploit. Funcom then decides in their incompetence to instead of banning them or fixing the nts so its no longer possible but instead they are going to nerf four classes keeper,adventuer,engineer,enforcer, of one of their main skills. Lol only a complete imbecile would agree with that logic. Wheres Mr. Spock when you need him to explain logic to you and funcom. From that point of view if people were in a bank while it was being robbed all the people there would have to be jailed along with the robber. Lets punish four innocent classes because some **** nt did wrong lol. Nt was disliked before but if this goes though be prepared to be truly hated as pariahs. One word sums it up illogical.
Advy/keeper and engy are in the top pvp class right now any real pvper knows that, only enfs are really affected by the absorb change and anyone whining about it needs to learn to pvp without being unkillable this is a great change and most people probably agree except a few whiney RPers that only rely on cocoon to pvp. Theres tons of ignorant in that thread complaining that their cocoon will be taken down in 1 special all the time, for an agent with AS its pretty much gonna happen but a soldier rarely caps FA on evade advy/keepers and specials dont land on engys with blockers.
Cancel your account over that if you want that will be one less ignorant in AO.
Originally posted by Poornstar Advy/keeper and engy are in the top pvp class right now any real pvper knows that, only enfs are really affected by the absorb change and anyone whining about it needs to learn to pvp without being unkillable this is a great change and most people probably agree except a few whiney RPers that only rely on cocoon to pvp. Theres tons of ignorant in that thread complaining that their cocoon will be taken down in 1 special all the time, for an agent with AS its pretty much gonna happen but a soldier rarely caps FA on evade advy/keepers and specials dont land on engys with blockers.
Cancel your account over that if you want that will be one less ignorant in AO.
Nerf them all and let god sort them out huh? lol The difference here is that it's not about balance it's punishment for what the nts did. So you really think this would of happened anyway if nts didn't cause it? No, fc was getting tons of complaints and petitions about the nts so fc decided to solve it in the laziest and fastest way possible with no concern for classes that had nothing to do with it. Balance no punishment yes and certainly illogical, i won't even start on the fact this screws everyone who used their full ipr already. What a sick sense of justice and logic, nerf keeper,advy,engineer,enforcer, to punish and fix nts.
edit: I just thought of something, tell me the class of your main. When you do my friends and i will find an exploit on another class in game and use it to death and when fc decides to fix it i'll be sure to tell fc to nerf your main's class. After all you should pay for others mistakes thats only fair in the eyes of funcom lol.
its not a punishment, they were sitting around a table thinking what would be the best easiest logical implementation that would get rid of the problem and future problems with low hp setups. They came up with that idea and probably noticed it would affect cocoon. They repeated the same thought process and judged that theses class were overpowered in pvp anyways, capping BS flags with cocoon easily, and that a nerf wouldnt affect them much. Of course the few RPers and clueless noobs jumped on the were doomed bandwagon and it ended up in a 20page+ omgweregonnadie when attacked by 2 people whinefest. Reason gone from their mind from the habit of being gods for years, they just got what they deserved.
Originally posted by Poornstar its not a punishment, they were sitting around a table thinking what would be the best easiest logical implementation that would get rid of the problem and future problems with low hp setups. They came up with that idea and probably noticed it would affect cocoon. They repeated the same thought process and judged that theses class were overpowered in pvp anyways, capping BS flags with cocoon easily, and that a nerf wouldnt affect them much. Of course the few RPers and clueless noobs jumped on the were doomed bandwagon and it ended up in a 20page+ omgweregonnadie when attacked by 2 people whinefest. Reason gone from their mind from the habit of being gods for years, they just got what they deserved.Its not a nerf, its a wide bug and balance fix.
I'm just glad my account didn't renew, i canceled it after it after le screwed the game up and it will expire shortly. I know many people already pissed over the le issues see this as another stupid mistake and will quit. I don't care how it's spinned by funcom i'm not paying for others mistakes by letting them do an unethical and illogical nerf to my toons {yes it is a nerf}. A straight nerf for the sake of balance i could understand and live with but thats not what's going to happen in this case. Nerfing and pissing off all the people that play the four classes in question to fix an nt exploit is by no means fair or ethical to those that had no part in it. I refuse to pay for nt's mistakes by being made weaker. Funcom's logic is flawed and if you can't see that then i pity you. If it weren't based on a situation caused by nt's actions but instead a general straight balance fix it would be a different story but the way it is now it's unfair,unethical, and illogical.
I'm just glad my account didn't renew, i canceled it after it after le screwed the game up and it will expire shortly. I know many people already pissed over the le issues see this as another stupid mistake and will quit. I don't care how it's spinned by funcom i'm not paying for others mistakes by letting them do an unethical and illogical nerf to my toons {yes it is a nerf}. A straight nerf for the sake of balance i could understand and live with but thats not what's going to happen in this case. Nerfing and pissing off all the people that play the four classes in question to fix an nt exploit is by no means fair or ethical to those that had no part in it. I refuse to pay for nt's mistakes by being made weaker. Funcom's logic is flawed and if you can't see that then i pity you. If it weren't based on a situation caused by nt's actions but instead a general straight balance fix it would be a different story but the way it is now it's unfair,unethical, and illogical.
That's actually good news, less people that think imbalance in PvP is a good thing. Enjoy your time away.
By the way, NTs weren't the only ones exploiting the low HP, but they were the easiest to do it with. And since this change brings more BALANCE to PvP as a whole in AO, it's a good change. Sorry you don't see that, and are blinded by the "I'm no longer ultra-uber" in PvP thing.
It's probably the same way low-HP setups would have felt if they had been allowed to remain as they were for five years. Gods in PvP, then reduced to a more balanced and fair role by a change to the mechanics. People would scream, not realizing they had it GOOD for all that time, and should have been nerfed into balance long ago.
It's truly amazing how people don't see this. Or know it and still try to fight it. It's ignorant, and selfish. And anyone fighting for it leaving the game has my blessing.
Its really stupid to talk about ethics in mmorpgs considering every time you log in you have to give up all your rights to ownership/freedom of speech. Every time you click accept you agree to live in a fascist world where the leader can decide to erase you from the surface of the earth, jail you and change the law at will without any sort of democratic process so complaining about a balance fix (who cares if it wasnt advertised as such everyone knows what is is) is dumb. Your just going through an emotional uprising since the change are obviously affecting you and will use about any reason to whine about it. You should just grow up at this point and live with it, or keep making a clown of yourself and going on a e-crusade making threats about how your gonna get a lawyer and sue them for breaking the non-existant mmorpg ethics constitution.
As for the nuclear bomb dropping comparison, this change wont kill anyone and prevent them from logging in a radioactive server for the next centuries. If something kills the game, which imo is already dieing, it wont be because of 1 small change like that, contentless 30$ expansion will more likely do the job.
I think you're missing the basic point of the mechanic change Ryuk.
They saw a change to the way layers work would not only correct an exploit going on, but HELP to balance PvP across the board for many overpowered professions there. So instead of "nerfing" one profession, they "nerfed" the way a particular advantage works for multiple classes, and brought greater balance overall.
If you can't see that, go get some Windex and clean off the old glasses friend. Everyone pays the same, everyone should have nearly the same fun in-game, and not constantly be a target or on the loosing side. Balance across the board is a GOOD thing. FC saw an opportunity to introduce more of it, and did so.
Who is the little joker there? I dont remember the AO crowd being that.... WoWish. AO always had real players before, people you could rely on in a storm, not someone that start crying when he get sand in his eyes.
"This is not a game to be tossed aside lightly. It should be thrown with great force"
Originally posted by Poornstar Its really stupid to talk about ethics in mmorpgs considering every time you log in you have to give up all your rights to ownership/freedom of speech. Every time you click accept you agree to live in a fascist world where the leader can decide to erase you from the surface of the earth, jail you and change the law at will without any sort of democratic process so complaining about a balance fix (who cares if it wasnt advertised as such everyone knows what is is) is dumb. Your just going through an emotional uprising since the change are obviously affecting you and will use about any reason to whine about it. You should just grow up at this point and live with it, or keep making a clown of yourself and going on a e-crusade making threats about how your gonna get a lawyer and sue them for breaking the non-existant mmorpg ethics constitution.As for the nuclear bomb dropping comparison, this change wont kill anyone and prevent them from logging in a radioactive server for the next centuries. If something kills the game, which imo is already dieing, it wont be because of 1 small change like that, contentless 30$ expansion will more likely do the job.
Stop putting words in my mouth, your a little liar i said nothing about a lawsuit or getting a lawyer thats your delusion. You can't tell fantasy from reality now lol. Explaining it to you again is pointless your an idiot and i'm done doing business with fuckcom. Enjoy all the nerfs and i better not see you post anywhere you disagree with anything fuckcom does now or in the future. Otherwise you would be a hypocrite. Just because i'm the only one posting here that's against it doesn't make me a clown, go tell everyone in the ao forums that disagree with it their clowns and see what happens. I doubt you even play ao and can't even do that.
Stop putting words in my mouth, your a little liar i said nothing about a lawsuit or getting a lawyer thats your delusion. You can't tell fantasy from reality now lol. Explaining it to you again is pointless your an idiot and i'm done doing business with fuckcom. Enjoy all the nerfs and i better not see you post anywhere you disagree with anything fuckcom does now or in the future. Otherwise you would be a hypocrite. Just because i'm the only one posting here that's against it doesn't make me a clown, go tell everyone in the ao forums that disagree with it their clowns and see what happens. I doubt you even play ao and can't even do that.
Fantasy from reality? Your the one who said improving the game was unethical and wrong just because they havent explicitly stated it in the PRELIMINARY patch notes. Its a good thing you dont do buisness with them anymore you obviously are the kind of people I wouldnt want to deal with if I ever decide to play again. Its not a nerf for once they improved the game! Dont bother looking for post where I disagree with Funcom in the future, you could just check past post and see I disagree with most of the time, but in this case its just a great change I cant whine about that.
The AO forums are full of clueless whiners fanbois so arguing with people like that is hopeless. I know most vets agree with the change, I read a few page of the thread your talking about and the whiners were mostly noobs and RPers. We might finally be able to see who are the good advys/keepers even tho evades are still overpowered.
Sorry again for your lvl 150 cocoon character but if you end up still playing good luck with the adaptation.
I can certainly say that this is a good change by Funcom... I've played the game since beta of it's original release.
This change will help bring better balance to PvP, although several other changes are still needed (namely Aimed Shot/Evades). There are a few rants on this topic on different boards including those on the official website, but honestly all the ranters are people whom may not be playing in God Mode in PvP soon.
This will not only get rid of an exploit, but the change also helps balance PvP both at a high end (so called 'lovechild' professions) and at a low level end (where the Layers/HoT/ Low HP tactic have been used for years).
Much of the community is excited about this change and I've seen posts on the official forums where some people are coming back as a result.
Also, take the original poster with a grain of salt, because as he admitted himself, he had already cancelled his account before this change.
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"There was no alternative to this change once people started not raising their Body dev deliberately (items we can modify but we cant force people to put IP into Body Dev
Note he says "invulnerable builds". There are large imbalances in PvP from some classes, and part of that is being addressed here. Low HP setups are now a thing of the past, as are absorbs that are too powerful. It's a step in the right direction, trying to balance things out. If you played an uber class that got "balanced" by the patch, cry or whine all you want. The fact is, balance is good, imbalance is what truly makes people leave.
As for NTs being shunned by the community: they already have been for the last five years. I play an NT as my main, and all the NTs I know are alts. There isn't one person I can think of that plays one as their main. NTs need love so bad to bring them back to a "main profession" it isn't funny. FC also needs to make up for the lack of love and poor gameplay for the last five years for the class, so expect more of the same in the future, I think.
Cancel your account over that if you want that will be one less ignorant in AO.
edit: I just thought of something, tell me the class of your main. When you do my friends and i will find an exploit on another class in game and use it to death and when fc decides to fix it i'll be sure to tell fc to nerf your main's class. After all you should pay for others mistakes thats only fair in the eyes of funcom lol.
Its not a nerf, its a wide bug and balance fix.
That's actually good news, less people that think imbalance in PvP is a good thing. Enjoy your time away.
By the way, NTs weren't the only ones exploiting the low HP, but they were the easiest to do it with. And since this change brings more BALANCE to PvP as a whole in AO, it's a good change. Sorry you don't see that, and are blinded by the "I'm no longer ultra-uber" in PvP thing.
It's probably the same way low-HP setups would have felt if they had been allowed to remain as they were for five years. Gods in PvP, then reduced to a more balanced and fair role by a change to the mechanics. People would scream, not realizing they had it GOOD for all that time, and should have been nerfed into balance long ago.
It's truly amazing how people don't see this. Or know it and still try to fight it. It's ignorant, and selfish. And anyone fighting for it leaving the game has my blessing.
As for the nuclear bomb dropping comparison, this change wont kill anyone and prevent them from logging in a radioactive server for the next centuries. If something kills the game, which imo is already dieing, it wont be because of 1 small change like that, contentless 30$ expansion will more likely do the job.
They saw a change to the way layers work would not only correct an exploit going on, but HELP to balance PvP across the board for many overpowered professions there. So instead of "nerfing" one profession, they "nerfed" the way a particular advantage works for multiple classes, and brought greater balance overall.
If you can't see that, go get some Windex and clean off the old glasses friend. Everyone pays the same, everyone should have nearly the same fun in-game, and not constantly be a target or on the loosing side. Balance across the board is a GOOD thing. FC saw an opportunity to introduce more of it, and did so.
"This is not a game to be tossed aside lightly.
It should be thrown with great force"
Fantasy from reality? Your the one who said improving the game was unethical and wrong just because they havent explicitly stated it in the PRELIMINARY patch notes. Its a good thing you dont do buisness with them anymore you obviously are the kind of people I wouldnt want to deal with if I ever decide to play again. Its not a nerf for once they improved the game! Dont bother looking for post where I disagree with Funcom in the future, you could just check past post and see I disagree with most of the time, but in this case its just a great change I cant whine about that.
The AO forums are full of clueless whiners fanbois so arguing with people like that is hopeless. I know most vets agree with the change, I read a few page of the thread your talking about and the whiners were mostly noobs and RPers. We might finally be able to see who are the good advys/keepers even tho evades are still overpowered.
Sorry again for your lvl 150 cocoon character but if you end up still playing good luck with the adaptation.
I can certainly say that this is a good change by Funcom... I've played the game since beta of it's original release.
This change will help bring better balance to PvP, although several other changes are still needed (namely Aimed Shot/Evades). There are a few rants on this topic on different boards including those on the official website, but honestly all the ranters are people whom may not be playing in God Mode in PvP soon.
This will not only get rid of an exploit, but the change also helps balance PvP both at a high end (so called 'lovechild' professions) and at a low level end (where the Layers/HoT/ Low HP tactic have been used for years).
Much of the community is excited about this change and I've seen posts on the official forums where some people are coming back as a result.
Also, take the original poster with a grain of salt, because as he admitted himself, he had already cancelled his account before this change.