Read through his post history... He has preordered Vanguard and now he has just decided to troll any other game than the piece of junk he bought. He do not know why, he has no reason, he just need to throw crap at anything else, and praise what he bought, like some monkey throwing feces around his own cage. I dont support Lotro... But I really think the rabid JIhad fans of vanguard need to be put down, they are a damn waste of good, fresh air.
LOL I seriously laughed at your 6th grade insults...the fact that you put "monkey feces" and "jihad" in back to back sentences is somewhat amusing, and yet somehow out of place. Actually I haven't posted on any game on this site besides LOTRO and Vanguard because I have experience with them both and can do so intelligently.
Also, please note that I haven't directly insulted anyone in this thread unlike yourself. If I disagree with someone I am able to intelligenly articulate rational viewpoints and don't need to resort to personal attacks.
The $200/forever thing is kind of weird. I doubt any game would hold my interest for 20 consecutive months. The $10/month deal is pretty swanky though. If you were going to buy the game at release. Looks like you can't terminate your account with that deal either though.
The $200/forever thing is kind of weird. I doubt any game would hold my interest for 20 consecutive months. The $10/month deal is pretty swanky though. If you were going to buy the game at release.
I think they are just throwing in several different incentives to get people to pre-order. Some will do it for the $9.99/mo pricing, others will do it for the rollovers, others for the items, and others for the $200 lifetime account.
With so many MMOs out there to choose from it's just a little incentive for those who might be on the fence. If someone thinks they might want to try it, then this just gives them a little push.
Those of us who have already decided to buy it were going to pre-order or buy it at release anyway. For us it's just a bonus.
I was in the vanguard beta and i got to level 7 on a wolf shadow knight guy ... i thought it was fun and interesting but about then i realized .. this is wow like moves in a eq2 graphics enviorment and eq difficulty. The only thing that VG brings to the table is the whole card thing which sadly was the only fun part of the beta to me. The rest was a been there, done that feel. Some of the quests were neat like the whole blob quest and "merging" with it in blood but beyond that nothing. I hate crafting so i couldn;t care less about that.
Now on to the LotRO stuff.. mmm yea i like the 200 lifetime thing because this game is going to be around .. look at SWG the name alone means people will play it forever no matter what happens. Same with LotR man .. i just want to run around and see the stuff the movies left out mostly. The Monster pvp thing is interesting and i can't wait to see what they do with that. So like i said $5 bucks to do the beta and try the game and if i like it .. i will play it .. if i don't i won't that simple. Bash LotRO all you want but some of us play just to do something different then .. grind 100 mobs and gain a level. Exploring the maps and having fun is what matters most and this is true for any mmo.
edit - proof to back up the whole vanguard doesn't bring anything new to the table thing i said ^^ and who cares if LotR doesn't as long as it is fun i couldn;t care less about how it played.
I'm sorry Tomfred but I have to strongly disagree with you, started an account just to do so,
Same here. Well, if nothing else tomfred you are boosting new account creations for mmorpg.com . Hey I think I figured out who you work for LOL, but if you notice the poster you are quoting was being sarcastic and really agrees with me
What a ridiculous trolling attempt. I realized it was ridiculous when TomFred mentioned "invest in quality product" and "Vanguard" in the same post. I was in that beta, and Vanguard is far from quality. Server crashes, bugged quests, bugged CharGen...right up until lights out on beta. Sad really, because I wanted Sigil to really nail this release.
The $199 Founder program is rather brilliant. The more people that they can get to commit to $199, the sooner they can pay back the principle on their development loans, and the less interest they have to pay said lenders. That in itself is smart business right there. This could easily save them several millions in interest dollars right there, meaning more investment in the future game development.
Perhaps if Sigil had thought of such a brilliant marketing move, they could have given themselves a few more months to polish their game.
_____________________________ Currently Playing: LOTRO; DDO Played: AC2, AO, Auto Assault, CoX, DAoC, DDO, Earth&Beyond, EQ1, EQ2, EVE, Fallen Earth, Jumpgate, Roma Victor, Second Life, SWG, V:SoH, WoW, World War II Online.
Games I'm watching: Infinity: The Quest for Earth, Force of Arms.
What a ridiculous trolling attempt. I realized it was ridiculous when TomFred mentioned "invest in quality product" and "Vanguard" in the same post. I was in that beta, and Vanguard is far from quality. Server crashes, bugged quests, bugged CharGen...right up until lights out on beta. Sad really, because I wanted Sigil to really nail this release.
I really think this game is scaring the crap out of the SOE boys right now, and for good reason from what I have heard from friends. I don't know if it will ever break a million subs but I think it is damn sure going to make the SOE games look like the ugly ducklings and that is coming from a EQII fan since beta. Rumor on the street has it that this game is far more polished and fun right now than Vanguard and it has 3 months of development time left before it is pay to play
Although this move by Turbine doesn't appeal to me at the least.
Turbine still has a good game releasing.
You could play for a long time if you don't rush through all the content like most people do.
The game isn't for me however. It just doesn't "feel right". I can't put my finger on it.
Originally posted by tomfred81
Wow, I won't even attempt to respond to that ignorant comment. You obviously don't have a clue....do a little research before you post please. I'm not even gonna waste the time explaining everything to you....the information is out there if you feel like being informed.
Also, patches will not help LOTRO...the graphics and quests are mainly polished-its the gameplay as a whole that needs fixing, not minor bugs or animations or quest lines like Vanguard.
Stop making this into a LOTRO vs Vanguard debate.
OMGLOL
That is the most LOL post I have read all day
OMGLOL
That is the most LOL post I have read all day
Four things:
He says he "won't even attempt to respond to that ignorant comment" when he does... in a well sized post. Half of the post was saying he wouldn't respond
The text is red, meaning he LOVES attention Bahahahhaha
LOL Vanguard was bashed so much a week or so back because of the FPS, the floating in the air, the unfinished graphics, and junk
and LOTRO is not being bashed at all.
LOTRO is a well made game with a very awesome beta program. From people who have been in it say that the Alpha was running better than most MMO's Beta.
He started the "debate." He LOL'd at Lotro and then advertised for Vanguard. He says "Stop making this into a LOTRO vs Vanguard debate."
Although this move by Turbine doesn't appeal to me at the least.
Turbine still has a good game releasing.
You could play for a long time if you don't rush through all the content like most people do.
The game isn't for me however. It just doesn't "feel right". I can't put my finger on it.
Just out of curiosity have you played the game or is your feeling based on what you have seen/read? I was a public contest winner from mmoradio.com(Can't break an NDA that was broken from the start :?)
And I can honestly say that is my feeling as a Beta participant.
Although this move by Turbine doesn't appeal to me at the least.
Turbine still has a good game releasing.
You could play for a long time if you don't rush through all the content like most people do.
The game isn't for me however. It just doesn't "feel right". I can't put my finger on it.
Just out of curiosity have you played the game or is your feeling based on what you have seen/read? I was a public contest winner from mmoradio.com(Can't break an NDA that was broken from the start :?)
And I can honestly say that is my feeling as a Beta participant.
Yep, sounds nice, i pre-order right away when same offer comes available in Europe
I hope you're just being sarcastic... This looks like the same rip off then Dark & Light, only this time, with a bigger time to back it up.
And I hope you're being sarcastic. This is not Turbine's first foray into MMOs. Maybe you don't like some of their other games, but this isn't a massive scheme to rip people off. I also believe people learn from past mistakes. Jeez, there are a lot of jaded people around here. It's a game. If it's fun for you then play it. If it's not then don't.
They aren't making their money by selling the box. Subscriptions are where the money's at. If the game isn't fun then people won't buy the subscriptions. The fact that the give those who pre-order a chance to play in the open beta (which also means a chance to back out) and a monthly fee of $9.99 tells me that they have faith in their product.
Although this move by Turbine doesn't appeal to me at the least.
Turbine still has a good game releasing.
You could play for a long time if you don't rush through all the content like most people do.
The game isn't for me however. It just doesn't "feel right". I can't put my finger on it.
Originally posted by tomfred81
Wow, I won't even attempt to respond to that ignorant comment. You obviously don't have a clue....do a little research before you post please. I'm not even gonna waste the time explaining everything to you....the information is out there if you feel like being informed.
Also, patches will not help LOTRO...the graphics and quests are mainly polished-its the gameplay as a whole that needs fixing, not minor bugs or animations or quest lines like Vanguard.
Stop making this into a LOTRO vs Vanguard debate.
OMGLOL
That is the most LOL post I have read all day
OMGLOL
That is the most LOL post I have read all day
Four things:
He says he "won't even attempt to respond to that ignorant comment" when he does... in a well sized post. Half of the post was saying he wouldn't respond
The text is red, meaning he LOVES attention Bahahahhaha
LOL Vanguard was bashed so much a week or so back because of the FPS, the floating in the air, the unfinished graphics, and junk
and LOTRO is not being bashed at all.
LOTRO is a well made game with a very awesome beta program. From people who have been in it say that the Alpha was running better than most MMO's Beta.
He started the "debate." He LOL'd at Lotro and then advertised for Vanguard. He says "Stop making this into a LOTRO vs Vanguard debate."
I can't say anything about the gameplay, but graphics wise, the game is horrible, but then it feels like Turbine has always been using the same artist for years.
I just dont see how the poster can bash a game when its not even going to be an official game till April 27. Thats alot of time for changes.. I mean even his lovechild aka Vanguard has gone thru huge changes in just one month. If this was going live this week then his point of view would have some merit. But considering theres almost 75 plus days till its live, just plain stupid to say you can give any type of review now.
Just read the Vanguard forums from 3 months ago. What was said then compared to now is night and day. So lets see what happens in the next few months.
As for the preorder incentives, they are pretty nice. As for the 199 versus 9.99, thats a tough choice. If pay the 200 at least never have to worry about keeping the account active all the time.. kinda of becomes an expensive Guild Wars. Least you have plenty of time to test the game and decide before they charge your card. I hope this game does well. )
Nothing should be compared to Dark and Light other than a huge, steaming pile of #%@^!!
Anyways, it is not uncommon for some games to allow characters to carry over from Open Beta; it's an incentive to keep people playing and not have to start all over again (depending on the level they obtained). Lineage 2, when it came out, offered the carry over from OB to retail and worked fairly well -- I still have my character from then and still play today. Also, it takes absolutely nothing away from those that never had the opportunity. It frees up starter areas.
The founders offer is nice. If a person really likes the game and is interested, they'll keep playing. Heck, I still go to games I started when they first came out (ie, EvE, Planetside, EQII, tried SWG *shudders* never really liked it to begin with, and WoW), so the lifetime membership is pretty cool.
Well my take on this is Turbine marketing is finally waking up. The DDO launch they kind of just thought they could live off the D&D brand name. There wasn't nearly enough marketing for the game for it to reach casual gamers. They need to get momentum and subscribers right out of the gate. This is rewarding the players that were going to buy this game anyways and will help people on the fence get the pre-order which is going to really prop up the launch sales, Remember you don't have to buy the year in advance on the preorder. By having very high initial sales Turbine will be able to get alot of retail shelf space where they currently really don't have a presence.
I was in the WoW beta and that came was a pretty polished game. From what I have seen of LoTRO it looks like it is further along then WoW was at the same point. Now what Turbine needs is the same free publicity that WoW used with releases like 1/2 mill subs, 1 mill subs, 2 mill subs fastest selling new MMORPG and so on. Most game buyers are kind of like sheep and when they read those headlines over and over it affects their purchasing decisions. They will need this kind of marketing to keep sales of the game sustained post launch as there is not the built in fanbase of gameplayers like World of Warcraft had.
Yep, sounds nice, i pre-order right away when same offer comes available in Europe
I hope you're just being sarcastic... This looks like the same rip off then Dark & Light, only this time, with a bigger time to back it up.
And I hope you're being sarcastic. This is not Turbine's first foray into MMOs. Maybe you don't like some of their other games, but this isn't a massive scheme to rip people off. I also believe people learn from past mistakes. Jeez, there are a lot of jaded people around here. It's a game. If it's fun for you then play it. If it's not then don't.
They aren't making their money by selling the box. Subscriptions are where the money's at. If the game isn't fun then people won't buy the subscriptions. The fact that the give those who pre-order a chance to play in the open beta (which also means a chance to back out) and a monthly fee of $9.99 tells me that they have faith in their product.
Of course im serious, they announced it in Europe too though in here you have to take 6month sub in it, dunno why they dont trust us Europeans to stay subscribed longer than 1 month...
A trolls a Troll, you cant do anything about it, she is just finally at a point where she had hundreds of ppl bash 'her' game, Vanguard, and is trying to reflect some of it to a game shes has not played.
I have been in Beta for both LOTRO and Vanguard, i have no worries about NDA for LOTRO, not going to say why, i just dont.
So that being said, Vanguard was so unfinished i's laughable, unless you are one of those that pre-ordered like our little troll friend here, and is stuck. Yes they went through a huge amount of changes in the last while. but is that encouraging?
A beta that sucked big time, and had to push out way too many updates/fixes/content in a short period of time, cant be properly tested them selves.
Or
A beta that consistently has been given a tremendous amount of time to do it right this time. they have put out a beta smoother then any other i have been apart of.
I don't anticipate them having to push out fixes like trolls game, its too well done.
Now all that being said, the founders program is another nice change, another notch for Turbine, making good on the strikes they had in the past.
Closing there official forums, now SOE come on now, that little faith in your product? Troll? where are you on that one.
Now about the $199 or $9.99 deal/steal, have you ever thought that Turbine has such faith in this product that they can do this type of promo with out having to worry about it. Sure there will me those that bail in open, there will be those that bail in live, but bottom line, with the company's that have there hand in the game, Turbine doesn't have to worry about money for a long time.
In Europe it's only EUR149 for lifetime membership. Given Turbines track record of providing free updates (compare DDO now to launch: a lot of free content has been added) this sounds like a great deal to me.
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LOL I seriously laughed at your 6th grade insults...the fact that you put "monkey feces" and "jihad" in back to back sentences is somewhat amusing, and yet somehow out of place. Actually I haven't posted on any game on this site besides LOTRO and Vanguard because I have experience with them both and can do so intelligently.
Also, please note that I haven't directly insulted anyone in this thread unlike yourself. If I disagree with someone I am able to intelligenly articulate rational viewpoints and don't need to resort to personal attacks.
The $200/forever thing is kind of weird. I doubt any game would hold my interest for 20 consecutive months. The $10/month deal is pretty swanky though. If you were going to buy the game at release. Looks like you can't terminate your account with that deal either though.
With so many MMOs out there to choose from it's just a little incentive for those who might be on the fence. If someone thinks they might want to try it, then this just gives them a little push.
Those of us who have already decided to buy it were going to pre-order or buy it at release anyway. For us it's just a bonus.
I was in the vanguard beta and i got to level 7 on a wolf shadow knight guy ... i thought it was fun and interesting but about then i realized .. this is wow like moves in a eq2 graphics enviorment and eq difficulty. The only thing that VG brings to the table is the whole card thing which sadly was the only fun part of the beta to me. The rest was a been there, done that feel. Some of the quests were neat like the whole blob quest and "merging" with it in blood but beyond that nothing. I hate crafting so i couldn;t care less about that.
Now on to the LotRO stuff.. mmm yea i like the 200 lifetime thing because this game is going to be around .. look at SWG the name alone means people will play it forever no matter what happens. Same with LotR man .. i just want to run around and see the stuff the movies left out mostly. The Monster pvp thing is interesting and i can't wait to see what they do with that. So like i said $5 bucks to do the beta and try the game and if i like it .. i will play it .. if i don't i won't that simple. Bash LotRO all you want but some of us play just to do something different then .. grind 100 mobs and gain a level. Exploring the maps and having fun is what matters most and this is true for any mmo.
edit - proof to back up the whole vanguard doesn't bring anything new to the table thing i said ^^ and who cares if LotR doesn't as long as it is fun i couldn;t care less about how it played.
I'm sorry Tomfred but I have to strongly disagree with you, started an account just to do so,
Besides this game being absolutely horrid and reaking of poor design and gameplay...this game is great!
What a ridiculous trolling attempt. I realized it was ridiculous when TomFred mentioned "invest in quality product" and "Vanguard" in the same post. I was in that beta, and Vanguard is far from quality. Server crashes, bugged quests, bugged CharGen...right up until lights out on beta. Sad really, because I wanted Sigil to really nail this release.
The $199 Founder program is rather brilliant. The more people that they can get to commit to $199, the sooner they can pay back the principle on their development loans, and the less interest they have to pay said lenders. That in itself is smart business right there. This could easily save them several millions in interest dollars right there, meaning more investment in the future game development.
Perhaps if Sigil had thought of such a brilliant marketing move, they could have given themselves a few more months to polish their game.
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Currently Playing: LOTRO; DDO
Played: AC2, AO, Auto Assault, CoX, DAoC, DDO, Earth&Beyond, EQ1, EQ2, EVE, Fallen Earth, Jumpgate, Roma Victor, Second Life, SWG, V:SoH, WoW, World War II Online.
Games I'm watching: Infinity: The Quest for Earth, Force of Arms.
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I miss DAoC
Turbine still has a good game releasing.
You could play for a long time if you don't rush through all the content like most people do.
The game isn't for me however. It just doesn't "feel right". I can't put my finger on it.
OMGLOL
That is the most LOL post I have read all day
OMGLOL
That is the most LOL post I have read all day
Four things:
He says he "won't even attempt to respond to that ignorant comment" when he does... in a well sized post. Half of the post was saying he wouldn't respond
The text is red, meaning he LOVES attention Bahahahhaha
LOL Vanguard was bashed so much a week or so back because of the FPS, the floating in the air, the unfinished graphics, and junk
and LOTRO is not being bashed at all.
LOTRO is a well made game with a very awesome beta program. From people who have been in it say that the Alpha was running better than most MMO's Beta.
He started the "debate." He LOL'd at Lotro and then advertised for Vanguard. He says "Stop making this into a LOTRO vs Vanguard debate."
And I can honestly say that is my feeling as a Beta participant.
And I can honestly say that is my feeling as a Beta participant.
Cool. Thanks
What deserves to be done, deserves to be "well" done...
And I hope you're being sarcastic. This is not Turbine's first foray into MMOs. Maybe you don't like some of their other games, but this isn't a massive scheme to rip people off. I also believe people learn from past mistakes. Jeez, there are a lot of jaded people around here. It's a game. If it's fun for you then play it. If it's not then don't.
They aren't making their money by selling the box. Subscriptions are where the money's at. If the game isn't fun then people won't buy the subscriptions. The fact that the give those who pre-order a chance to play in the open beta (which also means a chance to back out) and a monthly fee of $9.99 tells me that they have faith in their product.
OMGLOL
That is the most LOL post I have read all day
OMGLOL
That is the most LOL post I have read all day
Four things:
He says he "won't even attempt to respond to that ignorant comment" when he does... in a well sized post. Half of the post was saying he wouldn't respond
The text is red, meaning he LOVES attention Bahahahhaha
LOL Vanguard was bashed so much a week or so back because of the FPS, the floating in the air, the unfinished graphics, and junk
and LOTRO is not being bashed at all.
LOTRO is a well made game with a very awesome beta program. From people who have been in it say that the Alpha was running better than most MMO's Beta.
He started the "debate." He LOL'd at Lotro and then advertised for Vanguard. He says "Stop making this into a LOTRO vs Vanguard debate."
I can't say anything about the gameplay, but graphics wise, the game is horrible, but then it feels like Turbine has always been using the same artist for years.
I just dont see how the poster can bash a game when its not even going to be an official game till April 27. Thats alot of time for changes.. I mean even his lovechild aka Vanguard has gone thru huge changes in just one month. If this was going live this week then his point of view would have some merit. But considering theres almost 75 plus days till its live, just plain stupid to say you can give any type of review now.
Just read the Vanguard forums from 3 months ago. What was said then compared to now is night and day. So lets see what happens in the next few months.
As for the preorder incentives, they are pretty nice. As for the 199 versus 9.99, thats a tough choice. If pay the 200 at least never have to worry about keeping the account active all the time.. kinda of becomes an expensive Guild Wars. Least you have plenty of time to test the game and decide before they charge your card. I hope this game does well. )
Nothing should be compared to Dark and Light other than a huge, steaming pile of #%@^!!
Anyways, it is not uncommon for some games to allow characters to carry over from Open Beta; it's an incentive to keep people playing and not have to start all over again (depending on the level they obtained). Lineage 2, when it came out, offered the carry over from OB to retail and worked fairly well -- I still have my character from then and still play today. Also, it takes absolutely nothing away from those that never had the opportunity. It frees up starter areas.
The founders offer is nice. If a person really likes the game and is interested, they'll keep playing. Heck, I still go to games I started when they first came out (ie, EvE, Planetside, EQII, tried SWG *shudders* never really liked it to begin with, and WoW), so the lifetime membership is pretty cool.
Well my take on this is Turbine marketing is finally waking up. The DDO launch they kind of just thought they could live off the D&D brand name. There wasn't nearly enough marketing for the game for it to reach casual gamers. They need to get momentum and subscribers right out of the gate. This is rewarding the players that were going to buy this game anyways and will help people on the fence get the pre-order which is going to really prop up the launch sales, Remember you don't have to buy the year in advance on the preorder. By having very high initial sales Turbine will be able to get alot of retail shelf space where they currently really don't have a presence.
I was in the WoW beta and that came was a pretty polished game. From what I have seen of LoTRO it looks like it is further along then WoW was at the same point. Now what Turbine needs is the same free publicity that WoW used with releases like 1/2 mill subs, 1 mill subs, 2 mill subs fastest selling new MMORPG and so on. Most game buyers are kind of like sheep and when they read those headlines over and over it affects their purchasing decisions. They will need this kind of marketing to keep sales of the game sustained post launch as there is not the built in fanbase of gameplayers like World of Warcraft had.
And I hope you're being sarcastic. This is not Turbine's first foray into MMOs. Maybe you don't like some of their other games, but this isn't a massive scheme to rip people off. I also believe people learn from past mistakes. Jeez, there are a lot of jaded people around here. It's a game. If it's fun for you then play it. If it's not then don't.
They aren't making their money by selling the box. Subscriptions are where the money's at. If the game isn't fun then people won't buy the subscriptions. The fact that the give those who pre-order a chance to play in the open beta (which also means a chance to back out) and a monthly fee of $9.99 tells me that they have faith in their product.
Of course im serious, they announced it in Europe too though in here you have to take 6month sub in it, dunno why they dont trust us Europeans to stay subscribed longer than 1 month...
And we are going to get free stickers, beat that
http://www.lotro-europe.com/news.php?id=2583&articletype=News
I have been in Beta for both LOTRO and Vanguard, i have no worries about NDA for LOTRO, not going to say why, i just dont.
So that being said, Vanguard was so unfinished i's laughable, unless you are one of those that pre-ordered like our little troll friend here, and is stuck. Yes they went through a huge amount of changes in the last while. but is that encouraging?
A beta that sucked big time, and had to push out way too many updates/fixes/content in a short period of time, cant be properly tested them selves.
Or
A beta that consistently has been given a tremendous amount of time to do it right this time. they have put out a beta smoother then any other i have been apart of.
I don't anticipate them having to push out fixes like trolls game, its too well done.
Now all that being said, the founders program is another nice change, another notch for Turbine, making good on the strikes they had in the past.
Closing there official forums, now SOE come on now, that little faith in your product? Troll? where are you on that one.
Now about the $199 or $9.99 deal/steal, have you ever thought that Turbine has such faith in this product that they can do this type of promo with out having to worry about it. Sure there will me those that bail in open, there will be those that bail in live, but bottom line, with the company's that have there hand in the game, Turbine doesn't have to worry about money for a long time.
Hey troll, bad flow day