Although this move by Turbine doesn't appeal to me at the least.
Turbine still has a good game releasing.
You could play for a long time if you don't rush through all the content like most people do.
The game isn't for me however. It just doesn't "feel right". I can't put my finger on it.
Originally posted by tomfred81
Wow, I won't even attempt to respond to that ignorant comment. You obviously don't have a clue....do a little research before you post please. I'm not even gonna waste the time explaining everything to you....the information is out there if you feel like being informed.
Also, patches will not help LOTRO...the graphics and quests are mainly polished-its the gameplay as a whole that needs fixing, not minor bugs or animations or quest lines like Vanguard.
Stop making this into a LOTRO vs Vanguard debate.
He started the "debate." He LOL'd at Lotro and then advertised for Vanguard. He says "Stop making this into a LOTRO vs Vanguard debate."
If you read this thread closely, you will notice I didnt start the LOTRO vs Vanguard debate on this thread, and I didn't even talk about Vanguard until someone else brought it up...check your facts before you post. Reading comprehension please.
As someone said earlier, if you had any interest in the game already, the pre-order and $10 a month offer is a fine deal. In my opinion it gives plenty of incentive for players to pre-order, so I don't have an issue with the package.
Originally posted by Odysses I was in the WoW beta and that came was a pretty polished game. From what I have seen of LoTRO it looks like it is further along then WoW was at the same point.
The thing is, LOTRO should be very polished. The world in LOTRO at launch (NW portion of Middle Earth, or Eriador) is about 1/4 the size of the world in WoW (pre-expansion). 1/4 the size!!! You really think you are going to play for $200 worth in that tiny sandbox? Of course all the minor details, graphical animations, and questlines will look amazing in beta specifically because the world is so tiny and they don't have anything major to work on so they are working on fixing all the cosmetic stuff now. If they dont have anything to do, I'll give them something to work on-how bout not having to wait for a loading screen and instance every time you walk inside a building lol.
For the guy that says Vanguard open beta sucked because they had server crashes and some bugged quests, apparently you don't understand the purpose for beta. Also, Vanguard's world is the biggest ever in a video game, its like 10-15 times the initial size of WoW (pre-expansion). Lets just say 20 gigs, not a measly 3-4 gigs like LOTRO will be. Obviously bugged quests and graphical animations got pushed to the end of the beta to be fixed because their world is so freaking huge and seemless they have to worry about bigger issues first. You have to get the world working before working on minor fixes. Apparently, the minor cosmetic issues in the open beta made the game bad for you. If thats the case, I would recommend you never play another beta. Its never going to be as crisp as the game at launch. I'm not ripping LOTRO for minor issues, im ripping it cause it sux overall.
Vanguard is setting up to win in the long run. LOTRO will come and go. The majority of people will be bored of LOTRO within 6 months and move on to the next game. The only people that will play this game long term are the people who are so in love with the story and lore that they are blinded to what constitutes a good game.
Besides, about the fucking of economy.. If i start any mmorpg that has been released for a few months, ill be at the same disadvantage (if any) as people will be high lvl and the economy set..
I have never tested such a polished beta before and i've tested quite a few.
Not sure if i'm going to use the lifetimeoffer for 99£ but i think i will.
Then i always have a game to return to when i eventually leave for new games and grow tired of those.
My standard average lifetime in a mmorpg is about 6 months (played 18 mmorpgs since 1997),then it becomes booring as hell and i look elsewhere for a new drug.
When i grew tired of a new game i go back to old games but a lot of the time i have several gamesubscriptions open at the same time.
I have returned to UO,EQ,DAOC,AO several times after a new game looses it's fun and awe.
I can't understand people who can stand playing the same game year in and year out.
I need new blood once in a while.
But with the lifetime offer i can always return to LOTRO when i want.
ATM i think i will be playing LOTRO until Warhammer releases because i seemed to have lost interest in the progress in age of conan.
I have never tested such a polished beta before and i've tested quite a few.
Not sure if i'm going to use the lifetimeoffer for 99£ but i think i will.
Then i always have a game to return to when i eventually leave for new games and grow tired of those.
My standard average lifetime in a mmorpg is about 6 months (played 18 mmorpgs since 1997),then it becomes booring as hell and i look elsewhere for a new drug.
When i grew tired of a new game i go back to old games but a lot of the time i have several gamesubscriptions open at the same time.
I have returned to UO,EQ,DAOC,AO several times after a new game looses it's fun and awe.
I can't understand people who can stand playing the same game year in and year out.
I need new blood once in a while.
But with the lifetime offer i can always return to LOTRO when i want.
ATM i think i will be playing LOTRO until Warhammer releases because i seemed to have lost interest in the progress in age of conan.
This response just about proves my entire post above point by point
I have never tested such a polished beta before and i've tested quite a few.
Not sure if i'm going to use the lifetimeoffer for 99£ but i think i will.
Then i always have a game to return to when i eventually leave for new games and grow tired of those.
My standard average lifetime in a mmorpg is about 6 months (played 18 mmorpgs since 1997),then it becomes booring as hell and i look elsewhere for a new drug.
When i grew tired of a new game i go back to old games but a lot of the time i have several gamesubscriptions open at the same time.
I have returned to UO,EQ,DAOC,AO several times after a new game looses it's fun and awe.
I can't understand people who can stand playing the same game year in and year out.
I need new blood once in a while.
But with the lifetime offer i can always return to LOTRO when i want.
ATM i think i will be playing LOTRO until Warhammer releases because i seemed to have lost interest in the progress in age of conan.
This response just about proves my entire post above point by point
Not really because even if bought Vanguard and like it i would most likely leave the game after 6 months anyway.
So vanguard is just a big come and go as you say LOTRO will be.
vanguard is only 17 gigs, which means nothing to size of world, and eq1 sure felt alot bigger at launch
as fo lotro the world is prety big, with 3 months of artwork and stuff to go its 7 plus gigs
3.5 or something compressed
and all the space in the world means nothing if youre crashing, falling throught the wold, waitting for others to come by and /rope you out.
alot of what vanguard is in size is the char creator, which is the best i seen any game but that and the loot rolling system, dont make up for its bugs, and obviously that game gonna change, its sooo unfinnished.
where as lotro online is mostly done just needs polish
'The world in LOTRO at launch (NW portion of Middle Earth, or Eriador) is about 1/4 the size of the world in WoW (pre-expansion). 1/4 the size!!!'
'Also, Vanguard's world is the biggest ever in a video game, its like 10-15 times the initial size of WoW (pre-expansion).'
Where did you get these figures? Having run around in wow vanguard and now lotr I have to say it certainly doesn't feel that way. I'd say wow has the largest world of the three but the other two are certainly large enough.
Vanguard looked mostly like computer generated landscape (very much like SWG) which I didn't like at all. In contrast LOTR has the best looking scenery I've seen so far in an mmo (almost as good as Oblivion).
Besides lotr has a lot more fun things to do per square foot than wow. I find myself playing for days in the same area and I still can't do all quests.
The lifetime membership would have been tempting if they hadn't already shut a MMORPG down in the past due to there ineptitude (AC2)
A lot of us will not trust Turbine for that reason.
Ah, well AC2 lasted longer than 20 months now didn't it? What some of you math geniouses seem to be missing is that you get a lifetime membership for the price of 20 months worth of play. If the game goes belly up after 3 years, heck after 21 months, you've still got your money's worth. That is if you enjoy the game to begin with of course.
_____________________________ Currently Playing: LOTRO; DDO Played: AC2, AO, Auto Assault, CoX, DAoC, DDO, Earth&Beyond, EQ1, EQ2, EVE, Fallen Earth, Jumpgate, Roma Victor, Second Life, SWG, V:SoH, WoW, World War II Online.
Games I'm watching: Infinity: The Quest for Earth, Force of Arms.
Seems as if this game is scaring the hell out of SOE and Sigil isn't it. LOL
Jackdog, I think you are exactly right. If he really hates the game that much then why isn't he spending his time over in the Vanguard forums? He continues to bash this game having seen very little of it, if any at all. I agree, he's scared.
There is no reason to be scared. If Vanguard turns out to be an excellent game then people will come. WoW didn't have 8 million subscribers on day one (although it's debatable whether or not they have that now).
The lifetime membership would have been tempting if they hadn't already shut a MMORPG down in the past due to there ineptitude (AC2)
A lot of us will not trust Turbine for that reason.
Ah, well AC2 lasted longer than 20 months now didn't it? What some of you math geniouses seem to be missing is that you get a lifetime membership for the price of 20 months worth of play. If the game goes belly up after 3 years, heck after 21 months, you've still got your money's worth. That is if you enjoy the game to begin with of course. The MMORPG market is much more competitive now. A lot of games will be coming out based upon item shops with no subscription. Parting with $199 before a game has even been released fully is only for the brave. The fact that they couldn't make AC2 profitable back when it didn't even have that much competition doesn't fill me with confidence.
Vanguard fans are some of the worst I have ever seen, they feel like bashing every other game on the market that could possibly lower Vanguard sales.
Vanguard doesn't do anything new, the graphics aren't that good (even at the highest settings), it is very buggy, SOE is the publisher, the dev team is run by a guy who thinks forced grouping and raids are a good thing, it is just EQ 2 with a WoW interface and what, one new thing?
Also, if you just downloaded the stress test client, it said low res in the name, maybe, just maybe, that means it doesn't have the high res textures?
The lifetime membership would have been tempting if they hadn't already shut a MMORPG down in the past due to there ineptitude (AC2)
A lot of us will not trust Turbine for that reason.
Ah, well AC2 lasted longer than 20 months now didn't it? What some of you math geniouses seem to be missing is that you get a lifetime membership for the price of 20 months worth of play. If the game goes belly up after 3 years, heck after 21 months, you've still got your money's worth. That is if you enjoy the game to begin with of course. The MMORPG market is much more competitive now. A lot of games will be coming out based upon item shops with no subscription. Parting with $199 before a game has even been released fully is only for the brave. The fact that they couldn't make AC2 profitable back when it didn't even have that much competition doesn't fill me with confidence. Hmm...well, look at it like this. If the game is good your $200 will be going to something good. If the game fails, then Turbine will be pulling a AC2.
The MMORPG market is much more competitive now. A lot of games will be coming out based upon item shops with no subscription. Parting with $199 before a game has even been released fully is only for the brave. The fact that they couldn't make AC2 profitable back when it didn't even have that much competition doesn't fill me with confidence.
I'd like to point out that you don't have to part with the $200 right away. You have until 30 days after launch to decide.
The MMORPG market is much more competitive now. A lot of games will be coming out based upon item shops with no subscription. Parting with $199 before a game has even been released fully is only for the brave. The fact that they couldn't make AC2 profitable back when it didn't even have that much competition doesn't fill me with confidence.
I'd like to point out that you don't have to part with the $200 right away. You have until 30 days after launch to decide.
That of course could make a difference in deciding but game launches are notorious for teething problems throughout the first month which means at the end of the 30 days you may not be any wiser.
Obviously if the game launches smoothly and is very enjoyable then the lifetime subscription could be very tempting but it would have to something truly special for me to part with a lump sum like that!!
That of course could make a difference in deciding but game launches are notorious for teething problems throughout the first month which means at the end of the 30 days you may not be any wiser.
Obviously if the game launches smoothly and is very enjoyable then the lifetime subscription could be very tempting but it would have to something truly special for me to part with a lump sum like that!!
I agree. I'm currently playing the stress test beta. I will almost certainly preorder, but I haven't decided whether I'll be a $10/monther or $200/lifer.
I personally think the offer is an excellent idea though. The lifers could really form a great core user base for the game. I'd be interested to find out how many people go one way or the other. Of course, that information won't likely be released until well after the decision-making period is over.
One thing I haven't yet seen explicitly stated is if a $10/month subscription can be upgraded to a lifetime plan at any point. That would be a nice option.
first of all comparing this game to AC2 or even DDO is like comparing the Edsel or the Pinto to the Mustang. All were Ford products but that's about as far as the comparison goes.
second point is no one has to pay up front sight unseen. Open beta ( play before pay) for pre orders starts March 30, public play before pay starts April 06. If you have any reservations at all about buying wait till April 06, You can preorder right up to launch day so you have about three weeks to play before pay in order to make up your mind.
third point is you do not choose a payment plan until you enter your game key and create your account after the launch, Turbine is not asking you to spend 200 dollars sight unseen. As far as I can tell though at launch you need to make the lifetime decision at that time, but if you have been playing since March 30 you should have a pretty good idea by then.
Honestly, back in the day before the SWG combat upgrade and the NGE, when I was happily playing Galaxies, the only upcoming game that interested me at all was Lord of the Rings Online (though I still like the old name Middle Earth Online better). I have been following the games development all this time and still can't think of another game mythos that is as appealing as Middle Earth.
Just as Galaxies had incredible potential for great storylines and epic events (never realized of course because...well we know why, sort of), the world of Middle Earth is one that can fire the imagination. It can be the setting for fierce battles large and small. This is a world setting you can easily immerse yourself in. The world of Middle Earth is a huge one and potential for expansions that are very different and intriguing is just amazing.
As I'm reading and anticipating this game, I am as always impressed by the way Turbine interacts with their potential playerbase. They have just the right touch with fans of all types. They seem very responsive to player suggestions and concerns, while staying true to their own vision. Having experienced the wreck and disaster of public relations that was Galaxies, this is a huge thing for me. Do you respect your customers, do you respect the game itself? With Galaxies, the answer to both of these was, and in my opinion still is a resounding no. With Turbine, the answer is yes.
You have an opportunity to spend a long and lovely time in Middle Earth for a very reasonable over time cost. I think this offer reflects not some desperate ploy to make money late in development but it is a respectful offer from a development company to their soon to be happily playing fans. Be treated nicely for a change. Sign up for one of the plans, put on your Hobbit feet, and prepare to head out towards Weathertop.
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He started the "debate." He LOL'd at Lotro and then advertised for Vanguard. He says "Stop making this into a LOTRO vs Vanguard debate."
If you read this thread closely, you will notice I didnt start the LOTRO vs Vanguard debate on this thread, and I didn't even talk about Vanguard until someone else brought it up...check your facts before you post. Reading comprehension please.
For the guy that says Vanguard open beta sucked because they had server crashes and some bugged quests, apparently you don't understand the purpose for beta. Also, Vanguard's world is the biggest ever in a video game, its like 10-15 times the initial size of WoW (pre-expansion). Lets just say 20 gigs, not a measly 3-4 gigs like LOTRO will be. Obviously bugged quests and graphical animations got pushed to the end of the beta to be fixed because their world is so freaking huge and seemless they have to worry about bigger issues first. You have to get the world working before working on minor fixes. Apparently, the minor cosmetic issues in the open beta made the game bad for you. If thats the case, I would recommend you never play another beta. Its never going to be as crisp as the game at launch. I'm not ripping LOTRO for minor issues, im ripping it cause it sux overall.
Vanguard is setting up to win in the long run. LOTRO will come and go. The majority of people will be bored of LOTRO within 6 months and move on to the next game. The only people that will play this game long term are the people who are so in love with the story and lore that they are blinded to what constitutes a good game.
Besides, about the fucking of economy.. If i start any mmorpg that has been released for a few months, ill be at the same disadvantage (if any) as people will be high lvl and the economy set..
I have never tested such a polished beta before and i've tested quite a few.
Not sure if i'm going to use the lifetimeoffer for 99£ but i think i will.
Then i always have a game to return to when i eventually leave for new games and grow tired of those.
My standard average lifetime in a mmorpg is about 6 months (played 18 mmorpgs since 1997),then it becomes booring as hell and i look elsewhere for a new drug.
When i grew tired of a new game i go back to old games but a lot of the time i have several gamesubscriptions open at the same time.
I have returned to UO,EQ,DAOC,AO several times after a new game looses it's fun and awe.
I can't understand people who can stand playing the same game year in and year out.
I need new blood once in a while.
But with the lifetime offer i can always return to LOTRO when i want.
ATM i think i will be playing LOTRO until Warhammer releases because i seemed to have lost interest in the progress in age of conan.
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So vanguard is just a big come and go as you say LOTRO will be.
All games are come and go for me.
Evolution baby.
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vanguard is only 17 gigs, which means nothing to size of world, and eq1 sure felt alot bigger at launch
as fo lotro the world is prety big, with 3 months of artwork and stuff to go its 7 plus gigs
3.5 or something compressed
and all the space in the world means nothing if youre crashing, falling throught the wold, waitting for others to come by and /rope you out.
alot of what vanguard is in size is the char creator, which is the best i seen any game but that and the loot rolling system, dont make up for its bugs, and obviously that game gonna change, its sooo unfinnished.
where as lotro online is mostly done just needs polish
'Also, Vanguard's world is the biggest ever in a video game, its like 10-15 times the initial size of WoW (pre-expansion).'
Where did you get these figures? Having run around in wow vanguard and now lotr I have to say it certainly doesn't feel that way. I'd say wow has the largest world of the three but the other two are certainly large enough.
Vanguard looked mostly like computer generated landscape (very much like SWG) which I didn't like at all. In contrast LOTR has the best looking scenery I've seen so far in an mmo (almost as good as Oblivion).
Besides lotr has a lot more fun things to do per square foot than wow. I find myself playing for days in the same area and I still can't do all quests.
I miss DAoC
A lot of us will not trust Turbine for that reason.
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Played: AC2, AO, Auto Assault, CoX, DAoC, DDO, Earth&Beyond, EQ1, EQ2, EVE, Fallen Earth, Jumpgate, Roma Victor, Second Life, SWG, V:SoH, WoW, World War II Online.
Games I'm watching: Infinity: The Quest for Earth, Force of Arms.
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There is no reason to be scared. If Vanguard turns out to be an excellent game then people will come. WoW didn't have 8 million subscribers on day one (although it's debatable whether or not they have that now).
Vanguard doesn't do anything new, the graphics aren't that good (even at the highest settings), it is very buggy, SOE is the publisher, the dev team is run by a guy who thinks forced grouping and raids are a good thing, it is just EQ 2 with a WoW interface and what, one new thing?
Also, if you just downloaded the stress test client, it said low res in the name, maybe, just maybe, that means it doesn't have the high res textures?
That of course could make a difference in deciding but game launches are notorious for teething problems throughout the first month which means at the end of the 30 days you may not be any wiser.
Obviously if the game launches smoothly and is very enjoyable then the lifetime subscription could be very tempting but it would have to something truly special for me to part with a lump sum like that!!
I agree. I'm currently playing the stress test beta. I will almost certainly preorder, but I haven't decided whether I'll be a $10/monther or $200/lifer.
I personally think the offer is an excellent idea though. The lifers could really form a great core user base for the game. I'd be interested to find out how many people go one way or the other. Of course, that information won't likely be released until well after the decision-making period is over.
One thing I haven't yet seen explicitly stated is if a $10/month subscription can be upgraded to a lifetime plan at any point. That would be a nice option.
Mehhem is that a picture of you and are you a guy or girl cause i can't tell.
If your a girl your pretty hot.
Mehhem is that a picture of you and are you a guy or girl cause i can't tell.
If your a girl your pretty hot.
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a few points
first of all comparing this game to AC2 or even DDO is like comparing the Edsel or the Pinto to the Mustang. All were Ford products but that's about as far as the comparison goes.
second point is no one has to pay up front sight unseen. Open beta ( play before pay) for pre orders starts March 30, public play before pay starts April 06. If you have any reservations at all about buying wait till April 06, You can preorder right up to launch day so you have about three weeks to play before pay in order to make up your mind.
third point is you do not choose a payment plan until you enter your game key and create your account after the launch, Turbine is not asking you to spend 200 dollars sight unseen. As far as I can tell though at launch you need to make the lifetime decision at that time, but if you have been playing since March 30 you should have a pretty good idea by then.
here is a link to the official FAQ
http://lotro.turbine.com/index.php?page_id=103
I miss DAoC
Honestly, back in the day before the SWG combat upgrade and the NGE, when I was happily playing Galaxies, the only upcoming game that interested me at all was Lord of the Rings Online (though I still like the old name Middle Earth Online better). I have been following the games development all this time and still can't think of another game mythos that is as appealing as Middle Earth.
Just as Galaxies had incredible potential for great storylines and epic events (never realized of course because...well we know why, sort of), the world of Middle Earth is one that can fire the imagination. It can be the setting for fierce battles large and small. This is a world setting you can easily immerse yourself in. The world of Middle Earth is a huge one and potential for expansions that are very different and intriguing is just amazing.
As I'm reading and anticipating this game, I am as always impressed by the way Turbine interacts with their potential playerbase. They have just the right touch with fans of all types. They seem very responsive to player suggestions and concerns, while staying true to their own vision. Having experienced the wreck and disaster of public relations that was Galaxies, this is a huge thing for me. Do you respect your customers, do you respect the game itself? With Galaxies, the answer to both of these was, and in my opinion still is a resounding no. With Turbine, the answer is yes.
You have an opportunity to spend a long and lovely time in Middle Earth for a very reasonable over time cost. I think this offer reflects not some desperate ploy to make money late in development but it is a respectful offer from a development company to their soon to be happily playing fans. Be treated nicely for a change. Sign up for one of the plans, put on your Hobbit feet, and prepare to head out towards Weathertop.