All this Negativity !!!!!

Harvy · January 2007

I just want to say one thing : To all those people that are so negative towards this game, towards turbine and who are already predicting what the game will be like and how it will fail.

when you enter open beta , you WILL BE EXTREMELY SHOCKED at how well this game is made. no one could have done the job better, not bioware, blizzard or anyone else, infact turbine did it so unique that i think someone else would not have done it half as good.

and just btw, it is not out of desparation that they offer lifetime membership, it is called good Public relations, it is fact that most people play a mmorpg, then after a year or 2 take some time off, switch to other games and after a break retunr again most of the time around expansion time. not many stick around a full 2 or 3 years. this way they have your cash up front, weither you take a break or not, they still get paid.

$9.99 x 20 months ( almost 2 years ) = $199

majority will go for the special, so they will have the first 19 months payment of all those players upfront, it is only a limited offer. that is called EXTREMELY good marketing. unlike greedy blizzard.

Lastera · January 2007

Originally posted by Harvy

I just want to say one thing : To all those people that are so negative towards this game, towards turbine and who are already predicting what the game will be like and how it will fail. when you enter open beta , you WILL BE EXTREMELY SHOCKED at how well this game is made. no one could have done the job better, not bioware, blizzard or anyone else, infact turbine did it so unique that i think someone else would not have done it half as good. and just btw, it is not out of desparation that they offer lifetime membership, it is called good Public relations, it is fact that most people play a mmorpg, then after a year or 2 take some time off, switch to other games and after a break retunr again most of the time around expansion time. not many stick around a full 2 or 3 years. this way they have your cash up front, weither you take a break or not, they still get paid. $9.99 x 20 months ( almost 2 years ) = $199 majority will go for the special, so they will have the first 19 months payment of all those players upfront, it is only a limited offer. that is called EXTREMELY good marketing. unlike greedy blizzard.

First off, this is one bias opinion. At least when you say Blizard, Bioware and, etc. wouldn't have done a better job. Anyone who has played NWN, Star Wars Old Republic and Jade Empire know Bioware does a great job making compelling stories with OPTIONS that ACTUALLY INFLUENCE GAMEPLAY. If you choose to do something evil or good, the people will react to you based on the choice you make. Lord of the Rings was about the influence our choice have on the rest of the world. Not to mention, LotR was never met to be a MMORPG.

Blizzard would have made the game more fun and exciting allowing for players to be evil or good, but the art and story wouldn't have been to nice. (The story in WoW is easily forgettable) Arena.net would have turned LotR into their personal motion picture, but with lack of choices. EQ would have just made a failed WoW clone out of LotR. But my point is that any of these gaming companies could have done better, but since no other gaming company will be getting this title, we will never know.

The one thing I expect out of LotR game is the ability to make choice and have those choices influence the world, the gameplay should only revolve around a small group of players (5 to 20 people) and the story should be very involving. I'm betting that Turbine didn't even include any of these and what we have will be a generic game, but we won't know until BETA.

Harvy · January 2007

i disagree with almost everything you just said there, but i do agree with just one thing. You are right, you won't know until beta, but mark my words. i did warn you.

( also, who says you can't play both good and evil ? , the game offers the choice to play either. )

Harvy · January 2007

i did not get an invite into stress test, i don't live in usa. i never said i did. my point was not that this was gonna be the best game ever. but simply that for every 10 posts, 9 of them are "turbine screwed up ddo and will screw this one up too, don't waste your money etc "

I remember when the athlon chips were launched, people were doing the same thing, basing AMD's experience on past ranges and saying not to waste your money on them etc, can you take a wild guess what 90% of those idiots are using today ??

i won't argue with someone who has no exprience in this game and is basing his comments on past tense. I stand by what i said, you WILL be shocked.

Lastera · January 2007

Originally posted by Harvy

i did not get an invite into stress test, i don't live in usa. i never said i did. my point was not that this was gonna be the best game ever. but simply that for every 10 posts, 9 of them are "turbine screwed up ddo and will screw this one up too, don't waste your money etc "

I remember when the athlon chips were launched, people were doing the same thing, basing AMD's experience on past ranges and saying not to waste your money on them etc, can you take a wild guess what 90% of those idiots are using today ??
i won't argue with someone who has no exprience in this game and is basing his comments on past tense. I stand by what i said, you WILL be shocked.

Basically, what you're saying is you criticize Turbine because any hits or missing they have made with games were random, thus we can't determined how well they'll do with this game, which is frankly untrue since Turbine has long history of making bad decisions when making games. They don't learn from their mistakes, they just fanboys of their company entertained by giving them content that adds nothing to the gameplay of their games that we haven't already seen in other games.

ExNihilo · January 2007

All you gotta do is place a pre-order now. You will get a beta key afterwards. I placed my pre-order yesterday and got my beta key today. I had the client download this morning and I'm about to leave work to check it out. If I end up not liking the game or what not, I will just cancel my pre-order. Simple as that.

No need to speculate if the game will be good or not. Go find out for yourself, Turbine could not have made it easier for people to get a taste of the game now.

Later all, I got a new game to beta test!

dougmysticey · January 2007

Well, I am not a Turbine Fanboy and my brother is a WOW fantatic. LOTRO is still under NDA so I cannot say much but.....

I WILL be playing this game after release. So will my brother. I am also going to be playing Vanguard but for different reasons.

I agree that people who are bad mouthing this game will be shocked at the stability, quality and content of the game. That does not mean it will be the game for them as it is (obviously) heavily story driven.

I have played just about every MMO out there and started with M59 years and years ago. I have also played other Blizzard games as well as most of the Bioware games (other then WOW that is) so I am not speaking out of turn. My opinion is this will be an excellent game for those who like LOTR and the majority of MMO players.

Jackdog · January 2007

Public beta 06 April, be afraid Sony be very afraid. I canceled my station pass I had for two and a half years last October. Anyone want to speculate as to why?

Sevenwind · January 2007

Wahoo guess I'm a fanboy, I like Turbine games, yes even AC2 towards the end was very fun. Proud Fanboy!

Sevenwind · January 2007

Umm the beta has been going on for a few months closed. I have a friend in it and he's been in it since September.

Cerion · January 2007

Originally posted by Lastera

Originally posted by xersent

Im in Beta test and all i can really say is.. its a great game there will be alot of shocked people

Please, stop lying. The beta isn't out yet, they are doing a stress test tonight tomorrow. The beta won't be here for a few months, thus, making opinion a complete lie. This goes for every other fanboys who feel need to lie just to justify the game. This is probably the lames and dumbest atttempt I've seen fanboys have made to make the game look good.

Uhm, the beta testing has been going strong since August/September, and before that a very solid Alpha phase that was better than many games in live right now.

dalyer · January 2007

Originally posted by Lastera

Originally posted by xersent

Im in Beta test and all i can really say is.. its a great game there will be alot of shocked people

Please, stop lying. The beta isn't out yet, they are doing a stress test tonight tomorrow. The beta won't be here for a few months, thus, making opinion a complete lie. This goes for every other fanboys who feel need to lie just to justify the game. This is probably the lames and dumbest atttempt I've seen fanboys have made to make the game look good.

Please get your facts straight before calling people liars. Closed beta has been running for a least a couple months now.

To me this just shows that you have already formed an opinion of this game without knowing a thing about it.

Khalathwyr · January 2007

Originally posted by xersent

Originally posted by Lastera

Originally posted by xersent

Im in Beta test and all i can really say is.. its a great game there will be alot of shocked people

Please, stop lying. The beta isn't out yet, they are doing a stress test tonight tomorrow. The beta won't be here for a few months, thus, making opinion a complete lie. This goes for every other fanboys who feel need to lie just to justify the game. This is probably the lames and dumbest atttempt I've seen fanboys have made to make the game look good.

See you dont know the facts so dont open your mouth

Hey Xer, don't you just find it funny how some people who don't even know what features are like Player vs Monster Player in LOTRO are and make comments like the beta isn't even out yet just come in here and start bashing it and telling people they need to shut up because they haven't seen the game yet?. Especially when the majority of folks they are arguing with are in the beta testing the game right now. Even when those people have been told many times to go to the official website and forums where they can read what the features are and that the game is months into beta testing. Just shows how really lost they are and if they only had a clue as to how stupid they are sounding. But no, they just continue to troll around this site and spew ignorance instead of going out and getting informed.

I know, we should help them!

http://lotro.turbine.com/ (Please note the huge icon to the left that prompts you to Join the beta today and that clicking on the blue "Community" button will take you to the page to access the official forums)

http://mmorpg.com/lotro_promo.cfm (This is a link to MMORPG.com's LOTRO Beta contest. Please note the date and names listed there as you may see more than a few here posting good, non-NDA violating comments about the game. Though we realize saying anything good about any game automatically makes you a "fanboi" of the game. It certainly couldn't mean you just like the game.

http://mmorpg.com/gamelist.cfm/thread/112753 ( Thanks to End_of_an_Era, here is their thread on these forums that links to a UK Gamespot preview/interview regarding Player vs Monster Player combat which certainly isn't Monster Rancher or Battlegrounds)

Lastera · January 2007

Originally posted by Khalathwyr

Originally posted by xersent

Originally posted by Lastera

Originally posted by xersent

Im in Beta test and all i can really say is.. its a great game there will be alot of shocked people

Please, stop lying. The beta isn't out yet, they are doing a stress test tonight tomorrow. The beta won't be here for a few months, thus, making opinion a complete lie. This goes for every other fanboys who feel need to lie just to justify the game. This is probably the lames and dumbest atttempt I've seen fanboys have made to make the game look good.

See you dont know the facts so dont open your mouth

http://mmorpg.com/gamelist.cfm/thread/112753 ( Thanks to End_of_an_Era, here is their thread on these forums that links to a UK Gamespot preview/interview regarding Player vs Monster Player combat which certainly isn't Monster Rancher or Battlegrounds)

The link doesn't work and I got info about PvMP from the official boards. Even they are saying PvMP is a Battlegrounds.

Khalathwyr · January 2007

Originally posted by Lastera

Originally posted by Khalathwyr

Originally posted by xersent

Originally posted by Lastera

Originally posted by xersent

Im in Beta test and all i can really say is.. its a great game there will be alot of shocked people

Please, stop lying. The beta isn't out yet, they are doing a stress test tonight tomorrow. The beta won't be here for a few months, thus, making opinion a complete lie. This goes for every other fanboys who feel need to lie just to justify the game. This is probably the lames and dumbest atttempt I've seen fanboys have made to make the game look good.

See you dont know the facts so dont open your mouth

http://mmorpg.com/gamelist.cfm/thread/112753 ( Thanks to End_of_an_Era, here is their thread on these forums that links to a UK Gamespot preview/interview regarding Player vs Monster Player combat which certainly isn't Monster Rancher or Battlegrounds)

The link doesn't work and I got info about PvMP from the official boards. Even they are saying PvMP is a Battlegrounds.

Sorry about the link. You can still find the thread on the first page of these forums. I'm sure the link in that post works as I used it not an hour ago. As for the Battlegrounds reference, I guess there is no right answer. Some people can feel it is like it and others don't. As it is impossible for everyone to feel the exact same way about a feature, both are either right or wrong. *shrug*

Lastera · January 2007

Originally posted by Khalathwyr

Originally posted by Lastera

Originally posted by Khalathwyr

Originally posted by xersent

Originally posted by Lastera

Originally posted by xersent

Im in Beta test and all i can really say is.. its a great game there will be alot of shocked people

Please, stop lying. The beta isn't out yet, they are doing a stress test tonight tomorrow. The beta won't be here for a few months, thus, making opinion a complete lie. This goes for every other fanboys who feel need to lie just to justify the game. This is probably the lames and dumbest atttempt I've seen fanboys have made to make the game look good.

See you dont know the facts so dont open your mouth

http://mmorpg.com/gamelist.cfm/thread/112753 ( Thanks to End_of_an_Era, here is their thread on these forums that links to a UK Gamespot preview/interview regarding Player vs Monster Player combat which certainly isn't Monster Rancher or Battlegrounds)

The link doesn't work and I got info about PvMP from the official boards. Even they are saying PvMP is a Battlegrounds.

Sorry about the link. You can still find the thread on the first page of these forums. I'm sure the link in that post works as I used it not an hour ago. As for the Battlegrounds reference, I guess there is no right answer. Some people can feel it is like it and others don't. As it is impossible for everyone to feel the exact same way about a feature, both are either right or wrong. *shrug* Are you talking about this link?

http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/92672

From this description, PvMP isn't PvP at all, but it sounds more like PvMP = Horde. Since Turbine didn't add evil factions, they are trying to be slick and adding Monster mission as attempt to add faction, but it's the same thing as playing the Horde from WoW except the gaming experience for opposing faction group is very limited. Wouldn't it make sense to allow players to play those races for free without having to buy them? By this description, PvMP isn't a new idea.

Harvy · January 2007

it is not pvmp, it is MPVP ( monster player vs player. ) basicly at lvl 10 you can go PVP on a HUGE freaking map, really HUGE, and you can choose to play as a monster ( of which you can choose 5 different ones ). you get pints you can spend and make him ubber. at lvl 45 - 50 you can enter the MPVP area with your normal character and also PVP. basicly good against bad, but with monsters and normal players. you get quests there, missions, you take over bases ( castles ) raid towns and villages etc. You can play both bad side or good side.

the nice thing about the MPVP is that they ussualy for huge raids, so you mostly pvp with 15 or 20 other players here is a link to a good discription of MPVP :

http://www.gamespot.com/pc/rpg/middleearthonline/news.html?sid=6164769&mode=previews

Khalathwyr · January 2007

Originally posted by Lastera

Originally posted by Khalathwyr

Originally posted by Lastera

Originally posted by Khalathwyr

Originally posted by xersent

Originally posted by Lastera

Originally posted by xersent

Im in Beta test and all i can really say is.. its a great game there will be alot of shocked people

Please, stop lying. The beta isn't out yet, they are doing a stress test tonight tomorrow. The beta won't be here for a few months, thus, making opinion a complete lie. This goes for every other fanboys who feel need to lie just to justify the game. This is probably the lames and dumbest atttempt I've seen fanboys have made to make the game look good.

See you dont know the facts so dont open your mouth

http://mmorpg.com/gamelist.cfm/thread/112753 ( Thanks to End_of_an_Era, here is their thread on these forums that links to a UK Gamespot preview/interview regarding Player vs Monster Player combat which certainly isn't Monster Rancher or Battlegrounds)

The link doesn't work and I got info about PvMP from the official boards. Even they are saying PvMP is a Battlegrounds.

Sorry about the link. You can still find the thread on the first page of these forums. I'm sure the link in that post works as I used it not an hour ago. As for the Battlegrounds reference, I guess there is no right answer. Some people can feel it is like it and others don't. As it is impossible for everyone to feel the exact same way about a feature, both are either right or wrong. *shrug*Are you talking about this link?

http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/92672

From this description, PvMP isn't PvP at all, but it sounds more like PvMP = Horde. Since Turbine didn't add evil factions, they are trying to be slick and adding Monster mission as attempt to add faction, but it's the same thing as playing the Horde from WoW except the gaming experience for opposing faction group is very limited. Wouldn't it make sense to allow players to play those races for free without having to buy them? By this description, PvMP isn't a new idea.

http://uk.gamespot.com/pc/rpg/middleearthonline/news.html?sid=6164769&tag=topslot;title;2&om_act=convert&click=topslot&page=1

That is the review I refer to Lastera. That said, I don't expect this to change your mind in any way as you've made it pretty clear you don't like Turbine and you don't like their games and you don't intend to try it yourself. So...not going to debate you about it. If you ever need factual information about LOTRO I'd be more than happy to help you find it. I just don't feel the need to argue with someone who very clearly bashes a game for the sake of bashing or other personal reasons.

P.S., I understand not liking a game company and I am in the crowd that hates $OE. That said, I just avoid their forums and spend my time on the forums of games I like. *shrug*

Jackdog · January 2007

Originally posted by Harvy

it is not pvmp, it is MPVP ( monster player vs player. ) basicly at lvl 10 you can go PVP on a HUGE freaking map, really HUGE, and you can choose to play as a monster ( of which you can choose 5 different ones ). you get pints you can spend and make him ubber. at lvl 45 - 50 you can enter the MPVP area with your normal character and also PVP. basicly good against bad, but with monsters and normal players. you get quests there, missions, you take over bases ( castles ) raid towns and villages etc. You can play both bad side or good side.
the nice thing about the MPVP is that they ussualy for huge raids, so you mostly pvp with 15 or 20 other players here is a link to a good discription of MPVP :
http://www.gamespot.com/pc/rpg/middleearthonline/news.html?sid=6164769&mode=previews

The monster play sounds pretty impressive, sort of a DAoC ripoff in a weird kind of way. I like the idea that the monsters characters are persistent and can be upgraded though. I was really expecting more of a FPS arrangement. I can see this holding my attention long after the PvE has grown stale so that 200 buck deal is sounding better and better.

Lastera · January 2007

Originally posted by Jackdog

Originally posted by Harvy

it is not pvmp, it is MPVP ( monster player vs player. ) basicly at lvl 10 you can go PVP on a HUGE freaking map, really HUGE, and you can choose to play as a monster ( of which you can choose 5 different ones ). you get pints you can spend and make him ubber. at lvl 45 - 50 you can enter the MPVP area with your normal character and also PVP. basicly good against bad, but with monsters and normal players. you get quests there, missions, you take over bases ( castles ) raid towns and villages etc. You can play both bad side or good side.
the nice thing about the MPVP is that they ussualy for huge raids, so you mostly pvp with 15 or 20 other players here is a link to a good discription of MPVP :
http://www.gamespot.com/pc/rpg/middleearthonline/news.html?sid=6164769&mode=previews

The monster play sounds pretty impressive, sort of a DAoC ripoff in a weird kind of way. ,,,

Apparently, we agree this is idea we've seen before and isn't original.

Lastera · January 2007

Originally posted by Khalathwyr

Originally posted by Lastera

Originally posted by Khalathwyr

Originally posted by Lastera

Originally posted by Khalathwyr

Originally posted by xersent

Originally posted by Lastera

Originally posted by xersent

Im in Beta test and all i can really say is.. its a great game there will be alot of shocked people

Please, stop lying. The beta isn't out yet, they are doing a stress test tonight tomorrow. The beta won't be here for a few months, thus, making opinion a complete lie. This goes for every other fanboys who feel need to lie just to justify the game. This is probably the lames and dumbest atttempt I've seen fanboys have made to make the game look good.

See you dont know the facts so dont open your mouth

http://mmorpg.com/gamelist.cfm/thread/112753 ( Thanks to End_of_an_Era, here is their thread on these forums that links to a UK Gamespot preview/interview regarding Player vs Monster Player combat which certainly isn't Monster Rancher or Battlegrounds)

The link doesn't work and I got info about PvMP from the official boards. Even they are saying PvMP is a Battlegrounds.

Sorry about the link. You can still find the thread on the first page of these forums. I'm sure the link in that post works as I used it not an hour ago. As for the Battlegrounds reference, I guess there is no right answer. Some people can feel it is like it and others don't. As it is impossible for everyone to feel the exact same way about a feature, both are either right or wrong. *shrug*Are you talking about this link?

http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/92672

From this description, PvMP isn't PvP at all, but it sounds more like PvMP = Horde. Since Turbine didn't add evil factions, they are trying to be slick and adding Monster mission as attempt to add faction, but it's the same thing as playing the Horde from WoW except the gaming experience for opposing faction group is very limited. Wouldn't it make sense to allow players to play those races for free without having to buy them? By this description, PvMP isn't a new idea.

http://uk.gamespot.com/pc/rpg/middleearthonline/news.html?sid=6164769&tag=topslot;title;2&om_act=convert&click=topslot&page=1

That is the review I refer to Lastera. That said, I don't expect this to change your mind in any way as you've made it pretty clear you don't like Turbine and you don't like their games and you don't intend to try it yourself.

Please keep your delusion to yourself because I never said that. And your argument about PvMP has fallen apart since both me and Jackdog, despite his interest, have seen this idea before.

mogu13 · January 2007

Originally posted by Lastera

Originally posted by Khalathwyr

Originally posted by Lastera

Originally posted by Khalathwyr

Originally posted by xersent

Originally posted by Lastera

Originally posted by xersent

Im in Beta test and all i can really say is.. its a great game there will be alot of shocked people

Please, stop lying. The beta isn't out yet, they are doing a stress test tonight tomorrow. The beta won't be here for a few months, thus, making opinion a complete lie. This goes for every other fanboys who feel need to lie just to justify the game. This is probably the lames and dumbest atttempt I've seen fanboys have made to make the game look good.

See you dont know the facts so dont open your mouth

http://mmorpg.com/gamelist.cfm/thread/112753 ( Thanks to End_of_an_Era, here is their thread on these forums that links to a UK Gamespot preview/interview regarding Player vs Monster Player combat which certainly isn't Monster Rancher or Battlegrounds)

The link doesn't work and I got info about PvMP from the official boards. Even they are saying PvMP is a Battlegrounds.

Sorry about the link. You can still find the thread on the first page of these forums. I'm sure the link in that post works as I used it not an hour ago. As for the Battlegrounds reference, I guess there is no right answer. Some people can feel it is like it and others don't. As it is impossible for everyone to feel the exact same way about a feature, both are either right or wrong. *shrug* Are you talking about this link?

http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/92672

From this description, PvMP isn't PvP at all, but it sounds more like PvMP = Horde. Since Turbine didn't add evil factions, they are trying to be slick and adding Monster mission as attempt to add faction, but it's the same thing as playing the Horde from WoW except the gaming experience for opposing faction group is very limited. Wouldn't it make sense to allow players to play those races for free without having to buy them? By this description, PvMP isn't a new idea.

Lastera, do you even know why they didnt add evil factions? Because it isn't part of the lore. Have you read the books ( and im not talking about the movies). You didn't often see orcs go "pwn" some Hobbits in the shire. Also playing the evil race as a normal character wouldn't do the books any justice to, considering many of the orc's and other "evil races" only answered to Sauron and were Sauron's slaves. Only "evil race" that might be able to work is the men of the east, or Haridrim.

Lastera · January 2007

Originally posted by mogu13

Originally posted by Lastera

Originally posted by Khalathwyr

Originally posted by Lastera

Originally posted by Khalathwyr

Originally posted by xersent

Originally posted by Lastera

Originally posted by xersent

Im in Beta test and all i can really say is.. its a great game there will be alot of shocked people

Please, stop lying. The beta isn't out yet, they are doing a stress test tonight tomorrow. The beta won't be here for a few months, thus, making opinion a complete lie. This goes for every other fanboys who feel need to lie just to justify the game. This is probably the lames and dumbest atttempt I've seen fanboys have made to make the game look good.

See you dont know the facts so dont open your mouth

http://mmorpg.com/gamelist.cfm/thread/112753 ( Thanks to End_of_an_Era, here is their thread on these forums that links to a UK Gamespot preview/interview regarding Player vs Monster Player combat which certainly isn't Monster Rancher or Battlegrounds)

The link doesn't work and I got info about PvMP from the official boards. Even they are saying PvMP is a Battlegrounds.

Sorry about the link. You can still find the thread on the first page of these forums. I'm sure the link in that post works as I used it not an hour ago. As for the Battlegrounds reference, I guess there is no right answer. Some people can feel it is like it and others don't. As it is impossible for everyone to feel the exact same way about a feature, both are either right or wrong. *shrug* Are you talking about this link?

http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/92672

From this description, PvMP isn't PvP at all, but it sounds more like PvMP = Horde. Since Turbine didn't add evil factions, they are trying to be slick and adding Monster mission as attempt to add faction, but it's the same thing as playing the Horde from WoW except the gaming experience for opposing faction group is very limited. Wouldn't it make sense to allow players to play those races for free without having to buy them? By this description, PvMP isn't a new idea.

Lastera, do you even know why they didnt add evil factions? Because it isn't part of the lore.

So I imagine Aargon was fighting invisible enemies and that Sauron was figment of everyone's imagination.

Have you read the books ( and im not talking about the movies).

I have both the book and the movies.

You didn't often see orcs go "pwn" some Hobbits in the shire. Also playing the evil race as a normal character wouldn't do the books any justice to, considering many of the orc's and other "evil races" only answered to Sauron and were Sauron's slaves. Only "evil race" that might be able to work is the men of the east, or Haridrim.

Wait a minute, it's not okay not to include evil factions, but it's okay for thousands of dwarves, elves human and hobbits to participate in the destruction of the ring. If I'm not mistaken, only 9 people: 2 humans, 1 superhuman, 1 dwarf, 1 elf and 4 hobbits were the only ones who were involved in this journey. And speaking of lore, during this time line, no other hobbit or dwarf parcipating in any of these events. So if you want to talk about doing the books justice then a LotR MMORPG isn't doing it any favors. Keep your fanatic lectures to yourself.

The PvMP is a last minute idea implemented by Turbine they forgot to put in evil factions from the start and that evil was huge factor in this story as was good.

Khalathwyr · January 2007

Originally posted by Lastera

Originally posted by Khalathwyr

Originally posted by Lastera

Originally posted by Khalathwyr

Originally posted by Lastera

Originally posted by Khalathwyr

Originally posted by xersent

Originally posted by Lastera

Originally posted by xersent

Im in Beta test and all i can really say is.. its a great game there will be alot of shocked people

Please, stop lying. The beta isn't out yet, they are doing a stress test tonight tomorrow. The beta won't be here for a few months, thus, making opinion a complete lie. This goes for every other fanboys who feel need to lie just to justify the game. This is probably the lames and dumbest atttempt I've seen fanboys have made to make the game look good.

See you dont know the facts so dont open your mouth

http://mmorpg.com/gamelist.cfm/thread/112753 ( Thanks to End_of_an_Era, here is their thread on these forums that links to a UK Gamespot preview/interview regarding Player vs Monster Player combat which certainly isn't Monster Rancher or Battlegrounds)

The link doesn't work and I got info about PvMP from the official boards. Even they are saying PvMP is a Battlegrounds.

Sorry about the link. You can still find the thread on the first page of these forums. I'm sure the link in that post works as I used it not an hour ago. As for the Battlegrounds reference, I guess there is no right answer. Some people can feel it is like it and others don't. As it is impossible for everyone to feel the exact same way about a feature, both are either right or wrong. *shrug*Are you talking about this link?

http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/92672

From this description, PvMP isn't PvP at all, but it sounds more like PvMP = Horde. Since Turbine didn't add evil factions, they are trying to be slick and adding Monster mission as attempt to add faction, but it's the same thing as playing the Horde from WoW except the gaming experience for opposing faction group is very limited. Wouldn't it make sense to allow players to play those races for free without having to buy them? By this description, PvMP isn't a new idea.

http://uk.gamespot.com/pc/rpg/middleearthonline/news.html?sid=6164769&tag=topslot;title;2&om_act=convert&click=topslot&page=1

That is the review I refer to Lastera. That said, I don't expect this to change your mind in any way as you've made it pretty clear you don't like Turbine and you don't like their games and you don't intend to try it yourself.

Please keep your delusion to yourself because I never said that. And your argument about PvMP has fallen apart since both me and Jackdog, despite his interest, have seen this idea before.

It's no delusion, as somebody like yourself who has talked trash about the game as much as you have that has a normal personality wouldn't waste their money or time on something they continuously bash as you do LOTRO and Turbine. My argument about PvMP hasn't fallen apart. I just consider discussing it with you a waste of my time. There is not a single AAA game out there right now that has PvMP. Period. And having your main character control "pets", which is what you seem to think this is, is far from what it is. But, you aren't in beta, so I don't expect you to know. No worries.

Now, I apologize. I apologize because I said I was done discussing things with you before and I didn't stick to it. This time, I mean it.

Lastera · January 2007

Originally posted by Khalathwyr

Originally posted by Lastera

Originally posted by Khalathwyr

Originally posted by Lastera

Originally posted by Khalathwyr

Originally posted by Lastera

Originally posted by Khalathwyr

Originally posted by xersent

Originally posted by Lastera

Originally posted by xersent

Im in Beta test and all i can really say is.. its a great game there will be alot of shocked people

Please, stop lying. The beta isn't out yet, they are doing a stress test tonight tomorrow. The beta won't be here for a few months, thus, making opinion a complete lie. This goes for every other fanboys who feel need to lie just to justify the game. This is probably the lames and dumbest atttempt I've seen fanboys have made to make the game look good.

See you dont know the facts so dont open your mouth

http://mmorpg.com/gamelist.cfm/thread/112753 ( Thanks to End_of_an_Era, here is their thread on these forums that links to a UK Gamespot preview/interview regarding Player vs Monster Player combat which certainly isn't Monster Rancher or Battlegrounds)

The link doesn't work and I got info about PvMP from the official boards. Even they are saying PvMP is a Battlegrounds.

Sorry about the link. You can still find the thread on the first page of these forums. I'm sure the link in that post works as I used it not an hour ago. As for the Battlegrounds reference, I guess there is no right answer. Some people can feel it is like it and others don't. As it is impossible for everyone to feel the exact same way about a feature, both are either right or wrong. *shrug*Are you talking about this link?

http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/92672

From this description, PvMP isn't PvP at all, but it sounds more like PvMP = Horde. Since Turbine didn't add evil factions, they are trying to be slick and adding Monster mission as attempt to add faction, but it's the same thing as playing the Horde from WoW except the gaming experience for opposing faction group is very limited. Wouldn't it make sense to allow players to play those races for free without having to buy them? By this description, PvMP isn't a new idea.

http://uk.gamespot.com/pc/rpg/middleearthonline/news.html?sid=6164769&tag=topslot;title;2&om_act=convert&click=topslot&page=1

That is the review I refer to Lastera. That said, I don't expect this to change your mind in any way as you've made it pretty clear you don't like Turbine and you don't like their games and you don't intend to try it yourself.

Please keep your delusion to yourself because I never said that. And your argument about PvMP has fallen apart since both me and Jackdog, despite his interest, have seen this idea before.

It's no delusion, as somebody like yourself who has talked trash about the game as much as you have that has a normal personality wouldn't waste their money or time on something they continuously bash as you do LOTRO and Turbine. My argument about PvMP hasn't fallen apart. I just consider discussing it with you a waste of my time. There is not a single AAA game out there right now that has PvMP. Period. And having your main character control "pets", which is what you seem to think this is, is far from what it is. But, you aren't in beta, so I don't expect you to know. No worries.

Now, I apologize. I apologize because I said I was done discussing things with you before and I didn't stick to it. This time, I mean it.

Well I guess it won't hurt for me to say PvMP = Same gameplay different name.

beezee · January 2007

Originally posted by Lastera

Originally posted by mogu13

Originally posted by Lastera

Originally posted by Khalathwyr

Originally posted by Lastera

Originally posted by Khalathwyr

Originally posted by xersent

Originally posted by Lastera

Originally posted by xersent

Im in Beta test and all i can really say is.. its a great game there will be alot of shocked people

Please, stop lying. The beta isn't out yet, they are doing a stress test tonight tomorrow. The beta won't be here for a few months, thus, making opinion a complete lie. This goes for every other fanboys who feel need to lie just to justify the game. This is probably the lames and dumbest atttempt I've seen fanboys have made to make the game look good.

See you dont know the facts so dont open your mouth

http://mmorpg.com/gamelist.cfm/thread/112753 ( Thanks to End_of_an_Era, here is their thread on these forums that links to a UK Gamespot preview/interview regarding Player vs Monster Player combat which certainly isn't Monster Rancher or Battlegrounds)

The link doesn't work and I got info about PvMP from the official boards. Even they are saying PvMP is a Battlegrounds.

Sorry about the link. You can still find the thread on the first page of these forums. I'm sure the link in that post works as I used it not an hour ago. As for the Battlegrounds reference, I guess there is no right answer. Some people can feel it is like it and others don't. As it is impossible for everyone to feel the exact same way about a feature, both are either right or wrong. *shrug* Are you talking about this link?

http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/92672

From this description, PvMP isn't PvP at all, but it sounds more like PvMP = Horde. Since Turbine didn't add evil factions, they are trying to be slick and adding Monster mission as attempt to add faction, but it's the same thing as playing the Horde from WoW except the gaming experience for opposing faction group is very limited. Wouldn't it make sense to allow players to play those races for free without having to buy them? By this description, PvMP isn't a new idea.

Lastera, do you even know why they didnt add evil factions? Because it isn't part of the lore.

So I imagine Aargon was fighting invisible enemies and that Sauron was figment of everyone's imagination.

Have you read the books ( and im not talking about the movies).

I have both the book and the movies.

You didn't often see orcs go "pwn" some Hobbits in the shire. Also playing the evil race as a normal character wouldn't do the books any justice to, considering many of the orc's and other "evil races" only answered to Sauron and were Sauron's slaves. Only "evil race" that might be able to work is the men of the east, or Haridrim.

Wait a minute, it's not okay not to include evil factions, but it's okay for thousands of dwarves, elves human and hobbits to participate in the destruction of the ring. If I'm not mistaken, only 9 people: 2 humans, 1 superhuman, 1 dwarf, 1 elf and 4 hobbits were the only ones who were involved in this journey. And speaking of lore, during this time line, no other hobbit or dwarf parcipating in any of these events. So if you want to talk about doing the books justice then a LotR MMORPG isn't doing it any favors. Keep your fanatic lectures to yourself.

The PvMP is a last minute idea implemented by Turbine they forgot to put in evil factions from the start and that evil was huge factor in this story as was good.

Damn.... What a waste of space...

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